Man rapes grand-daughter, mom kills her

a reply to: intrptr

I'm focused on you because you continue to disregard the subject matter, while blaming everyone on Earth for what this cretin did rather than him. Stop making excuses and blaming entire countries for everything an Arab does.

Do you not realize that what you are essentially saying is "these people have no free will. They are so unintelligent they fall like rain to the manipulations of other countries with no conscious thought or control over there own behaviors. They are like sheep who respond to commands of people they've never even met".

Stop insulting the people of the ME.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: grainofsand

"Certain, ethnic, cultural, demographics"?

You're the one beating about the Muslim bush, when you're not apologizing for the UKs role in ME affairs.

What has the UK role in the ME to do with a fecking pedophile rapeing a child?

University of Cambridge made a survey two years ago about Honor Killings in Jordan. I used to think that Egypt is one of the islamic countries which has made a great progress towards Human Rights and progress.. but something along the side happened the Arab Spring. I guess old habits and lack of eduacation is reason why there are such a backwards places like this man who attacked a baby and mom who tries to cover up her father´s doing by murdering her child.

Not all progress is a good progress.

Anyway the surver Cambridge university did about honor killings

Participants completed a questionnaire based on researchers’ newly-developed sliding scale of attitudes towards honour killing, asking teenagers to place themselves on the scale in relation to different situations where it may be justified to kill a person. The participants were not allowed to confer while they filled out the surveys.

In total, 33.4% of all respondents either “agreed” or “strongly agreed” with situations depicting honour killings. Boys were more than twice as likely to support honour killings: 46.1% of boys and 22.1% of girls agreed with at least two honour killing situations in the questionnaire.

61% of teenagers from the lowest level of educational background showed supportive attitudes towards honour killing, as opposed to only 21.1% where at least one family member has a university degree.

41.5% of teenagers with a large number of siblings endorsed at least two honour-killing situations, while this was only the case for 26.7% of teens from smaller families.

University of cambridge

I would say honor killing is a social issue.

They moved it here to keep any negative views on Muslims on the dl.


This is truly a sad story, how can anyone do that to a child or anyone for that matter.

a reply to: thesaneone

So do we accuse the intergovernmental organisation 'The Council of Europe' of being Islamaphobes now for this declaration:
Resolution 1327 (2003) of the Council of Europe
coe.int

The Assembly notes that whilst so-called “honour crimes” emanate from cultural and not religious roots and are perpetrated worldwide (mainly in patriarchal societies or communities), the majority of reported cases in Europe have been amongst Muslim or migrant Muslim communities

*Edit*
For the record, I make the reference to Muslims, with a governmental organisation sourced quote, solely in response to your comment raising the question.
I feel I need to make that clear in case a certain emotional member tries to trollishly come out with his lame "Islamaphobia!" lines again.
...all my contributions here are referenced, factual and generally impartial as much as I can be in a discussion about horrific and barbaric practices. If the certain member wishes to present alternative sourced studies or reports while quoting my specific lines he disagrees with then it is more than welcome, I am always open to change my opinion.
That is sensible debate, not childlike soundbites.

How can people be such monsters?

This just happened where I live. The community is in shock. Can we blame this stuff on Mental Illness? Or demonic manipulation?

1 badly injured child and 2 dead children stuffed in a storage locker.
www.krcrtv.com...

originally posted by: misskat1
This just happened where I live. The community is in shock. Can we blame this stuff on Mental Illness? Or demonic manipulation?

That is certainly a horrible and tragic end to young lives. One thing I imagine is certain is we can not blame your local case on local cultural acceptance of 'honour' killing to defend the family name.
Another thing we can be sure of is that the man will not get off lightly in the eyes of tribal justice because he is a man.

Yep, your tragic case is less likely to have barbaric ingrained cultural influences than the case in the OP.

originally posted by: Athetos
Ummmmm no one said anything about Muslims till you did good sir. Nothing about Muslims in the Op only that they where Egyptian.

Yah, just a fringe islama'mama'phobe thread…

Honour killings, basis

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Athetos
Ummmmm no one said anything about Muslims till you did good sir. Nothing about Muslims in the Op only that they where Egyptian.

Yah, just a fringe islama'mama'phobe thread…

Honour killings, basis

Why are you polluting this thread by posting a clearly anti-Islam source?
Nobody else has done that, certainly only reasoned discussion from me using governmental or academic sources.
What exactly is your point? You appear more like a troll with every post, pity.

a reply to: grainofsand

You're right, I troll anti Muslim rhetoric. Besides being bigoted, its dangerous and provocative.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: grainofsand

You're right, I troll anti Muslim rhetoric. Besides being bigoted, its dangerous and provocative.

Oh you really are trolling me now aren't you, quote the anti Muslim rhetoric and argue the specific points you disagree with.
Come on, I thought better of you, reasoned rational discussion and all that, you've been lame so far in this thread.

