Weaponry for Home Defence in the UK

originally posted by: KingDoey
I have an English Bulldog who is soft as s***e so not much good. Got the standard baseball bat and an air rifle but tbh .22 pellets aren't going to stop much. Crossbow is what I was thinking but not sure which brands/manufacturers are decent.... And the Bic lighter with aerosol reminds me of something we used to do at school!

Cheers

I still recommend stick/ baton with training. Most criminals there would NOT have guns, perhaps knives or a stick/club themselves, but criminals are lazy and most of them wont' have any training. I recommend getting a second dog. If you get the crossbow, make sure you get plenty of training on it, lots of range time and practice loading-shooting-loading fast and under pressure.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
I have a few ideas that i wont share in an open forum. Though Paintball Guns are legal and Frozen paint balls will knock out your teeth and they can go full auto.

Best defence is the UK is a Big Dog or a fat ugly wife.

The criminal element seem to be the ones that already have big dogs and fat ugly wives!

The stumbling block is always going to be what is deemed "reasonable force" by the police, who seem to like to make examples of people using force to protect themselves and their property. I know this from first hand experience.

I'd say the best weapon we could possibly have at this point is Farage.

We've got just under 4 1/2 years to get to work.

originally posted by: wildb

1 can of oil based spray paint and a Bic lighter... substitute road flare for Bic lighter if you are worried about a Bic lighter flame blowing out.

That will land you in jail..

Which one is illegal in the UK, spray paint or road flares?

originally posted by: Britguy

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
I have a few ideas that i wont share in an open forum. Though Paintball Guns are legal and Frozen paint balls will knock out your teeth and they can go full auto.

Best defence is the UK is a Big Dog or a fat ugly wife.

The criminal element seem to be the ones that already have big dogs and fat ugly wives!

The stumbling block is always going to be what is deemed "reasonable force" by the police, who seem to like to make examples of people using force to protect themselves and their property. I know this from first hand experience.

The first thing the police or courts will ask is, Could you have gotten away, Ie, could you have escaped out the back door.
I live on a top floor 60 feet up. The only way i'm escaping from a house intruder is if i sprout wings and fly oot the windows.

You break into my house then anything and everything is fair game as far as i'm concerned. I'll take my chances in front of a jury of my peers.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: KingDoey

I think you can get semi-automatic air rifles. Crossbows are also an option. A decent catapult is also very effective, Black Widow comes to mind.

Crossbows are the way to go Buy it, don't need a licence and can take out a street full of people with the same lethality as a gun. Plus the effect of seeing one of the enemy with a blot straight through the heart will have the rest of the scum on the run. more so than a gun.

Keep a baseball bat behind the door too. Immediate effective device to keep out crims.

a reply to: KingDoey

I recommend looking up a few instructions on how to make your own weapons. I mean, the obvious are already out there (clubs/sticks, knives, crossbow, catapult [my fave]), but there are plenty of things you could make on your own that are cheap and effective.

It sucks that you live somewhere where you have to ask permission to protect you and your family. I don't mind the background check I have to undergo, as that's the only obstacle between me and a firearm (other than a 'class three' weapon) other than the standard questionnaire that lets the shop worker assess if you seem like a loon or not. If I know what I want, I'm in and out in about 5-10 minutes, not counting the free 30min. of range time I get for buying a gun at a few local places.

But that gloating aside, you have to realize and understand that any moveable, throw-able, or striking object near you at any given time is a weapon. Hell, your floor or your wall is a weapon if you use it as something into which you bash an intruders face. If you really want to take home defense seriously and have such a lack of standard options, make sure that you place weapon-like objects in strategic places in rooms all throughout the house, as you never know where or when you will need access to one. This is why I generally have my everyday carry pistol on me, even at home...plus, there's no better place where the kids can't mess with it.

Screw some long screws (or hammer nails, although screws do more damage) through a wooden plunger handle. Keep some metal darts handy to throw at someone. Put some soap (or something else heavy) in a long sock and just beat the crap out of someone with it.

Or have fun with these.

