Ksitigarbha, Majestic Earth King of Vajra Freedom

originally posted by: _damon
You confess to yourself, the listeners are irrelevant.

Which is what I said earlier. It does however do nothing to address your actions, just like the feel good karma eraser.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes, killing someone is ultimately illusory, but such a karmically heavy action that it would have countless consequences and would be incredibly hard to purify and let go of.

Hence affecting you and many others negatively for a very long time, and leading to a chain of events that keeps you trapped in the initial negative action and karma.

Unless you manage to purify it and move beyond it, which, like I said, is very hard to do.

However, there are example of people who have killed and managed to escape said karma through intelligence, in some ways, although of course, being unpurified, it usually affected countless aspects of their life afterwards, though they seemed to escape the direct repercussions of the action.

I'm laughing @ "It actually happened". Yes, so?

Moving beyond the fact that happening is still just an appearance of Mind, let's put that aside for a moment.

What if it happened?

How do you want to address the actions of the past. By seeking to fix them with further actions in the present which positively affect the negative consequences of your past action and so on.

Lovely, very well meaning. However, it lacks wisdom and letting go, and it lacks intelligence.

In general, when confronted with a karmic entanglement, trying to play cause and effect with it, no matter how well meaning you are, will just get your ass kicked.

But don't take my word for it, please, go out and get your ass kicked.

In the meantime, other people should internally purify the karma, develop wisdom and compassion, and pursue good actions in the future, which would more than make up for past karma.

Trying to play cause and effect against the grain of time isn't gonna win you any battles.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

And here's a mental trip for you.

What if it is possible to, as you say, windex karma away.

And simply begin from a pure state of presence and potential.

Without being, internally or externally, affected by past actions.

What if those past action, let's say, not as terrible as killing, do try to impinge upon the present, but have no power and no effect. Like a weak breeze. The actual karmic load having been purified, even if others are clinging to said ACTIONS OF THE PAST (***ominous sound effects***), you have let go and are performing actions in the present based on a completely different state of mind and being.

It IS possible, and this kind of "windexing" is very auspicious, and I very much prefer it to clinging.

originally posted by: Fevrier
Yes, killing someone is ultimately illusory...

Well, that does speak volumes about why you think magic erasing your karma fixes things right up.

...but such a karmically heavy action that it would have countless consequences and would be incredibly hard to purify and let go of.

But using your method it is achievable.

In general, when confronted with a karmic entanglement, trying to play cause and effect with it, no matter how well meaning you are, will just get your ass kicked.

But don't take my word for it, please, go out and get your ass kicked.

Well, considering I do not believe in karma, which is just a sweet way of saying 'you have no free will', I am not overly concerned about it kicking my ass.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I feel like it would require too much effort to explain. Whatever past actions you regret, it does only matter because you think so. It does matter IN the society or matrix but NOT outside. Dont you see the mental cage? You address the cause at its root, in your mind,not outside. The illusion of paying your debts off by helping others/repenting/auto mutilating/whatever is IN your mind only.

Performing physical actions as a way to obtain salvation gives the illusion of actually doing something but in truth only helps you of slowly moving along. The actual physical action helps as a catalist to generate an intent strong enough as to remove some of your inner burden but is so slow and inefficient that often it just helps going along with it instead of simply letting it go. If you thought about it for a moment you'd understand that instead of focusing on the outside, you would work on your inside and thus avoid wasting half your life in vain lamentations.

Your choice to stay blind maybe is this part of your karma too? It can be very nasty.

a reply to: Fevrier

I will agree to disagree, we cant be on the same length on this no matter what, but this thread is definitely your castle.

originally posted by: _damon
I feel like it would require too much effort to explain.

If you cannot explain something simply then you really do not understand it well.

The rest reads like more psycho-babble and the whole karma erasure principal sounds like a sad excuse to avoid dealing with your actions.

a reply to: _damon

This is also untrue, just as his view is untrue.

His view clings to cause and effect and performing remedial action, among countless other things.

Your view tries to completely deny karma.

The truth is that whatever karmic burden you bear, unless you are able to purify it and open it up to insight and energy, then it will to a great degree block your meditative work.

So even if you move a million miles away from where you live right now, you would still have to purify your energy channels and consciousness and so on, and deal with whatever comes out, including deep clinging and karmic purging all around you, until you can actually say you have escaped that "illusory karma".

It is illusory in the ultimate sense of being just wisdom mind. But in the sense of being a being, and having to deal with states and reactions and so on, your karma can and does impede a lot of things, and manifests as various inner states and external occurrences, so it takes deep concentration to be able to break/see through it.

originally posted by: Fevrier
This is also untrue, just as his view is untrue.

Oh, boy. Let me get some popcorn ready and watch you two karma experts go at it.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

You do have free will, very much tempered by a myriad body-mind factors.

AKA Karma.

And don't fool yourself, you're not explaining anything, simply or otherwise.

You're just talking about dealing with past actions, which is obviously a great grand theme in your life.

However, this is a topic about ERASING THE # OUT OF KARMA, so goodbye.

So I can continue on being as horrible as I already am, when I please I may erase my karma...

convenient.

Whar do I send my monies?

originally posted by: Fevrier
You do have free will, very much tempered by a myriad body-mind factors.

AKA Karma.

Sorry, my foul-mouthed friend, I do not believe in karma. To even contemplate that there is some sort of cosmic scale that balances out your past actions with your future actions is, for me, comically absurd.

What about notoriety, how do I erase that?

originally posted by: Lysergic
please I may erase my karma...

convenient.

Whar do I send my monies?

I just PM'd you my home address. I promise that after I bilk, erm, I mean help, you I will get my karma erased so it makes it all good.

I may even go to confession too, just to cover my bases.

a reply to: Lysergic

You don't send your monies.

And no, you cannot.

People always try to make things about what they imagine they are.

Try again.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Well to be fair, its a Karma / Notoriety system.

a reply to: Fevrier

I can't erase it?

contrary to:

For anyone wishing to fully erase their karma

I wish to be a horrible person for the rest of my days until about 5 hours until my death.

I wish to "erase my karma" at the end.

I dont see why you are resisting me, its the same idea as accepting Jesus on your deathbed.

I got my backups.

a reply to: Lysergic

Low level humor doesn't help.

Not now, not before death, not after.

Yes, you can fully erase your karma. No, you can't do that while being a horrible person.

Good luck figuring it out.

a reply to: Fevrier

But some how your position void of evidence is more helping?

Seems like you just wanted to create a thread and for everyone to go, OH you're right, so much wisdom.....

Sell it to the next chump.

originally posted by: Fevrier
Low level humor doesn't help.

Not now, not before death, not after.

Does erasing ones karma also take the sense of humor with it? I am even more put off by karma erasing than before. Humor, whatever type, is better for you than pretending that the past is illusory and that you can wipe it all away just by thinking hard enough.

a reply to: Lysergic

No, seems like I don't give a # about helping every funny a-hole.

Those who understand understand.

The rest can make jesus jokes about being horrible.

Like, I said, good luck.