Iraq gives a 48 hour deadline to Turkey move out from Iraq

a reply to: MrSpad

Exactly. Turkey is planning on swapping Mosul for a bit of Northwest Syria; Syria gets a chunk of Sunni Iraq in exchange. Eventually, Mosul will become the capital of an independent Kurdistan and all the factions balance themselves out after the armistice.

originally posted by: MrSpad
The problem for Iraq is even if the Turks pull out they can still leave advisers and tons of weapons making the Kurds and Sunnis a real problem for Iraq.

Big question here is, ISIS. I mean, they don't look much ... off hand, without the MSM and the beheadings, I'd think they were the sunni's trying to carve their own land.

But, their alignment with Turkey doesn't add up ... their disagreement, probably ... I'm guessing here ... dates back to the gulf war. Where both Kurds and Shia are their enemies. I doubt they "easily" forgive ...

So, ISIS as sunni doesn't add up ... and turks aiding "sunni iraqi's" doesn't add up either. And the most compelling question here, is why the Russians are siding with the Shia's. The US and NATO coalition has been getting aid from the shia groups in the middle east, ever since 1990's. The US/NATO trade "aid" in the middle east, for position in the balkans ... those are the "shiia" site of the fence, aren't they?

originally posted by: Ploutonas
a reply to: spy66

there is a topic about it www.abovetopsecret.com... , but also my prev comment have this news, US airfighters attacked syrian army. But few hours later they also killed 40 women and children in a non isis territory.

It seems Russia with Iran and Syria, will create a noflight zone even for west.


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Maybe thats why Russia send 50 ships in Caspian seas...

It seam that Russia have decleared a no fly sone for Turkey. Just now (few houers ago) two Turkish F-16s were intercepted inside Syria and properly chased out With two warnings by two Russian SU 34s.

There was no further conflicts With that event.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66

It is exactly what it means as long as he runs the Circus in Turkey.

Ah! So you don't really believe that the United States can instigate regime change by underhanded methods?

No. Not as long as Russia are bombing the crap out of ISIS / ISIL and the rebels. And taken Assad side. There is no way in hell the US will Reach their goal With a regime change as long as Russia is helping Assad.

Not without a war , or a political agreement between the two nations.

ISIS, ISIL and the rebels are the only hope the US have of instigating a regime change in Syria, And that would look leagal to the western public. It is what the US government are politically promoting....right in Our faces on TV.

At some point the US will have to engage Russia or loose any hope of a regime change With Assad gone.

That is why we see the massive build up of US allies and Russian forces. One of them has to go.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: bjarneorn
anyone thinks different, they're a moron.

No one will drop a nuke that 100 sorties can do much better. BTW just how big do you really think a nuke covers in destruction? The big ones will do 7 miles so they better drop 50.

US oil consumption, has decreased ... however, Canada can't even produce half of the oil, the US needs to import. Being by FAR the biggest consumer. The US can produce LESS than half it's needs, about 2/5ths.

Big difference in the word 'Can" as you say and "not profitable" with oil prices so low. Fracking becomes profitable at 80 per barrel and the amount of frack oil is crazy. Right now we have 1.2 trillion barrels of recoverable oil and we are just getting started in finding more. The 22 billion 2% of the world is just oil we been taping.

Europe, can produce silch, nada ... EU being the second biggest consumer, after the US ... it's in DESPARATE need of oil.

Sucks to be them, you do not think EU would go to war with Russia if Russia used nukes to completely shut down all oil to EU? What are they to do then just beg Russia to give them some...lol

Russia produces 3 times the volume, it needs itself.

Not after their oil fields get nukes too...

How big does a nuke cover in destruction? For the big ones its a LOT more than 7 miles. 7 miles would be just the fireball itself. You are looking at 50+miles in radius of structural devastation due the massive heat and 600+ MPH winds from the shock wave that gradually decrease to hurricane force dozens of miles out.

Anyway this is all a moot point and the thread can be closed as Turkey has removed the troops.

a reply to: elementalgrove

I could not have said it better. One can pray Putin is about to lay the smack down and make Iraq and Syria off limits to anyone that is not invited. Syria will be easy, Iraq not so much. Forcing Turkey out would be easy but the U.S. out of Iraq, well that would be interesting.

Turkey needs to be beaten to a pulp by Russian heavy armor divisions and I think Georgia would welcome the Russians with open arms at this point given what their southern neighbors have planned for them.

originally posted by: schuyler
And exactly what is Iraq going to do about it? They have an ineffectual government and a military that any WW II Army could beat. They are no match for the Turks, which has a HUGE Army.

Russia could easily get the job done. Iran would seriously take on Turkey when it means losing their investment in Iraq if they did not.

This war is winding up fast, the one who unites all the Arabs is the anti-Christ and the man who is trying is Erdogan of Turkey.

a reply to: spy66

I wasn't talking about Assad. You want to see Erdogan go down? Bet on the USA.

Russia wants no part of Turkey. They would have to nuke Turkey because they would get their noses bloodied-and thats without NATO help. Turkey has the 2nd largest air force in NATO and tons of modern high tech equipment.

