Not only mars, but Space is an elaborate lie

originally posted by: sociolpath
The moon is obvious through binoculars but it is impossible to determine its correct distance.

People do not need to rely on what they are "told" to find the distance to the moon; anyone could do it with a little math and some clever observation.

Ancient Greek mathematician Aristarchus of Samos in his 3rd century BCE work titled On the Sizes and Distances use geometry and trigonometry to calculate the distance to the Moon by observing lunar eclipses, the apparent size of the Moon in the sky, and the angle between the moon and sun when the moon is at 1/2 phase.

Using this method, he also calculated the sizes of the Earth, Moon, and Sun and their distances from each other. He wasn't exactly right, but his estimates were very close considering the methods he used.

He didn't have someone "telling him" these things; he figured them out himself, just like other people can do.



EDIT TO ADD:

Another method that could be used by anyone to calculate the distance to the moon is "parallax". Two people viewing the moon at the same time from two locations far enough away from each other would see slightly different views of the Moon against the background of stars moon because of the slightly different angles from which they are viewing it (the difference in the star background relative to the moon is tiny, but can be seen).

Again, these are things you can figure out for yourself without relying on what you are calling the big bad Powers That Be.

Don't be a sheeple and think that the only things you can know are what you are taught; figure things out on your own. When you do, you'll find that the Sun, Moon, Earth, planets, and stars are pretty much exactly what science says they are -- which makes sense considering science figured things out on its own using the same methods available to anyone.

if we are to assume a very conservative estimate of 45 seconds per post this thread (101 posts) has now wasted 1.26 man hours
(in reality it is likely many times that)
was it worth it?

a reply to: fartlordsupreme

And how many precious oxygen molecules we have spend supporting you?

A very conservative estimate = A lot too much...

Dumbest thread of the month goes to....

We are all trying to figure out if this guys for real. I haven't had my coffee yet and I can't tell if this is trolling or some serious trust issue.


a reply to: fartlordsupreme

If space is nothing but a gigantic 3d effect projection then why doesn't it ever go blank during a system reboot or firmware update?

backing away slowly from this OP...don't make any sudden movements...

This thread is great example of the saying

"Dont be so open minded that your brain falls out"

Too much ancient observations for any of this thread to hold any water

This thread is gold. Almost as good as the "I found subliminal reptilian propaganda in musclemag" thread from a few years ago.

There are some that believe we are in a hologram universe; a digitally manufactured place. That our perception has more to do with what we believe we conceive than actual reality. When you look at the moon it isn't really there, you only believe it is. Your reality only extends to the limit of your surrounding much like in a video game. In a video game you image a world all around you thought you are limited to a small place of action.

When you talk to people you are talking to life force which is not physical reality. What you think you see and feel are mere perceptions made for the purpose of relating to each other.

So the universe and all that is in it are hologram representations to help us relate to each other and our limited space of perception like a GPS system of orientation.

originally posted by: Fromabove
There are some that believe we are in a hologram universe; a digitally manufactured place.

There is a theory about a holographic universe, but in that theory, it is not an artificially-created hologram (with "someone" running the projector), but rather simply the nature of the universe...

...That is, what we perceive as a 3D universe is actually only 2 dimensions of information -- but that's still just the nature of the universe, and not anything artificial.

a reply to: sociolpath

So let me this straight OP. Basically, because your math is crappy and you can only afford binoculars to look to into space with (big lol here), space is a lie?

K gotcha. Revisit those 13years. Better than seeing them all a waste.

originally posted by: sociolpath

I tried observing stars and "planets" many times through binoculars and cannot see much.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

Making one of your main points to debunk space "can't see stars and planets well with binoculars" completely debunks your theory.

I know, I'm jealous too that the nasa folks/astronomers are way way.... way more intelligent than I am, but don't call them liars just because I can't fully grasp the concept.

a reply to: sociolpath

"Space is an elaborate lie"
Well, it sure is elaborate...

I take it this some whacky high school thesis to test predicted reactions, 1 through 20?
Otherwise, one has fell out of ones tree!

I refuse to stag and flar such buffoonery.

Who starred this OP? Seriously? SMH

originally posted by: Metallicus
Who starred this OP? Seriously? SMH

Maybe someone that thinks stars are not like the Sun?

Or people that think math is wrong and fake.

Or one of the resident ATS drunk posters.

Or someone on Ambien.

a reply to: sociolpath

Nothing is real... it all exists in your head.

The Universe collapsed back into itself immediately after the Big Bang and now it only exists in the universal consciousness..... everything is illusion.

lol....

Higgs Boson seems to prove that the universe doesnt exist

a reply to: sociolpath

The more I read of posts such as this, the more I am convienced Ron White is correct.

You can't cure stupid.

I don't believe the OP or anything, but I did click the clicker, so I'm partially to blame for being here. On better days I wouldn't.

I think some of us come here because, while we have high confidence space and the planets are as we're told by smarter people than ourselves, we have not yet ourselves confirmed what we're told. Mainly this is because we're not as smart or invested as the people who we derive our confidences from. The people who do hte actual science are generally high IQ performers with masters and doctoral degrees who've additionally spent many years in their field of work. Their capacities are beyond our reach, so we must derive much of our conviction from them on faith. Faith leaves open the window to doubt.

Do I believe Obama is real? Of course. I must. But I've never met him. Similarly, I've never actually seen a planet rotate in a telescope. In fact, I only ever looked at Mars and it was a blurry smudge on the lens. Venus just looked like a bright star to me. So in fact I've never "met" a planet. Yet I believe they're there. I must because of the supporting evidences from all of the people in history and at present. To dismiss all of it would be little different than rejecting reality altogether.

I come here for the same reason I sometimes wonder if there's a God. Is everything not as it seems? Is there a wizard behind the curtains running Oz? The kind of questions which might possibly be unanswerable. When one questions reality itself, they're treading close to insanity. The only means to judge your sanity is whether you BELIEVE something which can't be objectively confirmed? For example, if I believe God is real without being able to empirically support it then I do think that's the beginning of insanity. The stronger the conviction the greater the insanity.

Science requires some faith. Faith in reality. Faith in empirical observation. You can't get to the bottom of things more than that. Science is probably the best religion a person can have. This is because it relies on repeatable observations in our shared reality. These observations and our conclusions about them are open to scrutiny. Science can change. Our observations are not subjective! With the right equipment and expertise observations can be repeated by anybody.

Our conclusions about what we observe aren't necessarily true. Science isn't perfect. But science is probably the best illusion of truth.

You only need to question reality itself to see the appeal of the OP or most religions or even philosophy. But since those things are so difficult to empirically prove and are near to insanity, they're tricky.

originally posted by: sociolpath

I do not know how to do CGI, and i am not very good at math. therefore I can find truth about the nature of the universe that anybody in NASA can never imagine.

the logic is rock solid.....

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