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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
So now that Turkey has given Putin a bloody nose, the Russian propaganda mills are hitting back at Turkey hard. Everyone knew that oil was being smuggled to Turkey, but Russia has yet to implicate the Turkish government. It would be nice if Erdogan ordered an open investigation into the corruption there, but whenever that happens, there is a military coup.
originally posted by: jaws1975
a reply to: MrSpad
The Russians come to the table with evidence of Turkey's complicity in smuggling isis oil and the best you and the others can do is say everyone else is doing it too. Please show evidence that Iran is smuggling isis oil, or keep your defamatory comments to yourself.
Every day that goes by the picture is coming more into focus, and the picture looks like Nato (US) holding hands with Isis. There is virtually no evidence that clears US, Turkey, etc of being in bed with Isis. Token strikes and words don't count.
"We presented evidence how the illegal oil trade is carried out to finance the terrorist groups," Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov said [snip]
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Officials presented photographs and videos that they said show links between Turkey and oil refineries in ISIS-controlled territory in Syria, estimating $3 million worth of oil per day was traversing this route before Russian airstrikes cut that roughly in half. Sergey Rudskoy, one of the military leaders, pointed to "three main routes (that) have been exposed for the transportation of oil to Turkey" -- one ending in Turkish ports on the Mediterranean Sea, another at an oil refinery in Batman and a third in Cizre.
Antonov said "the highest political leadership of the country -- President Erdogan and his family -- are involved in this criminal business," crediting Russian journalists for their reports tying one of Erdogan's sons to a role in the scheme.
If Russia is expecting to come out of this victorious, and not just buying time for themselves ... they better be ready to put EVERYTHING on the line, and I mean EVERYTHING. That INCLUDES, nuclear war ... not because anyone wants a nuclear war, but because THIS IS A GAME OF CHICKEN ... and who wants to chicken out ... loses ... he loses EVERYTHING.
So, Unless the Russians are willing to play HARD BALL ... don't play.
You must not have watched the whole video. Russia has proof Erdogans son is in charge of all Turkeys oil facilities! ALL, so they are the ones in charge and profiting big time from STEALING Syria's oil. Making huge money while funding ISIS to get the job done.
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
Whale, oil, beef, hooked - woo wooda thunk it aye!!!
^^^say those first 4 words slowly, with an Irish accent.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Patriotsrevenge
You must not have watched the whole video. Russia has proof Erdogans son is in charge of all Turkeys oil facilities! ALL, so they are the ones in charge and profiting big time from STEALING Syria's oil. Making huge money while funding ISIS to get the job done.
Let them present the evidence in court instead of on RT.
“We are facing a destructive barbaric ideology again and we have no right to allow those new obscurants to achieve their goals. We have to abandon all differences, create a single fist, a single anti-terrorist front, which would act in accordance with the international law and under the aegis of the United Nations,”
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
It would put NATO right in the spot light as well. And that is never going to happened.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66
It would put NATO right in the spot light as well. And that is never going to happened.
Isn't that what you want?Make it happen. Lobby Putin to bring the evidence up in the UN the way Colin Powell did with Iraq. What is he afraid of? He just said he wants a single front operating through the United Nations.
The arguments that Turkey and by that extension Erdogan is not complicit in this is ridiculous.
They/He are either 1) Invovled heavily themselves in the buying of this oil
2) Willfully ignoring the sale of oil from ISIS within their own boarders or
3) Totally and I mean totally inept at governing their own country to the point of letting the most dangerous people in the world conduct business on and inside their own boarders. Any which way you look at this Erdogan has #ed up royally and doesn't deserve to be in power.
Yes, Putin wants that. But not the US who runs NATO.
You dont want it. because you are a Patriot and dont really care.
You peobably supported the lie the US presented in the UN about Iraq.
You dont want the truth, you want a war.
originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: DJW001
I stand by my statement, he is either too inept to run Turkey or is knowingly allowing this to happen. Russia has stated there is more evidence incoming and I'd wager that it will be something linking either his son Bilal or his son in law. There is more than just "insinuations" as you put it going on here. They have released evidence of tankers moving from ISIS controlled territory in Syria and Iraq going into Turkey. Are you really trying to say that Turkey has no clue this is happening? Evening if it is corrupt boarder gaurds like you are saying, the Turkish government has to know it ia happening. If Russia can see it they can see it.