Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

a reply to: THEatsking

Is gun violence fake? Mass shootings of 4 or more don't happen?

Pretty much.

Women are equal to men in society?

Show me a Republican that believes in have to have five witness's to prove rape, and marries kids.

Global warming is more or less a fact, so that really doesn't even warrant a response.

No kidding since it has been in a perpetual state of motion for over 5 billion years. Then along comes the church of climatology. That says' We need new taxes, and more regulations to stop it from Changing.' And the icing on top push a technology that DEPENDS on the climate to WORK!

Liberals are priceless let me tell you.

First to cast the first stone.

Such a shame they live in one ginormous glass house.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

This whole thread is about you, the leftist who has crawled into bed with Islam, who holds standards for Christians that you will not hold for Muslims.

If you never said another word - this would be enough to make my case

Which religion did the people who attacked Paris with machine guns and explosives practice?

Which religion does Boko Haram practice?

Which religion does ISIS practice?

Then again...

What else besides their religion connects these people?

What indeed. That's not a discussion you and I could ever have Les - you won't permit it

You don't see all Muslims as being bad? But their faith is?

:-)

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Even now you cannot answer the questions.

Why?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I do not support trump, which I explicitly stated to you, and which you explicitly ignored. I defend Trump from your hate, your tendency to label people as evil for what they say; that's it.

You say the same things he says - and you say them in a similar way

You just use bigger words than he does :-)

Last week liberals were really just facists in disguise, this week we are Isis hugging jihadi sympathisers. Why are conservatives so bent out of shape at the moment.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Sure. What have I said that Trump has said?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MystikMushroom

It's arguably not even the same religion anymore when radicals have twisted it, allowing unspeakable acts of violence in its name.

It is the same religion.

That's all you'e got? *chuckles*

Then I suppose the KKK and Neo-Nazi's who burn crosses are "Christians" too?

Personally, I don' consider their brand of Christianity, Christian -- but I suppose you'd wrap them in Christianity?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Even now you cannot answer the questions.

Why?

You mean those weren't rhetorical?

Gawd Les - give me a break... Islam

Now - what is it you have against liberals defending Muslims?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

That's all you'e got? *chuckles*

Then I suppose the KKK and Neo-Nazi's who burn crosses are "Christians" too?

Personally, I don' consider their brand of Christianity, Christian -- but I suppose you'd wrap them in Christianity?

On what authority exactly can you tell someone what religion they are or aren't?

Anyone who believes Muhammed's revelations, the Quran, and practices Islam, is a Muslim. Are they not?

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Why are conservatives so bent out of shape at the moment.

They're losing traction - slippery slope?

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Islam

There we go. Thank you. They are Muslim.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

Because Christians respect the rule of law of the land.

Are you implying that Muslims don't?? Are you implying that All Muslims believe the same as Radical Muslims believe???

Because what I see is that Some Christians respect the rule of law, some don't. Just like some Muslims respect the rule of law, some don't.

You mean something like this:
en.wikipedia.org - Application of sharia law by country...

These countries implement different amounts of Sharia, meaning different amounts of extremism. But I've also read some of the countries with secular systems accompanying sharia, that the majority of muslims there tend to favor sharia law being implemented more fully. But because the ruling authority is secular, it doesn't happen--like Malaysia.

Here's some pew research:
www.pewforum.org - Chapter 1: Beliefs About Sharia...

EDIT: Note that generally it's not agreed what sharia is even though many agree sharia can be interpreted one way. And in many of those countries with high numbers of muslims, the muslims don't necessarily support the most extreme versions of Sharia. In fact, in the wiki link I give above, few countries are extreme Sharia. Iran is an example of extreme.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I've seen it before...there's a lot of pressure to conform...

This is not unique to Republicans or Christians.
In fact what you described is probably one of the biggest reasons people have concerns with Islam.

The mandatory conformity factor, in some areas and with certain groups.

For many it is not just the the social stigma of being outside the nexus, without friends. It is the possibility of being outside with those that used to be your friends, throwing stones at you.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

There we go. Thank you. They are Muslim.

