Purpose of our existense?

a reply to: Ghost147
The big bang theory is an actual description of total self destruction, and nothing else.

The theory thinks about a removal of all creation to make a statement in the human mind that no thing exists...yet you would never know what a condition exists as with "nothing in it", for how could you when you make considerations as a presence?

You then give yourself the idea that you are the Creator self, making these considerations, which is simply a human misnomer for getting themselves destroyed...as has happened before as archaeological evidence supports.

Big Bang therefore is total destruction and nothing else.

If you asked your own consciousness as to how it considered a big bang, a spiritual awareness circumstance which has already been proven by scientific study determines that it was aware of its own destruction.

So you ask the Big Bang theory, what awareness could you have had of your own destruction.....and it replies, I once knew that I was light.

So the self proclaiming to be a Creator by making the review condition making statements to itself about ownership of all information and status, tells its own self its realization.

So then we came to experience spirit through spiritual witness as manifesting entities both family members...animals...higher light spirits and the lower manifested evil presences......as witness to the condition of our own awareness.

Therefore no human being should ever have considered the Big Bang, for the theory and calculations actually involve the total destruction of all matter and energies that currently exist in the union of our Universe....that is a fact.

Therefore to try to ascertain that light existed before....exploded and formed a new creation, is to ascertain that your own presence came from light and knew by self evidence what it considered...that its own presence had caused the Big Bang.

This is one of the reasons why we know that we came from light.

Therefore the Big Bang theory is fake, as all theory is...formed by artificial reasoning that responds to a condition of ownership of powers, that do not belong to an organic presence. Wanting to own the condition only determines the condition will own you instead......and hence we always get destroyed.

I thought I'd toss in my two cents about God, science and the big bang theory.

First the big bang theory.
The universe was once thought to be a static non-changing space. Science has clearly shown the universe is not static, that it is constantly expanding. The composition of this expansion consists of some known materials like rock, iron, gasses etc. The expansion contains all the masses, energy and elements of all the planets, asteroids, suns, etc and space itself.

If we were to put this expansion into reverse and end up as it all started then it is logical to conclude we would end up with an object of immeasurable density.
We have learned through science that everything comes from something. We cannot fabricate a physical object out of nothing. It all has to start somewhere. Science shows that every physical thing began at a certain origin and is still expanding. Since there can't be something made of nothing then who/what made the original immeasurable ball of density?

What's more is..
There is more than a one in a trillionth chance a particular planet (Stuff from the origin) could end up at a precise distance from a sun which has an output to sustain life on the planet, the planet's atmosphere should be suited to shield the planet to promote life, that the planet have a moon and the two combined create a complex equation to sustain rotation around themselves and a (relatively) clear path of orbit around the sun... etc etc.
There are countless variables which, if changed but by a small margin the planet could not sustain life. That's a major scientific reason that life is not very likely to exist in any other galaxy.

Lets look at fossils, biology and Darwinism.
Darwin made a biological tree. It starts at the base then branches out several times as the various species evolve. It all looks and seems very scientific until you look at the actual science.
If all the time on Earth, since its beginning could be indicated on a 24 hour clock then virtually no signs of life would exist up until about the 21st hour. There was a huge creation of life around the 21 hour mark. The bottom half of Darwin's tree does not exist in any fossilized evidence. The bugs, the dinosaurs, the flying things all appeared around the same time period and the biological changes are not as great as he hypothesized.

So what happened around the 21st hour? Where is the evidence from the bottom half of Darwin's evolutionary tree?
It's my belief that only a superior omnipotent being (God) can create an ever-expanding universe out of nothing, and create the impossible conditions upon a portion of it to sustain life... And then create that life.

The fact that Science is able to prove how certain things work and came to being is not necessarily against the concept of God unless someone chooses to make it so.
I had some other examples of how Science can support the existence of an intelligent omnipotent being (God) but that's enough for now.

Nope. There is no purpose to life at all. Life is just a discovered condition with no reason behind the discovery. Life is nothing more than a prison to the awareness that is capable of understanding that it exists, and as the awareness comes to understand its condition of existing, it also comes to understand that it does not possess the key to its prison...the reason and purpose for its existing.

So the awareness, lacking the key to its prison, invents a mythology, one by which it persuades itself (literally because it lacks the key) it will be set free by some external agency, and abide ever-after in eternal bliss or eternal damnation. What utter self-delusional bunkum!

There are three certainties to life: the knowledge that one exists; the knowledge that one will not exist; and the knowledge that the former two provide, that at some point prior to existing, one did not exist at all. If there is a key to the prison of awareness, then this knowledge is it.

