Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I'd say a history of the Christian church is ample proof.

Conversion is conversion. You side stepped the entire issue. Wars don't have to be fought with bombs and guns to be a war...

There is a difference between history and the present.

What do you fear about Christianity?

Conversion is conversion. You side stepped the entire issue. Wars don't have to be fought with bombs and guns to be a war...

That's not the issue, though. I am speaking about war with guns and bombs. In other words, you side stepped the entire issue.

a reply to: MystikMushroom



You are constantly talking about others and how mistaken they are, and you pen a post this hilarious ??

I am saying that you are speaking through the common paradigm presented, and claiming you see that it is in the right to criticize your own surroundings...over the much worse alternatives.

a reply to: ParasuvO

Islam will help us defeat the evil hold of Christianity, and then somehow we will defeat Islam and everything will be better!

LOL yea we liberals want that. That's our goal. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. That kind of thing right?

I think it is important to state that there are many who would consider themselves liberal that do abhor the extremist practices carried out by some muslim minorities.

That said, the second point in the OP does describe, in my view, a growing number of people that delight in championing some very selective causes

2. It makes them feel good. Liberalism is an inherently selfish ideology. It is, as I’ve explained, the worship of the self. Therefore any liberal idea or belief will be adopted primarily to serve the person who holds it. White liberals feel good when they get the opportunity to be knights in shining armor defending brown and black people from the opinions and judgments of other white people. More importantly, it makes them feel morally superior to those other white people, which alleviates some of their white guilt and strokes their ego in the process.

These people seem to start and end with 'me'. Unfortunately it is a growing cultural phenomenon not just in the USA but also in much of the western world. No society can be perfect for every individual, if we are lucky we live with a structure to society that works 75% for us individually with the other 25% not really sitting that well. That's just a reality in a society where people have many differences in faith, opinion, wealth, etc. The extreme liberals crusade seems to be all about making society fit 100% to their own personal beliefs. In other words utterly selfish. They don't seem to care if their personal needs override the needs of others so long as they get what they want. Indeed, they seem willing to break with their own 'principals' to achieve the goal of society fitting perfectly for them. Examples of this include the violence, exclusion and intimidation used on college campuses recently against people who dare disagree with them.

I think their time is soon up though - The majority of good natured, normal, tolerant people tend to be quite docile for a period of time, but poke at them too much and they will coalesce and put an end to the nonsense.

a reply to: ParasuvO

Then it shouldn't be too hard to point one out.

a reply to: UKTruth

Liberalism is inherently selfish? Wow! I'm learning all kinds of new things!! And here I thought working for the common good above the 1% was NOT being selfish. You see, what an education I'm getting here! / sarcasm

"Extreme Liberals" - is that who you think are the selfish ones? I'm just trying to get it straight, because it seems like you might be casting stones here. Defining "extreme liberals" might be a good start, so I know if those stones are aimed at me or not.

Frankly, I'm not into "extreme" ideologies, but then, perhaps it might seem that way to someone who is in their own extreme ideology looking down at me?? Not saying that is you, but I'd like some clarity.

- AB

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I'd say a history of the Christian church is ample proof.

Conversion is conversion. You side stepped the entire issue. Wars don't have to be fought with bombs and guns to be a war...

So are you ready to accept that you are more like the Christians who have converted the West, and that Muslims wish to take you into another realm ???

I get it that you believe you know all the evils out there, and that Islam maybe needs exploration to take us all beyond what we have now....

You really ready to go down that road, it is easy to see , that rebellion against Christianity brings all the inconveniences in modern America to its knees!!!!

Islam will help us defeat the evil hold of Christianity, and then somehow we will defeat Islam and everything will be better!

Granted this wasn't directed at me, but....?!?!?!?

I can't believe you just said that last part...NO ONE THINKS LIKE THAT. Sheesh.

