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originally posted by: Bluntone22
The soviet union failed because of the low price of oil in the mid to late 80s. They made a large portion of their economy from exporting oil. They could not afford all their spending. No money, no power.
the one percent run communist countries too and the peon don't have much chance of climbing the ladder.
You better read up real carefully before deciding to favor communism.
The social revolution can be best understood in the context of the relatively long history in Spain of workers' organisation and social struggle. The CNT, which was the major driving force of the collectivisations, had been in existence since 1910 and had 1.5 million members by 1936. The anarchist syndicalist movement had existed in Spain since 1870 and, from its birth to the (partial) realisation of its ultimate ideal during the social revolution, had a history of constant engagement in intense social struggle - "Partial and general strikes, sabotage, public demonstrations, meetings, struggle against strikebreakers.., imprisonment, transportation, trials, uprisings, lock-outs, some attentats"[2]
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: luthier
Communism is great until you put people into the formula. That's where it always fails.
He was saying it was a natural progression of capitilism.
Obviously he was wrong but communism was not supposed to come out of rural, poor, agricultural states.
Communism has never happened according to the philosopher that created it.
Everyone would be paid the same no matter what work they do
harder jobs to do .... would be paid more.
"Everyone would be paid the same no matter what work they do."
"And also it is put in place that harder jobs to do such as building houses, etc would be paid more."
"Essentially a fully communism system with bits of Capitilist ideology ( ie paying more for harder jobs). "
originally posted by: Bluntone22
Communism will always fail because humans don't like being told that they will be a drone in the collective ruled by masters that they will never become.
Do as I say.
That's against the grain of human nature.
originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: luthier
He was saying it was a natural progression of capitilism.
Obviously he was wrong but communism was not supposed to come out of rural, poor, agricultural states.
Communism has never happened according to the philosopher that created it.
Not so fast. Take a look into todays Andalusia, I've linked a good article in my first post.
Communism isn't about Marx and Engels only, it's also about some indigene cultures or anarchist syndicates for that matter.
You don't do anyone a favor here. You could equally talk about the Old Testament only when addressing Christianity, but we both know there is a bit more to that after all.
You really think there didn't happen anything remarkable with regards to communism after Engels walked their thoughts to the printers? Trotzky did a hell of a job developing a clumsy idea further, didn't he? And trotzkism is communism by definition as well, innit?
originally posted by: paraphi
originally posted by: optimisitcplanet
Honestly to me the ideologies of communism suits my taste.
Communism failed, and will continue to fail, because like in all autocratic/dictatorial forms of government personal, social and civil liberties are repressed. The idyll that some people want to achieve - equality for all, and all that - just does not work because human beings are individuals and not robots.
The Soviet Union's failure was due to myriad reasons, not least the unwillingness and pressure from those nations that had been occupied and oppressed for decades under a communist dictatorship.
I thankfully live in a country with faults admittedly, but where I am free to do pretty much anything I like, including living in a community as described by the OP.
Edit to add that the two largest countries that were purportedly "communist" - the Soviet Union and China - were also countries that suffered horrendous death counts from famine, oppression, genocide, doctrinal stupidity and just plain old brutality.
originally posted by: onthedownlow
It has probably been stated, but there is no incentive to work hard. The real incentive is getting payed the same for minimal output. Fail to meet quotas and the administration suffers, so you create work conditions where the workers and their management are leery of eachother. It is easy to see why communism can only deteriorate over time.
Communism failed because it was supposed to happen naturally out of the most modern advanced capitalist state. Not a rural peasant culture.
originally posted by: nonspecific
You would be shot on the first day of the revolution.
personally will not let a few decide what and where I'm best.