The only purpose you can give to your existence is the 'how' you live it. It is not a test. There is no examination at the end. There is just the same prior total oblivion awareness dissipates into. Life is nothing more than a brief flaring of awareness that is quickly snuffed out.

originally posted by: elysiumfire
Nope. There is no purpose to life at all. Life is just a discovered condition with no reason behind the discovery. Life is nothing more than a prison to the awareness that is capable of understanding that it exists, and as the awareness comes to understand its condition of existing, it also comes to understand that it does not possess the key to its prison...the reason and purpose for its existing.

So the awareness, lacking the key to its prison, invents a mythology, one by which it persuades itself (literally because it lacks the key) it will be set free by some external agency, and abide ever-after in eternal bliss or eternal damnation. What utter self-delusional bunkum!

There are three certainties to life: the knowledge that one exists; the knowledge that one will not exist; and the knowledge that the former two provide, that at some point prior to existing, one did not exist at all. If there is a key to the prison of awareness, then this knowledge is it.

The only purpose you can give to your existence is the 'how' you live it. It is not a test. There is no examination at the end. There is just the same prior total oblivion awareness dissipates into. Life is nothing more than a brief flaring of awareness that is quickly snuffed out.

You imply that a theory is the basis of reasoning.

You are wrong.....we have experience that is the teaching methodology of life.

A human being demonstrates via its own mind state that it can consider information regarding powers greater than itself...how is the reason, that imposed a theory by a theorist who has no spiritual experience.

The experience of life was considered spiritual because of self experience, not because of a theory.

The theory imposed upon our life was given to us by our ancient brother who took somatic drugs and went on brain trips involving different chemical wavelength/vibration interactions with his own mind. The drugs he took came from plants and this is how he discovered other forms of information that he called spirit...or a spirit journey.

This fact has already been studied by occult scientists, as to the reasoning for ancient wisdom regarding spiritual factors...how a human being was aware of huge power and powerful interations enabling them to own a condition they called science and invention.

Therefore we are a natural being that once existed in a natural state. Science took our minds away from our natural spiritual awareness because science considered change and huge powers that increased the amount of radiation on Earth...and it attacked us.

We were then conditioned to be different thinking beings and consider the ancient spiritual information from a different mind state...for radiation mutated our brain/mind chemical reactions because our brother considered spiritual information of the "burnt plant matter".

This is why his own ancient spiritual information speaks about the condition of wood....the burnt spirit condition of Nature.

He therefore took our evolved status of spiritual awareness into a de-evolved status when he introduced invention and ancient science as an occult practice.

How do we know who we are? Self experience....witnessing spirits manifesting, animal spirits manifesting and human spirits manifesting.....and then we also witnessed evil spirits manifesting when we changed the holiness of our atmospheric condition by the introduction of evil itself....science and converting practices involving increased radiation.

This is why we know about spirit and that we always knew that we existed before life and before great powers, just as we exist after our physical communicated spirit dies.

We know that we came from the same light that created the great powers in the Universe.

We know this fact for our spirit became a lower light sound that manifested into an organic body mainly of oxygen and water.

This is why we know the atmosphere is holy, for its holy presence saved our own spirit from being totally destroyed, when we caused the creation itself.

It is why our consciousness expresses the information that it does....proving to its own person that it is aware of its own status....that of the cause or spirit Creator self.

Therefore our higher androgynous spirit communicates to the spirit that we created for our own self out of the light of our own presence....the same light body that released origin light that O formed all suns and planets.

We also know that we destroyed origin O creation, for our own consciousness told the story of its corruption as the UFO war condition....released light by burning the light.

We therefore know who we are and what purpose we had....to keep the holiness of our atmosphere holy, by not burning it....for when we burn it it forms evil UFO bodies and evil spirit manifestations that attack us. Therefore we do know our own purpose and always have.

We are here to glorfy God

But almost everyone glorifys themselves

originally posted by: piney
We are here to glorfy God

But almost everyone glorifys themselves

We are here by our own advice...a mistake was made in origin light that caused creation.

God is a human implied male concept considering Satan...for the ancient science occultism was to consider Satan for the purpose of self invention.

God is simply another concept that the male considered was holy...yet it proves it is not, which is why so many humans have contested the spiritual interpreted teachings.

God destroys as the PHI information states, for it is the Creator of Satan...and Satan is the conjured evil spirit that attacks the natural chemical relationships on Earth created by GOD and also attacks human life by manifested evil presence....also proven by ancient attacks on life.