If Russia was itching for a fight with Turkey it had all the reason necessary after their plane got shot down. Right now they just want to irritate Turkey and be a thorn in their side.

Putin got gut checked by Turkey and found out one country who isnt scared of him and also said if Russia repeated they action then they will lose another plane. All Russia is doing now is posturing so Putin can save face. If he's such a big bad boy and felt froggy, then he would have jumped.

Isn't Turkey buying ISIS oil? That would justify Iraq's distrust of Turkey.

Let's say for the sake of argument that Turkey is really helping ISIS in secret. What would they want with Mosul?

a reply to: princeofpeace

Turkey has less than 200 F-16s. That is their best front line fighter. They have another 50 F-4s. Russia has 2000 SU-27 Alone that would out-fly and fight a Falcon any day lol. Not to mention the Mig 29s or the SU-30 Plus series.

Turkey has about 340 thousand in their armed forces to Russia's 741 thousand with 2 million in reserve.

Russia has more main battle tanks in reserve than Turkey can field total.

Russia would flat beat them like a pit bull beats a puddle LMAO. Turkey would have no air cover in the second day of fighting as the skies would look like a swamp filled with Russian mosquitoes.

originally posted by: princeofpeace

How big does a nuke cover in destruction? For the big ones its a LOT more than 7 miles. 7 miles would be just the fireball itself. You are looking at 50+miles in radius of structural devastation due the massive heat and 600+ MPH winds from the shock wave that gradually decrease to hurricane force dozens of miles out.

Ok lets look at Russia's SS-25 a big daddy in their nuke current inventory. I do not like Kirkuk so lets just blow them up, and as you can see your going to need a lot of nukes since their oil fields cover the whole north to south of the country on the west half of it.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
Isn't Turkey buying ISIS oil? That would justify Iraq's distrust of Turkey.

Let's say for the sake of argument that Turkey is really helping ISIS in secret. What would they want with Mosul?

Turkey is ISIS. They want Iraq's northern oil fields.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Never mind the mobile Topol-M which are just as scary and more so as they cant be located and are twice as accurate.

originally posted by: princeofpeace
Anyway this is all a moot point and the thread can be closed as Turkey has removed the troops.

NO THEY HAVE NOT. They said they will not send anymore. Iraq said they will ask Russia to evict them in 24 hours.

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge
a reply to: princeofpeace

Turkey has less than 200 F-16s. That is their best front line fighter. They have another 50 F-4s. Russia has 2000 SU-27 Alone that would out-fly and fight a Falcon any day lol. Not to mention the Mig 29s or the SU-30 Plus series.

Turkey has about 340 thousand in their armed forces to Russia's 741 thousand with 2 million in reserve.

Russia has more main battle tanks in reserve than Turkey can field total.

Russia would flat beat them like a pit bull beats a puddle LMAO. Turkey would have no air cover in the second day of fighting as the skies would look like a swamp filled with Russian mosquitoes.

Russia has to get all of that there correct? 2000 SU-27s? Source? Russia has 729 fixed wing fighter/intercept aircraft per Globalfirepower.com

originally posted by: MrSpad
There is nothing that can be done if the Turks choose not leave. The Shia Iraqi forces in the area have failed to take Mosul leading to the former police and military forces of Mosul (Sunnis) along with the Kurds turned to the Turks to provide aid in retaking the city. The Iraqis of course do not want Sunni's and Kurds taking Mosul.

However for Iraq to do anything they would have to engage Sunni Iraqi forces and Kurdish forces that working with the Turks. That would lead to and end of cooperation between the Kurds and Iraq and Sunni militias and Iraq and likely start a civil war.

And no Iran and Russia would be no help, they are over extended just trying keep Assad propped up.

I am not sure what you are on about.

Over extended ??

Iran and Russia have not even begun extending anything, it is the USA which is over extended.

You can just rewrite everything you said, run it through a proper information clearing house and realize that all is going according to plan.

WW3 is being carefully crafted, and everyone who believes the propaganda is going to be real busy, 1000 times busier than usual, trying to keep up simulating scenarios in their minds.

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge

originally posted by: princeofpeace
Anyway this is all a moot point and the thread can be closed as Turkey has removed the troops.

NO THEY HAVE NOT. They said they will not send anymore. Iraq said they will ask Russia to evict them in 24 hours.

Source? What i saw Iraq is okay with them not sending MORE but keeping what is there.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: princeofpeace

How big does a nuke cover in destruction? For the big ones its a LOT more than 7 miles. 7 miles would be just the fireball itself. You are looking at 50+miles in radius of structural devastation due the massive heat and 600+ MPH winds from the shock wave that gradually decrease to hurricane force dozens of miles out.

Ok lets look at Russia's SS-25 a big daddy in their nuke current inventory. I do not like Kirkuk so lets just blow them up, and as you can see your going to need a lot of nukes since their oil fields cover the whole north to south of the country on the west half of it.

LOL who is going to work there? We were just talking blast effects not radiation. If those folks are that hard up for work they can try to work the fields if they want but they wont survive more than a few days (and thats in a LOT larger area than you depict on the map).