Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Nothing. People who actually defend Muslims, for instance Western countries opening their borders to fleeing Muslims, for instance myself, whom I am very very proud to admit has helped sponsor a family of six Syrian refugees to reunite with their family in my hometown, and has been helping footing their bills since, are helping Muslims. Those who think they are defending Muslims by referring to a generic and abstract group of people in their head, for purely political reasons, are not actually defending Muslims at all—they are only defending their own politics.

Abstract you say? I almost married a Muslim. I've had Muslim friends, co workers, neighbors - none of them were as you describe them here:

You would think that a liberal-mindset would oppose a religion that condemns freedom of religion and freedom of speech, that mistreats minorities, homosexuals and women, but the rhetoric coming out of the left is nothing short of Islamic advocacy.

You're a hypocrite Les. You want to deny another entire group of people any sort of legitimacy - it's all about you being the voice of reason? You could have simply agreed with me - but you can't - can you?

If you mean to help them - then help them. Don't spend your time playing up to the other side. Your words make it just that much harder for that family you're trying to help to integrate. Your words are setting them up for nothing but misery

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Abstract you say? I almost married a Muslim. I've had Muslim friends, co workers, neighbors - none of them were as you describe them here:

It's in the tenants of their religion. It's in their doctrines. They're not that way because western principles have eroded their Islamism, like it always has.

You're a hypocrite Les. You want to deny another entire group of people any sort of legitimacy - it's all about you being the voice of reason? You could have simply agreed with me - but you can't - can you?

If you mean to help them - then help them. Don't spend your time playing up to the other side. Your words make it just that much harder for that family you're trying to help to integrate. Your words are setting them up for nothing but misery

I disagree with you, that's why. I despise your name-calling, your implication that one is racist, a bigot, and your all-round methodology. I would never agree to that. This is exactly why I, and many others, criticize the left. It is exactly this attitude which is pushing moderates towards the extreme-right, because the extreme-right takes no issue with being called racists and bigots. It is this attitude that makes your man Trump so popular.

I have conservative values like I have liberal values, and I will defend them all.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Metallicus

Shouldn’t liberalism hate Islam at least as much as it hates Christianity?

One would think but what it boils down to is this.

Muslims voted for Democrats.

Christians vote for Republicans.

This is why liberals defend Islam.

Sadly for your little hate-fest here, 80% of US Muslims voted for Dubya in 2000. Yes, that figure has plummeted in recent elections after the moronic invasion of Iraq, but the fact remains that Muslims used to be a safe lock for the GOP. And Liberals tend to defend Islam because of a dislike of seeing people tarred with the same brush as a small group of lunatics. It's like blaming all Catholics for the actions of the IRA.

People see what they want in a religion they have a bias against.

If you're a Christian, you probably think the accusations by atheists are untrue and misrepresentations.

And I have to wonder why so many people convert to Islam if it's such a horrible religion. I also wonder if Christians are freaked out by Islam because of how fast it seems to spread.

Islam seems to compete with Christianity, so its no wonder they both throw stones at one another. It's hard to believe anything from either camp these days, as each side will say whatever they want to demonize the other.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

It's like blaming all Catholics for the actions of the IRA.

Oh is that anything like blaming ALL gun owners for the actions of 'mass shootings'

Or is it like blaming ALL bankers for the actions of the Maddoffs.

Or is it like blaming ALL corporations for the actions of Monstanto.

Glass house.

GLASS HOUSE.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I despise your name-calling, your implication that one is racist, a bigot, and your all-round methodology.

Did I call you a name? I don't think I did actually - but I asked you a lot of sincere questions which you never seem to want to answer. I'm not too keen on your trying to pretend you haven't said what you've said

There is bigotry towards Muslims. Your own anti-Muslim posts are what got me into this thread

It is exactly this attitude which is pushing moderates towards the extreme-right, because the extreme-right takes no issue with being called racists and bigots. It is this attitude that makes your man Trump so popular.

Funny - you can lead a horse to water - and then you can make them drink?

I'll defend my values too Les. If that means I call a bigot a bigot - so be it

If you want to defend bigotry by trying to pretend it doesn't exist - there really is nothing left to say

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

It's like blaming all Catholics for the actions of the IRA.

Oh is that anything like blaming ALL gun owners for the actions of 'mass shootings'

Or is it like blaming ALL bankers for the actions of the Maddoffs.

Or is it like blaming ALL corporations for the actions of Monstanto.

Glass house.

GLASS HOUSE.

No one is blaming ALL of those people in the groups you listed. That's just your hyperbole tactic you use when you can't actually address the issue at hand.

