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Good and Evil - Can't Have One Without the Other Universe

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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 10:17 PM
These two words provide a variety of meaning. One could also look at it as light and dark, God and Satan, etc. My question to you ATSers is do you believe knowing and acceptance of both is a fortitude of enlightenment? To better explain, imagine the moment right before the theory of the "big bang". We have darkness or dark matter. I presume both. Then, according to the bible, God said, "Let there be light." So, light there was. Now from a scientific position, the darkness was there before the light; yet, we know we can't have one without the other. This leads to the question could we possibly live in the universe "you can't have one without the other"? Many more questions arise but I will stop there for now.


posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 10:32 PM
Yes this polarization law seems to fit into everything, big or small. You need one to experience the other and vice versa

posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 10:36 PM

theory of the "big bang"
a reply to: ExternalForces

Theories are bad places to "start." Perhaps we exist as an aspect of nothingness where all this speculation doesn't matter. IDK, sorry.

posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 10:39 PM
Yep, yep,.... God said He created evil.....

wild, huh!!!!

posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 10:41 PM
What is order to the spider is chaos to the fly. And that about sums up the absolute nature (or lack thereof) of both.

posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 10:45 PM
a reply to: donktheclown

How are theories a bad place to start? Newton's Laws were created from a theory, yes? So, why is it such a "bad" thing to start from a theory?

posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 11:38 PM
It's a very subjective and abstract concept. It's possible for an action to be both or neither and a person to be viewed as good by some and evil by others to differing degrees.

If God is omnipresent and omniscient there can't be a 'devil' by most definitions as even applying the loosest definition of the devil being the absence of God would indicate God isn't omnipresent and therefore fails the God test.

How would a person even define enlightenment if at the point they recognise they've achieved it they're further away from it than when they started?

posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 01:14 AM
a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

To answer your question, the self. Second guessing yourself, peer pressure, attitudes, emotions. Darkness can always dim or fade the light, but the flame will never go out. Insert Infinity symbol here.


posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 02:08 AM
You can have objective good (symbiotic behavior towards everything) instead of objective evil (ego parasitical behavior towards everything).

Just because many souls on this level fail to follow the golden path do not mean it cannot be followed. This insane ideas that evil and good have to be equally strong is a brainwashing for souls who want an excuse to behave insanely. A race to the bottom where insane greed, murder, genocide and rape becomes acceptable.

Humanity as a whole had free will and could create societies that was without physical conflict and manipulation. It still has the potential unrealised but refuse to act on it.

If humanity survives long enough it might even come to the point where it can manipulate the quantum probability field directly (literally controlling the nature of fate).
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posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 02:23 AM
a reply to: LittleByLittle

I would have to agree with you there. Realizing these two things may be a brainwashing technique, one would only need to rely on their true Self and self to find their real means in this world. The drug scopomaline is derived from a plant. Now from my point of view this drug takes away freewill. Reporter was given a set of chores while under the influence of named drug and instead of doing the chores hopped on a plane. To me this doesn't prove that this drug takes away freewill. What if the reporter had so much freewill he just hoped on the plane because he could. Hence, freewill was still there. Feel free to continue or add on... The will the media is willing to go these days is mind blowing.

Scopomaline Reference

posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 04:15 AM
God did not created evil.
The reason is, what God creates is Perfect and Holy.
What God created is unable to attack.
It becomes pretty apparent if you Know God.

1.God's Realm is the Knowledge. His Truth is ultimate, and there is no need in attack anywhere there. it is not possibile.
2.God resides in the Eternity. Everything what he creates, he has Created in his mind.
By knowing that it is Pure and Holy, he gave himself to his creations (or his Son).
3. His son, beeing playfull can dream, and in his Dreams the opposites of the eternity exists, and everything is in Opposition to God.
4.This Dream made the Reality (what you call Reality and time). (for God it is illusion and in the eternity time doesnt exists at all).And in this Dream you have misstaken your self with the body.
5.Only flesh is capable of attack.

yeah i know you will say next: yes but this and that and evil etc.

the Point is: Seeing is believing. and Your belief makes your reality.

But seeing is Not Knowing. And only God's Knowledge will set you free.
(this means think like God did and Create only the perfection)

The Belief in Seeing is what YOU have made, and not God. And it follows that what you saw: you believe.
And now this belief is maintaining itself, because you see again next, and then again believe, and your beliefs are again creating reality.

It is maybe hard to grasp, because of other mechanism like guilt or anger (which again you have created), are trying to keep you away from the knowledge. but that can be so, only because you dont know the other way, yet.
But you will, because God created you Perfect, and in the Eternity you are free. Its only a matter of TIME when you will release yourself.

The secret in creating the perfect reality is:

Forgive what you see, and let the knowledge of perfection replace the past. So will your future get better. But to find God, you have to be in the only time that exists.
And that is now (which is free from thinking about past and the future).

posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 04:17 AM
everything in the universe is a paradox. The extreme duality of everything. it's weird. It's just plain weird. You don't need more, you need less so you can learn to appreciate more.

posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 09:13 AM
a reply to: ExternalForcesBecause a theory is a starting place but by it's definition isn't a fact, that's all. I know this isn't pertinent to your question but it is important.