God as a consideration is only holy when a human being does not imply their purpose is to own God.

God is only holy on a piece of paper and when you speak in philosophy as a wisdom without application.

As soon as your own person implies that it knows the power of God, it only knows the destruction of Satan, already proven to the human male who caused it before.

beenharmed:

You imply that a theory is the basis of reasoning.

No. You do. I imply nothing.

...we have experience that is the teaching methodology of life.

Agree.

A human being demonstrates via its own mind state that it can consider information regarding powers greater than itself...

Not by any stretch of the imagination (and it is only an imagining) are whatever we can fantasise real. There are just fantasies, nothing more.

The experience of life was considered spiritual because of self experience...

The experience of life is entirely somatic, not spiritual. Mental constructs do not arise until the body experiences, then the mental life follows, both are assimilated as memory which is destroyed at death. All the the drugs that shamans take and all the supernatural fantasies can never make the experiences real...they are illusions.

The rest of your post is a nonsensical diatribe. Why don't you come back down to earth and live the life you were born into, others may be depending on you that you do.

originally posted by: elysiumfire
beenharmed:

You imply that a theory is the basis of reasoning.

No. You do. I imply nothing.

...we have experience that is the teaching methodology of life.

Agree.

A human being demonstrates via its own mind state that it can consider information regarding powers greater than itself...

Not by any stretch of the imagination (and it is only an imagining) are whatever we can fantasise real. There are just fantasies, nothing more.

The experience of life was considered spiritual because of self experience...

The experience of life is entirely somatic, not spiritual. Mental constructs do not arise until the body experiences, then the mental life follows, both are assimilated as memory which is destroyed at death. All the the drugs that shamans take and all the supernatural fantasies can never make the experiences real...they are illusions.

The rest of your post is a nonsensical diatribe. Why don't you come back down to earth and live the life you were born into, others may be depending on you that you do.

Are you now making comments about how your own ancient male self gained illusionary information that they used and it attacked them?

Does spirit change the chemical responses in our human mind....of course they do...but you should remember you have never been privy to this intrusion via your channeled study of the human mind and brain function ...scientist of the occult.

Do you think that spirit is as ignorant as your own person?

beenharmed:

Are you now making comments about how your own ancient male self gained illusionary information that they used and it attacked them?

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about...none at all; but here's the kicker, neither do you. You think you understand something? You think you are privy to some kind of knowledge, because you think you have had an experience from which you have gained knowledge, and thus you think you are enlightened? You're not enlightened, just misinterpreting your experience, and fitting thoughts to the experience to support the delusion you want to be real. You are not on your own, billions around the world do it.

Does spirit change the chemical responses in our human mind...of course they do...

What? Do you not perceive how all this crap you talk you make up to fit the perception of your belief? It is delusional, and it is the worst kind of delusional, because it is 'self' delusion. Like I have already stated though, you are not on your own, most of our species are self-delusional.

Spirit? What the hell is that? You have no idea, but I bet you believe it to be that aspect of you that is doing all the thinking? Thinking that we are spirit is part of the self-delusion. It isn't real, just a misinterpretation of perceiving our own awareness, our own 'state' of being conscious. Once you come to accept this, once you come to accept and see through the illusions our perceiving of our own existence puts in front of us, only then can you count yourself as being enlightened.

Stop the addiction to self-delusion and just simply live this brief life the best you can. There is no rhyme or reason or purpose to it...it just is.

originally posted by: elysiumfire
beenharmed:

Are you now making comments about how your own ancient male self gained illusionary information that they used and it attacked them?

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about...none at all; but here's the kicker, neither do you. You think you understand something? You think you are privy to some kind of knowledge, because you think you have had an experience from which you have gained knowledge, and thus you think you are enlightened? You're not enlightened, just misinterpreting your experience, and fitting thoughts to the experience to support the delusion you want to be real. You are not on your own, billions around the world do it.

Does spirit change the chemical responses in our human mind...of course they do...

What? Do you not perceive how all this crap you talk you make up to fit the perception of your belief? It is delusional, and it is the worst kind of delusional, because it is 'self' delusion. Like I have already stated though, you are not on your own, most of our species are self-delusional.

Spirit? What the hell is that? You have no idea, but I bet you believe it to be that aspect of you that is doing all the thinking? Thinking that we are spirit is part of the self-delusion. It isn't real, just a misinterpretation of perceiving our own awareness, our own 'state' of being conscious. Once you come to accept this, once you come to accept and see through the illusions our perceiving of our own existence puts in front of us, only then can you count yourself as being enlightened.

