Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

a reply to: eluryh22

It is also true that Muslims should denounce those that perform atrocities in the name of Islam... and here in lies the difference in the state of global affairs.

Many do, many die for it, many flee their homelands either because they have done so or they wish to do so without threat of life. Many try to overthrow their own Theological governments, many attempt to take part in cultural revolutions. I can only imagine that it becomes infinitely harder trying to avoid your own government while dodging bombs and bullets from Western military's.

Can you tell me where the Left doesn't criticize the Taliban, Saudi Arabia, Iranian Theocracy?

Can you tell me what we are supposed to do to promote equality in foreign countries? Support bombing them? See above.

Can you tell me how rejecting hatred of Islam equates to condoning inequality?

We live in a complex world, either/or thinking is far too simple.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Deflection wrapped in more generalization. Why is it you can't respond to posts directly? You running for office?

I do stand by what I said. At no point was I, like you and others in here, attempting to speak about anyone else. I was speaking about Muslims and Islam. I was speaking about liberals and leftists. I label them as such because that is the labels they themselves choose, and that is what they are.

And it looks like I was right about telegraphing your little generalization argument from the very beginning. We use generalizations in adult conversations. Get over it.

Did you just say something? Anything? Are you seriously trying to tell us that real adults should accuse by generalizing - then run away when we wish to speak specifically?

Sweeping generalizations when you wish to denigrate and accuse - but to analyze a situation and try to decipher what it is we're all really saying is not something you're willing to do...

Did you read the OP - and the original article? I have to ask Les - is this really where you're spending your time and putting your energy these days - The Blaze? You support the OP?

This is where you're at now. Well done. Anti-Muslim, liberal bashing and the Blaze

You'll be supporting Trump before long. Oh - wait...done

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
There's a difference between defending Muslims than defending Islam. Millions of Muslims are secular and moderate. The fact I celebrated Xmas does not make me a Christian

You only ever see or hear a left winger speak in these terms about Christians when they get called on their seemingly contradictory positions.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
When the vocal Christians stop attempting to paint all Muslims as the same as terrorist fundamentalists and stop helping spread the fear I will stop sticking up for people I know and love.
Not sticking up for Islam (as bad as any religion) but the people.
Stop being so afraid Christians and stop attempting to make others afraid.
Why are you all so afraid?.

Even now you have all these broad criticisms of "Christians", but you feel the need to defend Islam against criticism.

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: boymonkey74
When the vocal Christians stop attempting to paint all Muslims as the same as terrorist fundamentalists and stop helping spread the fear I will stop sticking up for people I know and love.
Not sticking up for Islam (as bad as any religion) but the people.
Stop being so afraid Christians and stop attempting to make others afraid.
Why are you all so afraid?.

Even now you have all these broad criticisms of "Christians", but you feel the need to defend Islam against criticism.

That's quite a generalisation of BoyMonkey's position. Oh wait, you're wilfully misunderstanding his position and justifying your own. Never mind!

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Now....what are you going to DO with those facts?

Point out that innocent Muslims are victims of extremism (from different sources), they're fleeing their homelands and the left attempts to defend them and prevent them from being lumped in with the true extremists

There are Muslim extremists, Christian extremists - and secular extremists

Both Muslims and people who are on the leftier end of the spectrum are being heavily criticized - if not out and out attacked

All so that we won't look at the situation for what it really is - extremists are tearing this world apart and forcing us to tear each other apart as a result

a reply to: TheBulk what do you want, for meet to hate a group of people for no reason? To have no sympathy for refugees? Why, would you want that?

a reply to: Metallicus

I rarely star and have never given a flag before, but you deserve them OP. You nailed this on the head.

Maybe it's just me, but I've seen more similarity between extremist Islam and extremist Conservationism. Both feel the need to own your soul, and be damned to hell to anyone who says differently, not part of their group-think isolation.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Oh, so only Muslims that don't act too Muslim. Got it.

a reply to: crudos

Maybe it's just me, but I've seen more similarity between extremist Islam and extremist Conservationism.

