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originally posted by: tanka418
Well here is where I'm going to "wax" all scientific on ya son...
I can prove the 11 seconds, you can not prove the loss of a single life due to that mission! So...your statement is kind of empty! Plus, even IF there was the loss of life due to that mission; not a single one would have been in Turkey.
And, NO I do not condone the loss or taking of life under any circumstance.
Perhaps yall should actually think this through! Do we want to allow something like Turkey to plunge us into world war 3? Or do we want to be a little bit more moderate and avoid the bombs...
Here's a prediction; "Turkey will escalate the tensions between them and Russia. A war will start. Turkey will be thrown to the Wolves."
originally posted by: 23432
That pilot was not killing ISIS members but murdering innocent Turkmen civilians . You really need to accept that little fact .
Let's think this thru like you suggest , shall we ?
Russia has violated NATO airspace over 100 times since 2014 . Are you suggesting that NATO can't defend it's airspace ? Or that when it comes to Turks , NATO makes an exception and doesn't want to defend Turks against Russians ?
As for the ww3 aspect ; Russians ain't stupid and they know very well that any escalation will only make things worse . There won't be any overt war between Russia & Turks .
originally posted by: tanka418
originally posted by: yuppa
the russians were forewarned a few times before this shoot down.
maybe they will think this time and be more careful.
Did you know that the Russian plane was on course to the Turkey border for at most 90 seconds? Or that the Russian was 5 miles fro his exit point when he was hit...very much inside Syria.
And no, it won't make the Russians "think" next time...they have already deployed S-400 surface to air missile systems...there is also a guided missile ship near by...if Turkey tries that again they will loose aircraft too, and the whole mess will escalate.
"This is the Turkish airforce, you are aproaching Turkish airspace. Change heading south immediately"
originally posted by: yuppa
The missile was fired in TURKISH airspace. WHich makes it legal. Sorry it just is.
Also IF the russians try to use a S-400 that hits a aircraf tin turkish airspace that does not cross into syria first Russia will have given the ammunition needed for a article 5. They arent that stupid are they? Funny thing about the S-400. if you drop below 100 ft it wont track. easy enough to do in a desert im sure.
article 5
originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge
a reply to: yuppa
LOL, that does not apply when a NATO nation attacks first. What nations or group of nations do you think are going to start a war with Russia over a plane being shot down??
originally posted by: tanka418
originally posted by: yuppa
The missile was fired in TURKISH airspace. WHich makes it legal. Sorry it just is.
No one is arguing the legality of this...Turkey was completely within their rights to shoot the Russian down. What's be argued is the intelligence of the Turkish pilot and government for executing the act.
It was unnecessary, and counter to the fight against ISIS...further, it shows support for ISIS by the Turkish government.
In other words; Turkey was not protecting Turkey in this instance...they were protecting ISIS.
Also IF the russians try to use a S-400 that hits a aircraf tin turkish airspace that does not cross into syria first Russia will have given the ammunition needed for a article 5. They arent that stupid are they? Funny thing about the S-400. if you drop below 100 ft it wont track. easy enough to do in a desert im sure.
Funny thing about the S-400; minimum detecting altitude is stated at 0.010km...that's about 32 feet.
No one is arguing the legality of this...Turkey was completely within their rights to shoot the Russian down. What's be argued is the intelligence of the Turkish pilot and government for executing the act.
Turkey Threatens to Shoot Down Russian Planes that Stray from Syria
He added that Russia had assured Turkey that the airspace violation had been a mistake and would not happen again. Turkish military officials in Moscow were told by Russian officials a “navigation error” had led the pilot to leave Syrian airspace, Turkish media reported.
The ambassador was warned that, should another incident like that happen again, “the Russian Federation will be responsible for any undesired incident that may occur,” a clear warning that Russian jets could come under fire next time.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: tanka418
WHy is that being argued, Turkey had warned Russia in the beginning of Oct. that it would be responsible for their actions if they crossed the border again.
I guess it shows both sides could have done things to keep this from happening, Russia and Turkey need to both chalk this up as a very unfortunate accident, and do their best to keep this from happening again.
Also Russia has said it wouldn't go to war with Turkey because of this...they want to use sanctions against them instead, seems they may have learned something from Ukraine.