Now from a scientific position, the darkness was there before the light; yet, we know we can't have one without the other.

This is what I mean. To me, science knows very little, so a "scientific position" is not the be all end all. Who can actually know, without a shadow of a doubt, that darkness came before light? Maybe light was first to exist and then darkness has continually tried to displace light since. Look into the night sky and try to imagine that we, as humans, know anything. I can't. The "known or speculated knowledge" of science in this reality doesn't mean it's correct, as "scientists" and their theories are proven wrong all the time. There are answers elsewhere that they don't have. JMO.

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posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 05:13 PM
a reply to: donktheclown

Thanks for you clarification. Definitely put it into a different perspective. A definitive answer to the big bang theory would be very insightful and knowing in the context of which came first. I seek many of my answers through magical abilities that are plagued by others as satanic, yadayada. When you really look at it, God is a magician himself. To me he embraces both the light and the dark equally. I'm actually writing a sci-fi book about this. Hopefully one day I can post a short story of it.


posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 10:51 PM
a reply to: ExternalForces

Everything starts from the darkness, even our days and years transitions are during the midst of darkness because our ancestors were aware of the rhythm of nature.
Birth and death stacked, out of death life comes forth.
One could see darkness as a 'state of ignorance', non-realisation, not yet awakened.
Light can be seen as a germinating seed, a life cycle that unfolds out of present potential.
Darkness can be seen as the void, pralaya (a resting state) between two manvantara's (life cycles) all potential is latent in a state of not being.
There is no duality, there is a shift of balance in power.
Darkness and light, good and evil, summer and winter, they are not opposites, they are the extremes of the same force.

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posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 12:45 AM
From what I have been contemplating recently, to have one ability or to specialise in one area might mean that in order to do so you will have to lose abilities in another. For example, a short distance runner has what are called "fast twitch" muscles that are great for speed however tire easily at longer distances. A superior long distance runner has "slow twitch" muscles that are not ideal for speed however are great for endurance over long distances. It is such that if you develop one kind of muscle fiber you would not be able to have the other instead.

I think that there are some people who want "the best of both worlds" however it is probably a fact of life that one strength will bore one weakness and one weakness will bore one strength.

What is the solution to this?

Obvious - we have to work together and some people might be used for one task, others used for other tasks, but together we accomplish.

It is the selfish principle itself that denies the reality that we have to work together to achieve goals.
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posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 08:10 PM
Good and evil are steam and ice. Essentially the same substance, just different conditions, largely due to environment or "context". Both are equally natural, as are the circumstances that produce them. "Good" and "evil" in the contemporary sense mean nothing more than "offensive" and "nonoffensive" aka PC and non PC.

posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:50 PM

originally posted by: ExternalForces
These two words provide a variety of meaning. One could also look at it as light and dark, God and Satan, etc. My question to you ATSers is do you believe knowing and acceptance of both is a fortitude of enlightenment?

All 'good', and all 'evil', exists in the (vanity of the) imagination of the beholder!
"We do not see the world as it is, we see it as we are!"

Both are in exactly equal quantity, as they define each other, and whatever exactly defines one, the other is therein defined!
They are merely two opposite Perspectives of the same One Reality!

By a 'fortitude of enlightenment', are you suggesting that (the vanity of) 'judgment', the insanity of 'morality', is some 'prerequisite' for Enlightenment/unconditional Love?
Actually, such vanity blinds one to Enlightenment/unconditional Love!
That is why vanity, Pride, is the only thing that carries the 'sin' (sinsanity) warning!
It is diametrically opposed to 'Enlightenment'!
It is the duality of 'thought'/imagination, ego, vanity, that blinds us to the Oneness of all.
Enlightenment = unconditional Love = the state of Oneness with the Universe, being the One Omni- Universal Self!
Duality is a feature of the One, though. *__-

This leads to the question could we possibly live in the universe "you can't have one without the other"?

There can be no One Coin without Heads and Tails, together, Here! Now!
Every Perspective is unique every moment!

"For every Perspective, there is an equal and opposite Perspective!" - The First Law of Soul Dynamics (Book of Fudd)

"The complete Universe (Reality/Truth/God/'Self!'/Tao/Brahman... or any feature herein...) can be completely defined/described as the synchronous sum-total of all Perspectives!" - Book of Fudd

"The acceptance and understanding of other Perspectives furthers our acquaintance with Reality!"

tat tvam asi (

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posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:56 PM
I think we are completing a dark cycle that began in ancient Egypt after the great flood and we are committed to a brighter cycle. In that sense darkness and light come from the same source but does not value the same priorities.

Our leaders carved their thrones in a world where darkness was omnipresent. Two suns will cross each others again and create another huge cataclysm. We have reached the middle point and crossed the barrier between the bronze and silver age.

posted on Dec, 24 2015 @ 08:18 AM

Cyberserious got it.
This forum is infiltrated by shills but this thread unveil all their lies and show us how they fake the end of our world in knowing the truth.

I've found many answers there and everyone have the right to understand what's waiting us all.

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