You guys need to stop being drama queens and finally admit that you are wrong.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

Sadly for your little hate-fest here, 80% of US Muslims voted for Dubya in 2000.

And what a difference a decade makes !!!

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 11/9/2012) -- The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation's largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today released the results of an informal exit poll indicating that more than 85 percent of American Muslim voters picked President Obama in Tuesday's election

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

It's like blaming all Catholics for the actions of the IRA.

Oh is that anything like blaming ALL gun owners for the actions of 'mass shootings'

Or is it like blaming ALL bankers for the actions of the Maddoffs.

Or is it like blaming ALL corporations for the actions of Monstanto.

Glass house.

GLASS HOUSE.

Oh FFS. Congratulations on continuing to see the world purely in terms of black and white. There seems to be no grey in your world. Little understanding as well. No, liberals don't blame all gun owners for the actions of a small number of lunatics. But speaking for myself I see nothing wrong with more checks to make sure that said lunatics don't get their hands on guns. I don't blame bankers for the global crash of 2008 (that had nothing to do with Madoff) but I do want to see more regulation to stop further financial insanity. And hell yes I want to see Monsanto go away. They haven't thought through their product.
Two last things. No caps please, no shouting, we aren't in a playground. And I also note that you fail to mention my voting figures. I wonder why?

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Did I call you a name? I don't think I did actually - but I asked you a lot of sincere questions which you never seem to want to answer. I'm not too keen on your trying to pretend you haven't said what you've said

There is bigotry towards Muslims. Your own anti-Muslim posts are what got me into this thread

You called me lame, cowardly, and lazy earlier in this thread. You've called me bigot and anti-Muslim. This is playground politics and just look at you go.

I've answered every one of your questions. We should add insincerity to another one of your tactics.

If you want to defend bigotry by trying to pretend it doesn't exist - there really is nothing left to say

See? Imply people who disagree with you are bigots. At what point have I defended bigotry? No where. You have nothing, no argument except that we shouldn't speak in generalizations. You've never had a foot in this discussion.

a reply to: xuenchen

Starting wars in the ME and having an entire political party, and their propaganda media outlets, focus their hatred on Muslims may have had repercussions. Going from 80% Bush to 85% Obama means the Republican party shot themselves in the foot with their own hatred.

a reply to: introvert

No one is blaming ALL of those people in the groups you listed. That's just your hyperbole tactic you use when you can't actually address the issue at hand.

You guys need to stop being drama queens and finally admit that you are wrong.

It's exhausting, isn't it?

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

Sadly for your little hate-fest here, 80% of US Muslims voted for Dubya in 2000.

And what a difference a decade makes !!!

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 11/9/2012) -- The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation's largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today released the results of an informal exit poll indicating that more than 85 percent of American Muslim voters picked President Obama in Tuesday's election

Yes, you have to give credit where credit's due - when Dubya did something stupid as President, he didn't do it by halves!

after 17 pages, the title is still nonsense.

originally posted by: jimmyx
after 17 pages, the title is still nonsense.

This entire ordeal is nonsense. This article is nothing more than propaganda and bull#, and it appears that many on ATS continue to spread other people's propaganda because it fits their political desires.

a reply to: introvert

No one is blaming ALL of those people in the groups you listed.

I seem to recall someone saying they were 'pro second' and supports gun control.

So YEAH THEY ARE.

Gonna make me link it ?

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

No one is blaming ALL of those people in the groups you listed.

I seem to recall someone saying they were 'pro second' and supports gun control.

So YEAH THEY ARE.

Gonna make me link it ?

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Well this makes no sense. Do you really fail to understand the nuances behind the Second Amendment?

Yeah this doesn't make SENSE.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

After ALL all gun owners are responsible for the actions of the FEW.

But the 'pros' sing a different tune when it comes to other things.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

No one is blaming ALL of those people in the groups you listed.

I seem to recall someone saying they were 'pro second' and supports gun control.

So YEAH THEY ARE.

Gonna make me link it ?

I've said something along those lines, but to put it in proper context is outside of this topic.

Again, you are purposely using red herrings to obfuscate the real issue here. And you also also playing the victim card.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ideology can blow me. It's boring. Like Football, or religion.

But some people can't live unless they are sporting team colors, spouting team propaganda and rooting for their "team" to "dominate" the other guys. Good for you! With any luck we'll soon find a technological solution to the problem and all the "red versus blue" a-holes can disappear into their own alternate "timeline" or universe. Hopefully one where gray aliens eat human brains and Australia is in the wrong place on the map.

You may say I'm a dreamer....