Donald Trump: 'Take Out Their Families'

originally posted by: buster2010
Never underestimate the ignorance of the American public.

Very true just look how there is not a single Democrat in the whole nation other than crazy Hillary to be their front runner. At lest there is a handful on the other side. Trump will burn himself out.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: buster2010
Never underestimate the ignorance of the American public.

Very true just look how there is not a single Democrat in the whole nation other than crazy Hillary to be their front runner. At lest there is a handful on the other side. Trump will burn himself out.

Just pretending Bernie doesn't exist and doesn't have a major grassroots campaign behind him, then?

originally posted by: Mikeyy
It works wonders in North Korea.

just sayin.

Ya because following NK is a good goal for us to have????

Ya know Hitler had some success in what he was doing too. Should we follow his methods as well??

a reply to: theantediluvian

WAY TO GO DONALD!!!

Let's just throw out every American value, you know the ones that let us think we are better than that.

Then we can show them we really are no more civilized than they are.

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes
Just pretending Bernie doesn't exist and doesn't have a major grassroots campaign behind him, then?

I don't see it though I hope it will happen.. I'm a vote for anyone but Hillary.

originally posted by: tinymind
a reply to: theantediluvian

WAY TO GO DONALD!!!

Let's just throw out every American value, you know the ones that let us think we are better than that.

Then we can show them we really are no more civilized than they are.

I hope he is not done and goes full medieval in his rants, oh the fun that would be.

a reply to: theantediluvian

"Yah...our smear campaign is working just swell against Trump he still leading after
125 days!!!!"

war is hell, in war if you aren`t willing to do whatever it takes to win then you don`t deserve to win.
world war II is a good example of what "civilized" societies will do in desperate times.
wiping out entire cities and killing millions of civilians was considered fair.
I don`t think we`ve reached that level of desperation yet in the war on terror but some day we might.

Every time we kill a terrorist you turn his 10 children against you automaticaly. You can't win a politically corect nice warm fuzy war.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

I take solace in the fact he will never be President of the United States.

Are you 100% sure about that?

originally posted by: Xeven
Every time we kill a terrorist you turn his 10 children against you automaticaly. You can't win a politically corect nice warm fuzy war.

Every time they kill one of our soldiers, they turn his or her family against them automatically. So going by your rationale, they "can't win a politically correct, nice, warm, fuzzy war" either, right?

Killing civilians is wrong, no matter who does it. Period. I can't believe this even has to be argued.

I don't like Donald.

But.... I'm with him on this actually.

Basic common sense, don't start a fight unless you intend to win, don't shoot or bomb anyone at all ever unless it comes to that and you're left with no choice.

But then if you do, don't be a Mary about it. Bombing the living crud out of a place "doesn't create more terrorists" Bombing their homes and buildings and infrastructure then leaving the people around in piles of rubble to be pissed about it sure does though, not killing civilians leaves angry children, not actually ever "beating" your enemy is what creates more enemies... America has been fighting less and less of anything you could call a war since WW2 on each round... We Bombed cities, the Germans and Japanese are sort of pals at least today, they lost, actually "lost" the war.

It sounds Horrific and Trump obviously has a way of trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator of thinking because that's who votes, lol.

None the less, he's sort of right. Who in the hell in the History of the world ever fought so many wars, didn't bother to finish them, then left this many enemies around for later to bite them in the arse? Sooooo we "made up" rules after WW2 then in following them decided that was "The American way" Really? Before WW2 for the whole rest of our History as "America" was beating the living crap out of everybody, From the Natives to Japan who actually ever "came back" and messed with us? Now what we get with our "new" manner of thinking is North Korea and ISIS when we fight.

Rule # 1 Never Start a War

Rule # 2 If you have to fight, finish them.

Sorry but no one out there but us as Global cop gives a damn about rules, outside of the West our "rules of engagement" should be expected to be utterly ignored, which is exactly what happens in every "hot spot" we have created by fighting these pseudo wars/police actions.

I mean for Pete's sake, what effect would it have on any of you to be in scenarios where someone phones in bomb strikes and you get warning to flee then your house blows up? You'd be a Terrorist in 3 seconds, this IS actually all moronic, or "only kill combatants" because you know... no one will be showing up at the door to tell the 7 kids that Dad was killed by YOU and they wont grow up to fight? it's an awful thing, it really is but that goes away when you bomb cities, people A: "don't live to do it back to you 10 years later and B: Are too damn jumpy from bombs going off if they do live to ever fight again.

Do I believe that Trump if elected will not just "start more wars" for no good reason? HELL NO, he's a nut case.

But, the basic premise is real if you're going to fight, fight. Just don't fight unless you HAVE to is the point guys like him miss.

I honestly think America is screwed from this trend of "halfway" fighting wars... we left enemies all of the world now, real ones, not political or economic ones. Several of those enemies have or are gaining access to Nukes. Even if we caused this, this isn't the time to turn back, no one will forgive us, we can wax to a completely socialist benevolent State now and North Korea will still try and launch a sub based Nuke at us at some point and take back SK if they can, The Middle East will never relent on conversion of the West etc, etc... Now honestly it IS down to us or them in many places.