Stop the addiction to self-delusion and just simply live this brief life the best you can. There is no rhyme or reason or purpose to it...it just is.

Speak for yourself...which is what you are speaking as...your own awareness...consciousness and self review.

I have lived a spiritual life and was attacked by the occultist program because of it. You thought that my mind and life related to the Christ Healer, as my spiritual experience demonstrated that I had affected other human being's cellular life...so you decided to use your evil program to research my life and spirit channels.

Delusion itself is the belief that you are the Creator...a common mistake of a scientist/occultist.

I never believed my self Creator...I knew that spirit belonged to all life and that no one owned it...hence I never charged for healing for my family owns their own spirit....who was I to charge them for it?

I know spirit for spirit advised me of their presence in my life circumstance, proving that they existed and did so from a higher origin than ourselves, and an origin that our conscious spiritual self always belonged to.

As science of the occult cannot have it, they ridicule our life and persons as a subject of evil intent....the common practice of our ancient brother who believes he is more powerful and works for the organizations who make him believe his is more powerful....yet you are simply another human being.

All of our life we have been indoctrinated with your unrealistic occult beliefs and it is about time that you learn your own lesson.

originally posted by: Joesepth
Are we on earth to do what people are doing today in the varieties of things? are we living a sin? whats our purpose of living?

Enough said get the bigger picture watching this

what do you think?

i hope this topic is posted in the right section.

Hmm. The purpose is to live. Or you're dead, right? If I die, I'm gone. I don't remember anything before I was born and do not have any secret information about the afterlife, so I have to assume this is it. LIve or... die. So I need a damn good reason to quit living because I have no reason to suspect I can fall back to the afterlife.

What do we do when we live? Some of that's dictated by our own body and our environment. And some by our imagination, maybe--being completely separated from the material. I say maybe because the mental might connect to the material somehow. But it's hard to pin down what we do when we live. Different people will supply different answers no doubt, leading to confusion and disagreement. Evne if you attempt to pin it down by strictly confining it to objective reality, it seems you set yourself up to be ambushed someway, somehow, despite your best efforts.

If a termite or a fly or a rat or a worm or a magpie or a black bear or a orca could speak, what would they say the purpose is? I imagine, in all my limited capacity, they'd say something similar as we do. And how many other planets or places are there in the cosmos where life exists and tries to live? If there really is a cosmos out there as big as the scientists tell us, it's an amazing choir of voices all giving a response to this question.

EDIT: No offense to all the other creatures of this Earth or elsewhere. Those creatures I listed were just off the top of my mind. N omatter what you're, you're included and your opinion is welcome.

Thge mention of choir makes me think of music. So music:

beenharmed:

Speak for yourself...which is what you are speaking as...your own awareness...consciousness and self review.

My condition of existence is exactly the same as yours, there's no difference, except in the interpretation of the perceiving of existing. You delude yourself, I don't. You are subjective, whilst I am objective. You rely entirely on self-evidence, I see no evidence of any rhyme, reason, or purpose to existence except to live it. Just live your life with a rhyme, reason, and purpose nature and your needs supply.

We are just units of repetition, each of us, with an added aspect of temporary self-awareness, but it is brief and certainly not eternal. Death ends it utterly, never to be saved or to return. Everything you write, validates everything I say.

there is no purpose. we are cosmic bacteria riding cosmic dust in a cosmic wind. but if you are looking for suggestions, i have only two words: surprise yourself. because in the end, none of this matters, and what you do is significant unto yourself.

a reply to: Ghost147

All the evidence suggests that this may be all we have

what evidence would that be?

a reply to: elysiumfire

wow look at you speaking with absolute authority. why is it you think you can say for certain that we are all just temporary things that will disappear to never function as a physical being once we die?

id challenge you to research how to have an out of body experience and do it but with how you speak im guessing your beliefs are far too strong for you to actually explore an alternate avenue.

a reply to: elysiumfire

My condition of existence is exactly the same as yours, there's no difference, except in the interpretation of the perceiving of existing. You delude yourself, I don't. You are subjective, whilst I am objective. You rely entirely on self-evidence, I see no evidence of any rhyme, reason, or purpose to existence except to live it. Just live your life with a rhyme, reason, and purpose nature and your needs supply.

We are just units of repetition, each of us, with an added aspect of temporary self-awareness, but it is brief and certainly not eternal. Death ends it utterly, never to be saved or to return. Everything you write, validates everything I say.

What an over blown bag of bombastic bullsh1t?

My condition of existence is exactly the same as yours, there's no difference, except in the interpretation of the perceiving of existing.