Exactly - I never said they weren't. If you ever read what I was saying - ever - you would have known by now that I (and most liberals) am not apologizing for extremism. But you won't have it - you can't - because then you'd have to agree with the left - and admit that all Muslims are not extremists

They are Muslim - the same way that certain groups of violent, bigoted Christians call themselves Christian

Why is this so hard for you to concede??

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Why is this so hard for you to concede??

Because I never stated anything of the sort. Islam is what justifies Muslims to strap bombs to 11-year old girls. Islam is what drives Muslims to shoot people for drawing a cartoon. Why am I not allowed to criticize this, yet I would be getting applause if I was to do the same with Christians and conservatives, which I've done plenty of times.

That's odd. I'm fairly liberal and I don't romanticize or admire Islam. I don't romanticize or admire any organized religion. I do find the condemnation of an entire group of people, numbering in the hundreds of millions, based on the actions of an incredibly small number to be pathetic and sad, but that's been the trend in America forever.

My buddy Nabil is a great guy. Saves the lives of fellow Americans every day in surgery. He is a Muslim and follows Islam. Am I supposed to hate him now, based on extremists? Should I equally hate my Christian neighbors based on the actions of a relatively small number of extremists who bombed abortion clinics?

Should I continue to hate my Japanese neighbors for Pearl Harbor?

Should I hate my black friends because of rioters in Missouri?

Sorry, but I just don't have room in my life for that much hate and misery, when there is so much joy and fun I could be having with these fine people instead. And I don't give two Sh%#$ what any of their religious beliefs are.

I'm fairly liberal, and I don't define people based on their political or religious views.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

and how a kind of cult of religious personality can in the end assume complete control

That is what religion is.

Some guy or gal convinces enough people that they are special, and a direct conduit to a God entity. These people believe him/her, fear her/him, follow her/him, and then spread those beliefs to their children, and anyone else they can get to believe the story. You end up with massive amounts of people passing off the stories as fact and truth.

It worked back in the day and it works now. Look at the number of people sending off their hard earned dollars to some fake that gets on the Internet, TV or radio and cons people into believing they are communicating with, God, Aliens, Angels........

I thought prophecy said that man would become smarter.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I would be getting applause if I was to do the same with Christians and conservatives, which I've done plenty of times.

And that's fine, unless you were using very specific strokes in those comments, while issuing a blanket statement for Muslims.

That's probably what people have taken issue with. Personally, I know enough Muslims to not be afraid of them, be they moderate or orthodox (which doesn't mean radical mind you) and I will call out people who make blanket statements against folk as a means to drive a political or fear based agenda.

Not that I am accusing you of that.

~Tenth

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Because I never stated anything of the sort. Islam is what justifies Muslims to strap bombs to 11-year old girls. Islam is what drives Muslims to shoot people for drawing a cartoon. Why am I not allowed to criticize this, yet I would be getting applause if I was to do the same with Christians and conservatives, which I've done plenty of times.

You've been saying all along that this is Islamic. All these atrocities are Islamic - according to you

All of these things are done by Muslims - you repeat this over and over. The left apologizes for atrocities? You know very well that people are simply trying to protect innocent people that are not these monsters from - another kind of monster...

You know this is human nature - but you call it Islam. Why?

You know that the root of all this is not religion - religion is a tool. But you make it about all of these people - even the peaceful, decent people who are victims of the same monsters

You know that by lumping all Muslims together that you're setting them up for hardships and pain which you cannot possibly defend - but you'll never meet those people - never suffer their fate - never have to look them in the eye

Your words have power - they have influence - and you're sitting here arguing with me about my willingness to defend them - from you? You want to tar and feather an entire people with the same broad brush - and then punish the people that would dare to try and protect them from the consequences of your words?

Maybe this would be a good place for you to try and explain how words have no power

Your silence will be as good as an answer - at least to me...but I'll ask again:

What have you got against people defending Muslims?

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

What have you got against people defending Muslims?

Nothing. People who actually defend Muslims, for instance Western countries opening their borders to fleeing Muslims, for instance myself, whom I am very very proud to admit has helped sponsor a family of six Syrian refugees to reunite with their family in my hometown, and has been helping footing their bills since, are helping Muslims. Those who think they are defending Muslims by referring to a generic and abstract group of people in their head, for purely political reasons, are not actually defending Muslims at all—they are only defending their own politics.