The soul, the self & I

Hi my fellows humans on this wild ride we call life.

I have been thinking lately how we are our own little trinities. The soul which seems to live longer than the self.
Did you know you loose 21 grams, when you die? What is it? Pure energy? And where does it go?
The self, this individual bushido on a mission. We are all here to achieve something, some are protectors, some thinkers, some askers and it seems we are all equally unhappy with the status quo.
Then why do we let the ego get in the way of becoming what we are meant to be? I think the ego is fear driven, it relays on others opinions about the self, always scared to be different not fitting, or not functioning right, because we don't have X. Posessions are what keeps us trapped in the wheel, it is just never enough.
In spiritual teachings you have to cross the gates. Each gate takes something from you and eventually your ego. To transform to your true self. So your quest can be fullfilled and with your last breath your soul can reach a higher ground.

a reply to: Peeple

Posessions are what keeps us trapped in the wheel, it is just never enough.

That surely is true, but more specifically it's fear that keeps us trapped. We have a lot of work to do. LOVE

originally posted by: Peeple
Did you know you loose 21 grams when you die? What is it? Pure energy? And where does it go?

Sorry, but you are repeating an old wives tale!
That is not true,it was an instrumental/experimental error.
Unrepeatable.
Nonsense.

I hope that you didn't build too big a castle on that quicksand premise! *__-

a reply to: namelesss

Really? Didn't know that...
I still believe the soul lives more than one life. The self just can't remember.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: namelesss

Really? Didn't know that...
I still believe the soul lives more than one life. The self just can't remember.

Please consider;

We are all unique Conscious Perspectives, Souls.
We do not 'have' Souls, we ARE Souls!
A Soul is a single Perspective, a 'point-of-view'.
Not anything, ever, 'affects' a Soul, any more than a film 'affects' the screen upon which it is played/reflected!
Existence/Reality is the film, every point in the Universe, every moment, is a unique Soul!

a reply to: namelesss

Well we have different opinions on that then. I am not just a soul and this "being projected on a screen" doesn't work for me for many reasons.

1. we all experience inner conflicts
   
2. the physical realm is strong, undeniable in its existence
   
3. personal experiences are very often chaotic
   

I am more than just a soul. I am as well a physical being. I am subject to other peoples interpretations. I am still an embedded soul in a self driven life.

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: Peeple
Did you know you loose 21 grams when you die? What is it? Pure energy? And where does it go?

Sorry, but you are repeating an old wives tale!
That is not true,it was an instrumental/experimental error.
Unrepeatable.
Nonsense.

I hope that you didn't build too big a castle on that quicksand premise! *__-

Yep, totally discredited study:

rationallyspeaking.blogspot.co.uk...

"This is an excellent example of where pseudoscience and belief go wrong, on a variety of levels. Let us start with MacDougall's claim itself: it turns out that his data were decidedly unreliable by any decent scientific standard. Not only was the experiment never repeated (by either MaDougall or anyone else), but his own notes (published in American Medicine in March 1907) show that of the six data points, two had to be discarded as “of no value”; two recorded a weight drop, followed by additional losses later on (was the soul leaving bit by bit?); one showed a reversal of the loss, then another loss (the soul couldn't make up its mind, leaving, re-entering, then leaving for good); and only one case actually constitutes the basis of the legendary estimate of ¾ of an ounce. With data like these, it's a miracle the paper got published in the first place."

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: namelesss

Well we have different opinions on that then. I am not just a soul and this "being projected on a screen" doesn't work for me for many reasons.

1. we all experience inner conflicts
   
2. the physical realm is strong, undeniable in its existence
   
3. personal experiences are very often chaotic
   

I am more than just a soul. I am as well a physical being. I am subject to other peoples interpretations. I am still an embedded soul in a self driven life.

All righty then, enjoy that 'belief infection'. *__-

a reply to: namelesss

You call physical experience belief infection and subscribe to a totally made up point of view?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: namelesss

You call physical experience belief infection and subscribe to a totally made up point of view?