Even if we move away from the topic of extremism...it's gotten to the point where you can't use the words conservative or liberal without it being an insult. I know conservatives think all liberals hate conservatism - when really in the end it does boil down to rigid thinking - and extremism. Goes both ways - if I'm being honest

I wonder sometimes if there aren't more than a few Muslims that might be Republicans

Like any group - there's going to be a mix. There are liberal Christians (though here at ATS seems like that might be treated as a hoax). There are going to be both liberal and conservative Muslims...but does it fit the definition of conservatism?

Seriously - way to decimate a potential voting bloc guys

a reply to: Spiramirabilis
I use Conservatism as defined by media outlets like Fox News, and others. But I do agree with your post. Every discussion is immediately polarized for the simple reason that someone disagrees with another. No one (generally speaking) is willing to concede anything, and truth lies supremely on their side, regardless of what facts might say.

originally posted by: crudos
Maybe it's just me, but I've seen more similarity between extremist Islam and extremist Conservationism. Both feel the need to own your soul, and be damned to hell to anyone who says differently, not part of their group-think isolation.

Just to be clear, is that a typo or are you really afraid that people out saving rain forests are after your soul???

Conservatism or Conservationism???

This is where you're at now. Well done. Anti-Muslim, liberal bashing and the Blaze

You'll be supporting Trump before long. Oh - wait...done

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

That's the only argument you have. "Your'e a bigot". "You're anti-muslim". Besides being utterly childish, fantastic, and rude, it's wrong. But that is all you have, and that is the only way you can evade the issue, to paint those who disagree with you as evil. Like the people this thread is about, you would attempt everything to avoid discussing the issue.

"Oh no he used a generalization!"

If I was to ask what religion the people of ISIS are, what religion the Charlie Hebdo attackers were, I wonder what kind if intellectual backflips and fantasy-induced crimes against humanity you can produce, but I'm not going to bother, because at this point I doubt you can say Muslim or Muslims unless it's in a positive context. The OP is proven.

Adults use generalizations, kid.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: crudos
Maybe it's just me, but I've seen more similarity between extremist Islam and extremist Conservationism. Both feel the need to own your soul, and be damned to hell to anyone who says differently, not part of their group-think isolation.

Just to be clear, is that a typo or are you really afraid that people out saving rain forests are after your soul???

Conservatism or Conservationism???

typo, my bad. Waiting for coffee to kick in. Conservatism. I love conservationism.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

Adults use generalizations, kid.

Uh, not really, nor should one strive for generalizing, as it simply reduces any discussion into mush.

Even the left feels this way:

Uh, not really, nor should one strive for generalizing, as it simply reduces any discussion into mush.

a reply to: crudos

Any conversation? Or just some?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

What can I show you to convince you, mojom?

Morning Les. Let's try this from a different angle this time. If you would, explain to me what it is exactly that you would like me to be convinced of???

Not what's wrong with my current position or what you think my current position is, but what you are trying to convince me is true. Just pretend like this is the first time we've discussed this and tell me what you think it is I should believe is true as far as this topic goes.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That's the only argument you have. "Your'e a bigot". "You're anti-muslim". Besides being utterly childish, fantastic, and rude, it's wrong. But that is all you have, and that is the only way you can evade the issue, to paint those who disagree with you as evil. Like the people this thread is about, you would attempt everything to avoid discussing the issue.

That was not a reply to my post - that was just an opportunity for you to play victim. Want to try again?

Why do you need to put words in my mouth? You do read the Blaze - evidently. Am I wrong? You do support the OP - and you do support Trump -his philosophy (if we can call it that) at least

If I was to ask what religion the people of ISIS are, what religion the Charlie Hebdo attackers were, I wonder what kind if intellectual backflips and fantasy-induced crimes against humanity you can produce, but I'm not going to bother, because at this point I doubt you can say Muslim or Muslims unless it's in a positive context. The OP is proven.

Is it possible you don't understand what I'm saying? Or - when your back is against the wall - do you need to do a few intellectually dishonest backflips of your own?

In a way the OP is proven - some of us will make an effort to protect some groups from your oh so grown up generalizations. Because - they are malicious, inaccurate on the whole, and they do a great deal of damage to people you will never have to look in the eye

Adults use generalizations, kid.

:-)

Why do you feel you need to keep saying that?

Worth repeating:

But that is all you have, and that is the only way you can evade the issue, to paint those who disagree with you as evil.