It's not the same as mine if
yours offers a bleak dismal existence where EVERYTHING is permissible?
All the order we see in the universe that makes earth ( our home )
possible, is governed by nothing, for no reason what so ever? Life is just
a worthless, hopeless, space between two nothings? There is no one more
intelligent then us and especially you? Because you figured this all out
by yourself in your tremendous wisdom, acquired over such a vast expanse
of time? I'll bet you've been around for at least thirty years? Hell I'm ready
to drop everything that makes perfect sense to me and follow your self made
religion. So I can dispense with authority, ridicule everyones beliefs and basically
come off like a real ass and call that an acomplishment.

Where do people like this come from?

Well....

My dog just died.

Her purpose was to reproduce (and do the things dogs do), an ability that was taken from her by someone who had her before I did to re-purpose her existence for their own enjoyment and convenience. I would never have done that to her myself.

Shiner would have made some beautiful puppies, her only purpose in her life was taken from her.

I am in conflict with myself whether to put her out in the environment to be re-purposed and redistributed to other animals and insects to use to draw energy and life force from to do the things they are meant to do, to put her right back into the system of things that is this planet we live on, or to bury her which amounts to the same thing but slightly slower and out of sight and out of mind.

My purpose is to dig a hole right now I think....

I think people place so much emphasis on trying to understand the purpose of things that the truth of things completely eludes them because they try too hard to understand, making up things as they go to fill in gaps they couldn't possibly know and completely losing the truth in the process.

Nothing goes anywhere in this world, it just changes.

Everything is fluid, like my puppy is going to be if I don't get her out of here....

AVoiceOfReason:

why is it you think you can say for certain that we are all just temporary things that will disappear to never function as a physical being once we die?

Well, that's the evidence. The certainty that each of us will die, and no amount of hope for something hereafter will change that, so we invent mythologies. We create fantasies that we will live after death, and we have all these preachers all over the world from man's many diverse religions, and cults, and sects, telling us that is so. I write with the same authority as them, only I stop where the evidence ends, because when death claims you, no matter how much you delude yourself (and you really are deluding yourself) there is no more. Death is the utter fullstop of your existence.

randyvs:

What an over blown bag of bombastic bullsh1t?

Yeah well, you read it, and by your protestation, you obviously intuit the truth of it.

It's not the same as mine if yours offers a bleak dismal existence...

I have not written about existence, I have written about death and how it is the utter end of each of our individual existence. Life can be anything you want it to be. It can be good, it can be bad, it depends upon the agencies working for you or against you, but above all, it depends upon your own agency.
If reality is too cold and brutal for you to accept, that is not a fault of mine, believe what you want, but just remember, it is only a belief carried by a hope that your faith in it will some day be validated...fact is, it won't ever be validated. If that is your choice, then fair enough, keep it to yourself. If you declare it publicly, it will be considered fair game for analysis and criticism. I expect that of my own posts.

You call my thoughts depressing. I don't think they are. I am neither nihilistic or fatalistic, just realistic, and trying to live this brief existence of mine as best I can, because when it ends, my existence will be nothing more than a memory in some one else's mind, as will your existence. I don't expect to die and then wake into some post-mortem conscious afterlife. There isn't a single shred of evidence that that is what will happen or has ever happened...just anecdotes of hearsay and speculation and conjecture.

By the way, you have bombastic down to a fine art.

Purpose = applied thought reasoning.

We know we are natural beings in a natural environment.

Our history states that an ancient male consciousness as a group of males wanted the same outcome....takeover of life...control of life...occultism, being the gain of creation powers.

The male gained powers by his ancient technology and destroyed life.

We regained our life by spiritual manifestation, spirit proven to us by self experience...self experience the only teacher.

Our brother regained his personal wants of power and ownership and continued to apply his personal method of controlling life...owning life...giving life its values and then imposed those values upon our person. For since when does value exist naturally.

Therefore human males imposed their own selves upon their brothers and sisters...and have told us what our purpose is.

Our purpose does not exist.

We have sex...sex allows the continuance of life.

Scientists of the occult want spirit to have a purpose, for they now want new creation powers, so they are subjecting us to a new form of attack...their own egotistical reviews.

The spirit is formed inside of the body of a preceding presence...adults, our life only continues if our parents have sex. If no human had sex and we all died, where is the spirit power you want in respect of a consideration to Earth's atmosphere and our life? We exist because the atmosphere allows us to exist...you change the atmosphere and we begin to die, just as demonstrated.

It is too difficult for human occultists to use their own brain...are you all that self possessed that you have to ask everyone elses opinion?