- AB

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: UKTruth

Liberalism is inherently selfish? Wow! I'm learning all kinds of new things!! And here I thought working for the common good above the 1% was NOT being selfish. You see, what an education I'm getting here! / sarcasm

"Extreme Liberals" - is that who you think are the selfish ones? I'm just trying to get it straight, because it seems like you might be casting stones here. Defining "extreme liberals" might be a good start, so I know if those stones are aimed at me or not.

Frankly, I'm not into "extreme" ideologies, but then, perhaps it might seem that way to someone who is in their own extreme ideology looking down at me?? Not saying that is you, but I'd like some clarity.

- AB

I think my post was pretty clear. You should start by reading it again in it's entirety and realising the italic paragraph is from the OP that I was referrfng to. If you can't be bothered to read and comprehend before jumping to a position of possibly being offended and then seeking clarity to see if you are offended or not, then yes, you probably are the type of person I am talking about.

originally posted by: ParasuvO

Islam will help us defeat the evil hold of Christianity, and then somehow we will defeat Islam and everything will be better!

Neither Christian Warriors nor Muslim Radicals will be the down fall of their opposing religious enemies. They both subscribe to a doctrine that teaches them loyalty to their cause till death. So while they may in fact cause the streets to run over in blood from both sides sooner or later the most extreme on both sides will be dead and once down to what's left of their moderate members the battle will subside. The result of course will only be the waste of more lives over inability to see past antiquated dogmatic ideology. Pathetic and sad but that is there choice and I say let them kill each other off if that is what they believe will please their so called Loving Gods.

The only problem I have with these people and their Religious War is their habit of killing the rest of us who don't give a damn about what they believe. If someone wants to die for their beliefs, fine, but they should die for them alone. Let me die for my own beliefs and not yours you inconsiderate selfish POS. Maybe the rest of us have our own beliefs we'd like to live and die for too. Go fight and die for your own beliefs, I won't stop you. Just don't kill others in the process FFS.

All you end times screw balls out there listen up. You want to go live with your saviors and view the world as useless and evil, fine, go then, we don't want you here anymore than you want to be here. But those of us who don't see the earth as simply a waiting room sh*t hole on our way to something better would like to take care of our current home instead of raping her and leaving her a wasteland. It's not even about us in the here an now but our families that come behind us. You'd think that living by a Faith that promotes such massive families it would also mention something about leaving a decent place for your families to live in once your gone.

BTW, only about the first couple sentences were about what you quoted ParasuvO. The rest isn't directed at you personally. I just kinda got on a roll.

a reply to: UKTruth

I did go back and read your post again, you said:

I think it is important to state that there are many who would consider themselves liberal that do abhor the extremist practices carried out by some muslim minorities.

That said, the second point in the OP does describe, in my view, a growing number of people that delight in championing some very selective causes

So in fairness to you, you did give an "out" before discussing and expounding on the dreaded "liberals are selfish" quote. My apologies, I read your post, but by the time I got to the end of it, the liberal bashing part (quoted from the OP and continued in terms of a particular breed of extreme liberal) stuck in my mind more than your opening statement. My mistake. Still, what you are talking about (and rightly so) is extremism.

The word "extreme" can be used wherever "extremism" is found. Thus "extreme" conservatives are "my way or the highway" types too, no? Let's take "liberal" and "conservative" out of the equation all together and just say "extremists of any ilk" are self-righteous, intolerant folks, generally speaking. That would be more accurate in my opinion than dwelling on a particular brand of extremist.

The problem is when one man's normal is another man's extreme.

That's why I wanted a clearer definition of "extreme liberal" because it seems one could move the goal-posts on that depending on where one started from. One person's "woman working for equal pay" is another person's "evil radical liberal feminist," for example. Or one person's "responsible fiscal conservative trying to reign in spending" is another's "evil social-darwinist 1% lover." See?

- AB

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There is a double standard in America in my opinion

originally posted by: AnonymousMoose
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There is a double standard in America in my opinion

What double standard are you talking about??

a reply to: Metallicus

Glenn Beck the owner of theblaze. He is a fanatical Christian extremist. A staunch Christian who despise Islam and all kind of Muslims (even-moderate). Taking that sh*tty website as your source of argument is F****** pathetic.