I'm not going to juxtapose science and philosophy against your 'beliefs'!
Science and philosophy is bound to lose! See; Chess playing pigeon!
You couldn't even handle a simple 'what if' without circling the wagons around your (imaginary) 'beliefs'.
That was obvious when I lopped off the pseudo-scientific legs from your OP, and you never even missed a stride!
As I said, enjoy those 'beliefs'. *__-

a reply to: Peeple
You are the screen and everything that appears, appears on that screen (including thoughts, sensations). You are just the canvas that the colours and sounds appear on - I say just but without that screen existence would have nowhere to appear.
You are not doing anything that appears - you are simply the unconditional space which allows the movie (may/lila) to unfold.

a reply to: namelesss

Wow. The 21 grams are not even what the OP is about.
But your theory of a holographic universe has been proven wrong. here
There is nothing but the soul, come on that is laughable bs!

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: namelesss

Wow. The 21 grams are not even what the OP is about.
But your theory of a holographic universe has been proven wrong. here
There is nothing but the soul, come on that is laughable bs!

Denial is a major tool to support 'beliefs'.
"Yeah, you show that it was wrong, but that makes no difference! Forging right ahead..."
A 'belief' will eat any old trash that supports it.
If you were honestly intellectually interested, and you couldn't see where I was coming from, you would have asked me for elucidation, reasoning, evidence, which I would be happy to provide, but your emotional immediate denial screams 'belief infection', and there will be (irrational) symptomatic behavior when that 'belief' is felt to be threatened!
Emotional rather than intellectual.

Anyway, I gave an excellent and clear Universal definition of Soul.
If you don't like it, perhaps you can offer a better one?
I'll be waiting! *__-

originally posted by: namelesss
Please consider;

We are all unique Conscious Perspectives, Souls.
We do not 'have' Souls, we ARE Souls!
A Soul is a single Perspective, a 'point-of-view'.
Not anything, ever, 'affects' a Soul, any more than a film 'affects' the screen upon which it is played/reflected!
Existence/Reality is the film, every point in the Universe, every moment, is a unique Soul!

This is your definition?

originally posted by: Peeple

originally posted by: namelesss
Please consider;


We do not 'have' Souls, we ARE Souls!
A Soul is a single Perspective, a 'point-of-view'.
Not anything, ever, 'affects' a Soul, any more than a film 'affects' the screen upon which it is played/reflected!
Existence/Reality is the film, every point in the Universe, every moment, is a unique Soul!

This is your definition?

We are all unique Conscious Perspectives, Souls.
Every point in the Universe, ever, is a Soul.
Yes. Look up all definitions of 'Perspective', from various dictionaries, and you'd begin to understand.
Yes, that is my definition; clear, supportable... actually it is the ONLY clear rational definition of a Soul that I have ever heard!
Which is why I asked you to offer your's, since you have some problem with mine.

a reply to: namelesss

Every point in the universe is a soul is nonsense. There is matter without a soul, there is empty space with just a few atoms here and there. Do you think every atom has a soul?
Animals, maybe plants, but a chair? No.

My perspective is different than yours. What now will you try to uniform me?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: namelesss

Every point in the universe is a soul is nonsense. There is matter without a soul, there is empty space with just a few atoms here and there. Do you think every atom has a soul?
Animals, maybe plants, but a chair? No.

My perspective is different than yours. What now will you try to uniform me?

Again the emotional response.
I, at least, can define the terms that I use!
You have not refuted mine definition yet, no matter how many times you cry "nonsense!"!
All you seem to be able to do is emotionally respond how you don't like my definitions (they do not fit in with your ignorance of science), without offering one of your own.
I am still waiting.
If you cannot (will not?) clearly define the terms that you use, further 'discussion' is as futile and this has become.

How much credibility would 'you' give someone who cannot define the terms that they use?

a reply to: namelesss

I didn't know it was necessary to define it, because as i already stated it in the OP it is the immortal part of our consciousness. The self is the sum of our learned and inherited behaviour. The soul is the part which returns to the greater pool of conscience energy.

a reply to: Peeple

Most Status Quo people look at me like I'm an alien from another world---like when heartless people laugh at deformed people.

No one is good...No not one has a much deeper meaning now.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: namelesss

I didn't know it was necessary to define it, because as i already stated it in the OP it is the immortal part of our consciousness. The self is the sum of our learned and inherited behaviour. The soul is the part which returns to the greater pool of conscience energy.

I still do not hear any definition.
When a rational person uses words, he generally knows what they mean.
When one doesn't, that screams irrationality and ignorance.

'Consciousness' has no 'parts'! There is no 'other'!

And if you cannot clearly define a 'Soul', you cannot understand what you are saying.
Just mouthing words...
In which position, it would behoove you to just listen, and make an attempt to understand.