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originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: network dude
Yes as I understand it ... Adam Weishaupt was first a Mason before founding the Bavarian Illuminati
It is ironic that so many today look at Church and State as the enemy when so too did the Bavarian Illuminati
... Were they visionary in seeing a future world free of the shackles of state and church ...
originally posted by: Hecate666
I have only recently become interested in Freemasons. I knew all the commonly known things but I wanted to know more.
I am a complete noob about this but what I found brings up more questions than answers.
For one, there is no actually decent information about how to recognise another FM. Those handshakes are merely the bit that is allowed to be seen by everyone but it isn't the only way to discern if the other is a FM or not.
Apparently there are a lot of other subtle 'signs' they use, that we commoners are not aware of and no, you can't find anything online.
The ceremony includes oaths that make you agree to be killed [throat cutting motion] if one leaks secrets. Make of that what you want. I just want to know if this is just a 'relic' left over from the 'olden days' or if it is actually a thread. So what happens to Masons that would spill the beans [serious question]?
I can't see them calling the police and say: "Arrest this man, officer, he told our secret!"
Next I'd like to point out that joining isn't as easy as has been said on here. I highly doubt that anyone over 21 and with a clean record can just become a FM.
It seems that only 'uselful' [read: rich or influential] people are in there. I doubt they have Street Sweeper members, otherwise there would be no point to the whole thing. The whole point is that the rich and influential can help each other out.
I guess its like Street Gangs for the rich, with all the handshakes and signs and brotherhood etc.
I also believe that there are not just the ranks you go up, but two completely separate stratas of FM. One is the public: "Hey ask us anything, we have no secrets", "we are merely a club for the privileged, don't believe all the nonsense" which is probably filled with mediocre rich people to make them feel part of something but is literally nothing you couldn't discuss with anyone. They meet, they have drinks together and discuss business.
The 'proper' strata is where the real FM are. Presidents, Queens and other high level influential people would be. They know stuff that us peasants suspect, but can't prove. This is only my own opinion but at this level, world wide decisions are made and secrets are known that the 'low level, public Masons' will never know.
All this 'going up the ranks' is therefore just a sham. I believe that some WILL go up and others will just be processed AS IF they are going up.
If I was rich, I'd be blooming tempted to join. Sounds fab to have rich friends to help you out and get you good positions in jobs and make sure you are never in real trouble. As I said, the poor version are Street Gangs or the Mafia. Only that they have less 'secrets' and shoot each other more openly.
Yep, and the key was, they weren't anti-religion, they were anti-religious control.
originally posted by: Hecate666
I have only recently become interested in Freemasons. I knew all the commonly known things but I wanted to know more.
I am a complete noob about this but what I found brings up more questions than answers.
For one, there is no actually decent information about how to recognise another FM. Those handshakes are merely the bit that is allowed to be seen by everyone but it isn't the only way to discern if the other is a FM or not.
Apparently there are a lot of other subtle 'signs' they use, that we commoners are not aware of and no, you can't find anything online.
The ceremony includes oaths that make you agree to be killed [throat cutting motion] if one leaks secrets. Make of that what you want. I just want to know if this is just a 'relic' left over from the 'olden days' or if it is actually a thread. So what happens to Masons that would spill the beans [serious question]?
I can't see them calling the police and say: "Arrest this man, officer, he told our secret!"
The whole point is that the rich and influential can help each other out.
I guess its like Street Gangs for the rich, with all the handshakes and signs and brotherhood etc.
I also believe that there are not just the ranks you go up, but two completely separate stratas of FM. One is the public: "Hey ask us anything, we have no secrets", "we are merely a club for the privileged, don't believe all the nonsense" which is probably filled with mediocre rich people to make them feel part of something but is literally nothing you couldn't discuss with anyone. They meet, they have drinks together and discuss business.
The 'proper' strata is where the real FM are. Presidents, Queens and other high level influential people would be. They know stuff that us peasants suspect, but can't prove. This is only my own opinion but at this level, world wide decisions are made and secrets are known that the 'low level, public Masons' will never know.
If I was rich, I'd be blooming tempted to join. Sounds fab to have rich friends to help you out and get you good positions in jobs and make sure you are never in real trouble.
Just a boys club wanting to escape their other halfs while doing a bit of good in the community.
originally posted by: real_one
a reply to: boymonkey74
Just a boys club wanting to escape their other halfs while doing a bit of good in the community.
You consider diddling little kids a good deed?
Have you forgotten Hollie Greig?
I highly doubt that anyone over 21 and with a clean record can just become a FM.
I doubt they have Street Sweeper members, otherwise there would be no point to the whole thing.
The whole point is that the rich and influential can help each other out.
I also believe that there are not just the ranks you go up, but two completely separate stratas of FM.
The 'proper' strata is where the real FM are. Presidents, Queens and other high level influential people would be.
This is only my own opinion but at this level, world wide decisions are made and secrets are known that the 'low level, public Masons' will never know.
All this 'going up the ranks' is therefore just a sham.
Their "good deeds" are smoke and mirrors.
A local Lodge is rumored to be connected to some nasty stuff I rather not type and the rumors come from numerous, reliable sources.
And their symbolism...
It's everywhere.