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originally posted by: Grimpachi
originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: ElectricFeel
If you knew your family members would be killed for your actions, would you commit the crime?
Many are probably committing the act because their family members were killed.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: SonOfThor
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: neo96
Truth shall always prevail over falsehood in the end.
Here is some TRUTH.
When entire groups get demonized it's perfectly acceptable EXCEPT when it comes to muslims.
By "TRUTH" do you mean the opposite? Or are you absurdly suggesting no one is demonizing Muslims right now?
Now take GUN OWNERS for example that have to ASK the state for permission to exercise their constitutional RIGHTS.
Sure...I will take the San Bernardino GUN OWNERS that killed 14 people for example...they purchased and used those weapons freely under the precise absence of scrutiny and regulations that you and the NRA continue to successfully demand.
Actually those gun owners were given two of the guns via an illegal straw purchase, which is I believe a felony. This also happened in a state with some of the strictest firearms regulations and laws on the books. What other laws would have prevented this?
Whether those laws are sufficiently enforced or if new laws would make a difference is not relevant to the argument.
Neo view is that those laws and regulations themselves should not exist and are tyrannical discrimination toward gun owners. Neo is welcome to correct me if I have misrepresented what he is saying, but he has been pretty consistent in his view that there should be no regulations or restrictions on gun purchasing and transfers.
originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: ElectricFeel
If you knew your family members would be killed for your actions, would you commit the crime?
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: SonOfThor
a reply to: ElectricFeel
1) Where is your evidence that the "majority of mass shooters were white Christian males"? From what I've read many of them leaned more towards atheism or anarchy, or were non-religious.
2) By immediately mentioning the "hundreds of thousands" of gun crime victims following this statement about white males, you are implying that white Christian males are a major source of gun crime. As others have pointed out this is patently false based on FBI data. Most gun crime is a result of gang violence or the war on drugs.
3) You say the far right is demonizing a whole group of people (Muslims) and that "Truth shall prevail over falsehood in the end". Well, the radical left demonizes a whole group of people (legal gun owners) even after mass shootings that are known to be terrorist / jihad inspired events.
If truth is to prevail you would have to acknowledge that the whole Islamaphobia narrative that you fear is exactly what the left does with their hoplophobic, anti-gun narrative.
source
Most mass shooters are white, Christian males. If you want more stats or links, I can provide them.
Legal gun owners should be fine. But so many of their guns end up in the hands of unstable family members and friends. That is one issue that should be solved.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Indigo5
Critics of the 'radical right wing' have EXACTLY ZERO ROOM to talk.
???
I also criticize "Radical Islamists"??...Right along with the "Radical Right Wing" ??? AKA People like Trump that proposes banning all Muslims and targeting and killing the family associated with terrorists.
Kind of bizarre that you are demanding people that criticize radicals must choose one or the other to criticize..
actually that might be the premise of "Radical" thinking.
Corey Lewandowski, Trump's campaign manager, told The Associated Press that the ban would apply to "everybody," including Muslims seeking tourist visas
Last month, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of Trump's rivals for the GOP presidential nomination, introduced a similar proposal that would prevent refugees from obtaining tourist and immigration visas if they are from one of about 30 countries with a "significant jihadist movement."
Fearing a civil liberties backlash and "bad public relations" for the Obama administration, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson refused in early 2014 to end the secret U.S. policy that prohibited immigration officials from reviewing the social media messages of all foreign citizens applying for U.S. visas, according to a former senior department official.
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: Nyiah
If people like Trump can get their way, I have no doubt there is strong potential to make people like Mao, Stalin and Hitler look like wimpy softies regarding "cleansings" of people.
There is a point when rhetoric and desire go too far, and cross over to the Demonic category. One surefire way to do it is to be even less picky & more thorough about who you kill off than your enemy.