Never should have been involved, but, too late now. On a level Trump is right, one way or another we will have to fight for real sooner or later and if you don't kill people there wont be a "West" in our lifetime.

originally posted by: Tardacus
war is hell, in war if you aren`t willing to do whatever it takes to win then you don`t deserve to win.
world war II is a good example of what "civilized" societies will do in desperate times.
wiping out entire cities and killing millions of civilians was considered fair.
I don`t think we`ve reached that level of desperation yet in the war on terror but some day we might.

Then how would we be any better than the terrorists? If we willingly kill millions of civilians, how can we even pretend to talk about right & wrong? Who are we to tell other countries they're wrong for human rights abuses when we have no problem killing civilians either?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

What is this nonsense really?

"Better than the terrorists"

That has no meaning in regards to a fight. The point at which you are better is in regards to which society is better not how you fight. Any "modern" nation in this case regardless of causation of the scenario is "better" than portions of the world in which people are functioning under Theocracy, people are genuine oppressed, daily law is Draconian, Science is washed to superstition.

If your genuinely in a fight for your way of life... anything goes. The word Terrorism is stupid. Meant to Demonize... they believe in what IMHO is a dangerous backwards thing in regards to law and society "Religion" and Religion isn't something that can be trusted with Nation State level powers ( Neither should Nation States ) BUT it's at least a few centuries forward and capable (maybe) of handling life in the information age until we improve on it, (some) Religions don't allow for "Evolution" not just as a Genetic theory but of society and thought. What we have has at least a pathetically slow path forward.

No one is "Better" than anyone else when defending their children and way of life... There are irreconcilable cultural differences ones that either group or the other can't live with (and lol, no liberal here can survive Islamic law by behavior)

"Better" just isn't in the picture. I personally wouldn't try to be "better" than anyone wanting to kill me, I rather live.

a reply to: criticalhit

So killing civilians is the answer? Killing your enemies families is the answer? Once again, how is that any better or different than them? Or to put it another way, how can anyone act outraged by terrorist attacks when they advocate the same things?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I don't see it though I hope it will happen.. I'm a vote for anyone but Hillary.

If Sanders gets the nomination he'll easily win the election, especially over someone like Bush or Trump. It all comes down to if you're willing to register as a Democrat and vote for him in your states primary.

originally posted by: Xeven
Every time we kill a terrorist you turn his 10 children against you automaticaly. You can't win a politically corect nice warm fuzy war.

Wars of ideology aren't fought by spilling your opponents blood. They're fought by defeating a civilization economically and spreading your ideology. We are losing the fight against radicalism, and we are losing badly. It's not a battle that can be won with widespread bombs and bullets.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Well thats the point isn't it?

They know no one with vote in another Clinton or Bush.

So what they are doing is putting there insideman (trump) up to act ba# insane but draw enough people to scare the more sane ones. That way come the elections people will vote for the pre-approved clinton and bush out of fear for a trump victory.

Come 2016 TPTB still get there Bush or Clinton on the throne.


Its all a set up. A way to sanitize the bush and Clinton brand.

My thoughts exactly.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: criticalhit

So killing civilians is the answer? Killing your enemies families is the answer? Once again, how is that any better or different than them? Or to put it another way, how can anyone act outraged by terrorist attacks when they advocate the same things?

It's tiring really...

listening to this sort of preachy trendy kind of lies that everyone likes to hear but in the end is such a level of fairy tail it's laughable.

The "terrorists" do what they do to defend their "way of life" and children and families, they believe in what they do, wont give it up nor will their children.

Same goes for us.

Almost every single one of you will do the same albeit maybe in different ways if you come to believe the same level of threat exists for you.

Donald Trump believes that time is already here... personally I think it's still avoidable just have my doubts our governments will handle anything well enough to avoid it later.

But make no mistake, if it escalates up to where people are scared it's the one true we are all the same, if people feel their families need to be safe, there will be nothing "off the table" so to speak... for anyone really.

It's a nice "sentiment" to speak to Westerners 98% of whom have never seen violence personally and where such thoughts "feel" real but those thoughts aren't real to people who have been bombed repeatedly, sure in the West after ONE bomb goes off there are people ho come forward, even victims, with forgiveness it feels like an absurd and strange thing...like lightning struck.

But it took a couple of buildings for the USA to strike back with Millions dead as a result and a few cafes for France and nothing really for Russia.

So let's save the kiddie book stuff for kids, "what should we do" yeah, what will be done in an actual threat is exactly what Trump is saying, that's what people have always done in war... eliminate an enemy.

Really there are only 2 types of people, the ones who fight when threatened and the ones that don't... the reason "enlightened" thinking of the latter sort never takes off is because right from the start those people DIE and all that is left are those who will fight to win.

So leave the fairy tales for kids so they can sleep better while Parents do what parents will do when necessary.

a reply to: Aazadan

Wars of ideology aren't fought by spilling your opponents blood. They're fought by defeating a civilization economically and spreading your ideology. We are losing the fight against radicalism, and we are losing badly. It's not a battle that can be won with widespread bombs and bullets.

Well, they are certainly fighting us successfully by defeating us economically and spreading their ideology locally. Unfortunately I don't see us hurting them economically. And our attempts at spreading our ideology of democracy seems to have failed miserably as well.

So, what's plan B?

-dex