Stop with the emotional childlike and unfounded assertions and enjoy mature debate, you appear to have an agenda which is not supported or appropriate in this reasoned discussion.
Such silliness is not really welcome either, play like a grown up eh fella.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: grainofsand

You're right, I troll anti Muslim rhetoric. Besides being bigoted, its dangerous and provocative.

Can you show me an "Honor Killiing" by a mother anywhere else in the world ?

Can you show me anywhere else where a man rapes a baby and he is not in jail ?

OP didn't even mention this is a ridiculous Muslim custom that should not be allowed.

Honor Killings....I see no honor what so ever.

a reply to: whyamIhere

Honor Killings....I see no honor what so ever.

Me neither. What I said, top of page two.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: whyamIhere

Can you show me an "Honor Killiing" by a mother anywhere else in the world ?

Murder is murder. Justified by crazies regardless, the world over.

Killers always plead, not guilty. Different cultures have different "justice" If you can call it that, for murder. are you going to start telling me how unbroken the US justice system is, now?

This woman drowned all five of her kids and they let her go…

On January 9, 2006, Yates again entered pleas of not guilty by reason of insanity. On February 1, 2006, she was granted release on bail on the condition that she be admitted to a mental health treatment facility.

Andrea Yates

originally posted by: intrptr
This woman drowned all five of her kids and they let her go

Did she drown her kids because cultural influences regarding family shame outweighed their lives?
...no, didn't think so. Didn't click your link either, just knew your point was pretty irrelevant in this thread.

a reply to: grainofsand

I think the grandfather should be executed by being beaten with the mother (have a robot swing her like a baseball bat repeatedly) until they're both dead. I also think a lot of other things should happen, both to them and anyone who believes victims of rape should be the ones punished, but I just deleted what I was going to write, as I'm fairly certain it not only violated ToS, but also most of the Geneva Conventions.

a reply to: grainofsand
Its pretty sad but thats what primitive humans would do. I took centuries to sort of help a little breed that out in our more modern societies and peoples, and still. Oh ya! Plenty of things going on. But realistically lets look back in history oh lets go back a few hundreds years, in fact not even that 60 or 80 years and you would still see it and not only in those parts of the world. Sacrificing and scapegoating on the altar of convenient mass delusion to rock or appease or hide the so called "shame" is not new. The only difference is now a days and in our more modern western societies that we have turned it into an art form that is a bit less destructive.

Humans for the most part are ingrained social creatures, herd mentality and structure they are more scared to look bad in face of whatever nutty believe, or whatever guy in a special hat that was chosen by mass hysteria or more often then not merely constant bull# which the herd must go along with or it will expose the whole thing for what it is, a whole lot of crapola, and what not. # son! How do you think the whole PC crap works? What do you think its based upon? Our current ridiculous PC stream is basically the evolved form of what your story is about, though in a more widespread refined form to help dilute the nuttiness a bit.

A bit of psychology and history would tell you what will happen in any given situation in those parts of the world and even here in the west...It has been after all monkey flinging poop at monkey for a long while, herd mentality coupled with the tribe mentality, it become more then the red vs blue teams we have in the west, or the political shows on the TV. For them they have and are ingrained in it for ages and ages. So ya looking bad in front of there nutty friends and there crazy wacky believes in invisible men in the sky, or guys in fancy suits and hats, for a great majority of people is much worse then killing there daughters or sons. It is ingrained in them, and you as well, and thats were most humans came from. Stone age to tribes village age to today.

And if you were to look farther you would have found much worse things then this done in the name of social status and social status que for any number of believes or religions or gods or take your pick, because they are there. So yes you should put caps on what you all bring into your countries, not that would make much of a difference, but should help keep the crazy at a minimum.

Good read that article you posted in your reply to me. Some pretty sick and deranged people are mentioned. Sad that they cared about supposed honor or saving face over the lives of their flesh and blood relatives.


I disagree that it's seperate from regular murder as mentioned in your artical, it's murder plain and simple even if the perpetrators think other wise due their faith or delusion.

you partially confuse me as to what your stance on the topic is.


a reply to: intrptr

ATS policy partially confuses me about reasoned discussion in certain circumstances...whatever, my last words for the night.

originally posted by: grainofsand
Link>> Emirates247.com

Now before people start bleating "Racism!" or "Not all ethnic minority people do this!" etc, I AM NOT MAKING THE ASSERTION THAT THEY DO, just that such horrific practices are shockingly more common in non-white-British ethnic groups, and there is clearly a cultural problem which needs addressing somewhere.

We can all agree that what happen, was awfull and a waste of life

Since this has nothing to do with racism, do you mind me asking, is there a difference in killing for honour or killing for money?? Cause in our culture, killing, or doing anything else for money, seems to be a good enough excuse to do horrible things... and if you ever do get caught, we take great pride and might even be rewarded for keeping our mouth shut, dont want others to get caught

So wich is worse?
There dont seem to be a big outrage for the "killing for money" thing, and we certainly dont bomb our own countries for it, but yet i see a lot of posters, practicly ready to go to war, because of "killing for honour"

IMO everytime you harm another human being, its WRONG, no matter what colour, religion or nation you belong to - but lets clean out our own backyard first!