So Trump is going to round up all of a certain religion in America and put them in camps and kill them???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
originally posted by: neo96
I have noticed after the last 15 years of the LEFT saying they are better than the RIGHT.
originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
Personally, I would be more concerned with buying into the false "left/right" political paradigm that divides the country and prevents real change from occurring.
The battle is not between right and left; it is between us and them. ~ Dr. Antony Sutton
Domestically, the Illuminati dialectic is mirrored by George Soros who funds the left, and the Koch Brothers who fund and control the right.
Illuminati Banker Unveiled Method of Control
Would-be global rulers cannot physically control six and a half billion humans. Therefore, they must use secrecy and deceit. Keep the human herd ignorant and fighting with each other. Divide and conquer – it’s the oldest tactic in the book. And it’s relatively easy if you control the major academic institutions, the political parties and the major mass media (a mere five multinational corporations with interlocking directorships today control everything we see and hear. Jim Marrs
www.examiner.com...
For far too long, Americans have been told they exist only as members of warring camps—as Republican or Democrat, red state or blue, conservative or liberal, right or left, religious or secular, urban or rural, majority, minority and even minority/majority. It’s no coincidence that we are described by these labels—as if these labels defined us—by elites who alone stand to benefit from the very divisions they promote.
If they can convince the rest of us that we are at each other’s throats, on the verge of civil strife, these elites can make us believe our own neighbors are our enemies and that we have nothing in common but our hatred of each other.
By herding us into these warring camps, by pitting us against one another, these elites can also distract us from the real forces tearing this society apart—the unaccountable, irresponsible political establishment that now presumes to govern in our name, with no concern for anything but its own interests. By sowing these seeds of distrust, they divide and conquer, and for too long, they have succeeded.
Break the Left vs. Right Paradigm
Dr. Sutton believes the "left" versus "right" split is fraudulent and used to control the debate and condition citizens to think along certain lines. Left-wing magazines like the "The Nation" and "The New Republic" and right-wing magazines like "The National Review were "artificially set up." The former were financed by Whitney money while the latter by Buckley. Both are "The Order."
Dr. Sutton states: "Sooner or later people will wake up. First we have to dump the trap of right and left. This is a Hegelian trap to divide and control. The battle is not between right and left; it is between us and them." Similarly, in the international field left and right political structures are artificially constructed and collapsed in the drive for one-world synthesis, i.e. authoritarian socialism controlled by monopoly capital. College textbooks present war and revolution as accidental results of conflicting forces. This is nonsense, says Dr. Sutton. They are created and financed by Wall Street to create a new world order. But you won't read this in history books.
THE BATTLE IS NOT BETWEEN LEFT AND RIGHT
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: neo96
Truth shall always prevail over falsehood in the end.
Here is some TRUTH.
When entire groups get demonized it's perfectly acceptable EXCEPT when it comes to muslims.
By "TRUTH" do you mean the opposite? Or are you absurdly suggesting no one is demonizing Muslims right now?
originally posted by: Sremmos80
originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: ElectricFeel
If you knew your family members would be killed for your actions, would you commit the crime?
Ya sounds like something out of North Korea...
originally posted by: neo96
So how do I feel about Trumps comment about killing terrorist families ?
One the one hand family members PROFIT from the murder their sons commit.
The daughters because property, and get raped, and sold off to child marriages.
The younger brother grows up to be like his brother, or father.
Well I ain't exactly gonna condemn it, but not exactly sure I would support the practice.
I am gonna sit on the fence on that one.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: ElectricFeel
Your right about it not being directed just at Muslims...
I had to correct someone just the other day that turbans are worn by Sikh people, who are not Muslim. The individual made some remark back about how "they're all the same, whatever". They also made a comment about how their skin color is all the same, so that lumps them all together.
Sadly, that kind of attitude is becoming pretty common among people I interact with.
you'll constantly demonize the right and Christians. Hence the reason it was stated that it's ok to demonize some groups except for when they're Muslims.