Of course, these are just some thoughts. You'll figure something else...all else fails, just watch "Home Alone."

a reply to: KingDoey

"walking sticks" worked pretty well and i cant think of a place that would ban such things ,get a metal insignia with your name on it or something to give it a bit more damage potential

join a historical re-enactment group (so get some plate and a good practice sword but a legal enough reason to own one) or take up fencing and "collect" a few pointy ones for history reasons.not sure if this would fly but hey its a shot.

get really good at throwing rocks? a middle school friend of mine from the baseball team i was on way back in the day scared off bullies by tagging one in the gut with a good sized rock ,but he was a pitcher so dunno if that would apply to your case

get a book on plumbing and then the biggest pipe wrench you can use effectively ,better then a bat because they tend to have less stigma of a baseball bat for example (baseball bat with no sports equipment looks shady where as a wrench tends to be a wrench)

start collecting antique farm implements they worked for most of our ancestors in a pinch ,hang ye old rusty scythe on the wall until its needed

get a side job chopping wood? or have a fireplace? hatchet to split wood is better then nothing

if you got little ones in the house and would rather not add anything sharp,pointy or bludgeoning tools you could always fortify the crap out of your doors (and home if applicable) so that getting in is delayed as long as possible so you can either form a defense or hope the constables show up

a reply to: amazing

Wasp or other flying insect spray. I keep a can in the entry foyer and one by the bed. Most will spray a distance of 20-30 feet.
Will stop a person in their tracks if sprayed in the eyes and usually requires medical attention for treatment.
I have used this on a pesky bear and a aggressive dog before. It works!

a reply to: KingDoeyI do not live in the UK, but there is a weapon that can be lethal. It can be homemade or bought. All it takes is a couple ball bearing for ammo. Some surgical tubing, and a Y shaped branch from a sturdy tree. I am speaking about a sling shot. Just watch some Youtube video about slingshots. I am convinced they would do the trick for you.

originally posted by: sassymcsnickerson
Wasp or other flying insect spray. I keep a can in the entry foyer and one by the bed. Most will spray a distance of 20-30 feet.
Will stop a person in their tracks if sprayed in the eyes and usually requires medical attention for treatment.
I have used this on a pesky bear and a aggressive dog before. It works!

This is an urban legend.

The active ingredient in wasp spray is pyrethrins. Here's what an Ohio State University bulletin has to say about the affect of pyrethrins on humans: "Because of their low level of toxicity, however, pyrethrins and synthetic pyrethroids usually cause only irritation to the skin and eyes." Source

A good steel frying pan is a recommendation. Very British I'd say.

I reckon it is safer, legally speaking, to "grab the nearest thing that comes to hand" than to have an obviously prepared weapon.
I have inherited my mother's heavy walking sticks, which would do for the purpose.

a reply to: KingDoey

a reply to: KingDoey

A baguette with a iron bar inside!

since the goal of the eu is to ban all guns and therefore make them illegal, you may as well consider buying an illegal gun.
seems the eu is ok with illegal guns because after paris they only went after legal ones.

also i think a nice spear and a big bottle of pepper spray may be a good idea to keep them away from you without going up close.

ps: i also like the idea of setting a spray on fire like a flamethrower.

A good friend of mine, RIP B Mate, Had two gunmen kick his door in. He got a strange phone call moments before the attack, He hung up the phone that's when the door started to get kicked in.

The gunman managed to kick in the bottom panel of the door, One of them PVC doors. The first Gunman was crawling through the busted panel and the only thing B had to hand was a Vacuum cleaner. He cracked the guy over the head with the vacuum cleaner. knocking the gunman for six, he dropped the gun and went to sleep.

His accomplice stuck his hand in the door panel and started blasting, catching B in the shoulder before dragging his dazed and confused gunman partner out the hole in the door and fleeing.

Lesson...Big heavy Dyson beats thugs with guns all day long.

True Story, Google Shooting Wishaw Scotland. There are a few to choose from. at least 6 i know of, including a Grenade attack.

The two suspected Gunmen were found Shot and Burnt a wee while later. B had nothing to do with that, they just got what was coming to them. Nasty POS.

a reply to: KingDoey

Crossbow is what I was thinking

Don't you guys get in quite a bit of trouble for harming a burglar in your home?
Honestly I'd just say a baseball bat, baton, or just "happen" to have a few cans of hair spray sitting throughout the house, although I love the idea of a paintball gun with frozen ammo.

I have several Katana's in my home which are all sharp and owned legally, any intruder is going to see me with one and run a mile.
Yes they aren't a defence from being shot at, but the likelihood of an armed home invasion is pretty low, so it doesn't concern me too much.
Whatever you decide on though, make sure you aren't buying a 'weapon' otherwise it shows a sense of pre-meditation, but as someone posted above, I'd take my chance in court.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: KingDoey

Crossbow is what I was thinking

Don't you guys get in quite a bit of trouble for harming a burglar in your home?
Honestly I'd just say a baseball bat, baton, or just "happen" to have a few cans of hair spray sitting throughout the house, although I love the idea of a paintball gun with frozen ammo.

Yes we can but it depends on the situation.

If you could have escaped but you chose to stay and fight, you could be in deep do do.

Like all things in Law it all depends who's got the best lawyer. Generally the public prosecutor is not the greatest. Not the worst but not the greatest either.

A good seasoned defence lawyer will tear a public prosecutor to ribbons.