Thank you for your irrelevant opinion!

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Or maybe it's because if there is some Christian who's talking sh*t somewhere it's most likely a Right Winger Christian who's doing it.

We all know Christians are both Right and Left wingers. Both Conservative and Liberal. But I'll be damned if I can think of a Left Wing Liberal Christian who's openly and loudly talking sh*t while wearing the label of Left Wing Liberal Christian while doing so. On the other hand if it's a so called Christian who's shouting about something and making a public spectacle of themselves you can bet it's a Christian who's also a Conservative who loves to tell everyone just how conservative and Christian they are while ranting about whatever.

I don't know why that is. I know Liberal Christians exist. They just don't seem to be wearing that label when making noise maybe. Or they don't try and represent an entire religion when they speak perhaps. I really don't know. Or maybe I'm missing something or just haven't seen it myself yet.

Clearly there are outspoken liberals out there making their own noise. Just not many noisy liberal christians for some reason. Or are there examples out there that I've not seen???

You give a pretty good example of what you are asking me for an example of, minus the Christian part, assuming you aren't one.
A much better agenda would be to demand accountability to EVERYONE regardless of stereotype, MSM monikers of the day, or anything else that tries to hide itself into obscurity by using the opposing side as a shield which attempts to hide all those things they heap on others from being seen as the very clothes they wear without even laundering them once in awhile.
Of course you aren't doing that, but think of the personal improvement that could be gained if you demanded that very accountability in those you might have been seeing as part of your team, and stopped helping the unaccountable on all sides. You would be helping not just yourself, but you would even improve the world itself.

The reason this only barely ever happens is because of egos and personal plausible deniability syndrome.. (My own coined phrase) Cool huh? Remember both sides and all sides do it. Lets begin by not being any of them.

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: Metallicus

Glenn Beck the owner of theblaze. He is a fanatical Christian extremist. A staunch Christian who despise Islam and all kind of Muslims (even-moderate). Taking that sh*tty website as your source of argument is F****** pathetic.

Thank you for your irrelevant opinion!

He's also a lunatic who appears to be going through some kind of breakdown on air. You should have seen him after Obama was re-elected. Wonderful to watch as he realised that the Romneybot had screwed up.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I'm not an example at all of what I'm asking you. One, like you already figured out I'm not Religious. 2, I'm not a radical liberal by any means. I may be a liberal in some ways but I'm not at all radical by any means. I wasn't trying to make any side or religion into a target either. I was being serious about the fact that I don't know of anyone who could be classified as a Radical Liberal Christian. Radical Liberal, yes. Liberal Christian, yes. Radical Christian, yes. But all three, can't do it. That doesn't mean they don't exist. I just don't know of any I can think of that's all.

Other than that I totally agree with what you're saying. I am also trying to do just that as well even though it doesn't always work out that way. As I'm sure you know things can get out of hand real quick and without warning sometimes even when you don't want it to. But I do try and I am getting better at it. Problem is that I also like to counter punch too and I'm pretty good at it most of the time. It's hard to resist being baited into a situation sometimes. But like I said, I'm am working on it.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: tothetenthpower

No person of sound mind, liberal or conservative, support 'Radical Islam'.

Then why have we been arming 'terrorists' for over 40 years.

Ya know that saying 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' crap.

The irony is I believe that is an arabic saying.

That would be your conservative and liberal governments Neo.

I don't know why they've done it. They certainly haven't been of sound mind, I bet even you can agree with me on that.

~Tenth

a reply to: mekhanics

Ad hominem, or in other words, poor and fallacious reasoning.

Speaking of pathetic.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

He's kinda right though......Glenn Beck???

a reply to: Prezbo369

If someone wants to argue that Glen Beck owns The Blaze, he might have a point.

But because Glen Beck owns the Blaze, and even if glen beck himself penned it in the blood of tortured animals, doesn't make what was written wrong, invalid, irrelevant, or pathetic.

Don't you guys hold any standards of thinking?