Independent Media Censored Because Of New Law (We Are Change)

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: Metallicus
Europeans don't have the same respect for individual liberty as Americans. They also don't have a Constitution that guarantees free speech.

That's one of the most ignorant things I have ever seen on all my 11 years on ATS.

You don't seem to value individual liberty over across the pond. You embrace Socialism and Collectivism which are anathema to the individual. The entire idea of the EU is disgusting...allowing a bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels to rule over you.

We aren't free here either, but you have it worse in my opinion.

a reply to: eluryh22

Hello Thank You for your reply.

I know its not the same We Are Change. But on occasions ATS does publish news and although not news site rightly or wrongly I use it as a source of news

Happy Day to you

Its always harder to give back freedom than it is to take away.

Police in France have been given huge new powers including the ability to put people under house arrest without trial and to block websites.

France's parliament has extended the country's state of emergency for three months, allowing authorities to get access to huge powers that date back to 1955. The state of emergency was declared on Saturday, just after attacks that left 129 people dead.

Such a decision gives the police powers including the ability to keep people in their homes without trial, searching the homes of people without a warrant from a judge, and the power to block any website that is deemed a problem.

Rights groups have worried that the decision could become permanent, allowing for the extension of authorities' powers into normal life. But the French government said that such powers were necessary.

Link

The attack was already enough to make the people of France feel powerless. This is just another slap in the face.

Earlier this week, the Interior Minister of France — with no court review or adversarial process — ordered five websites to not only be blocked in France, but that anyone who visits any of the sites get redirected to a scary looking government website.

France blocks five sites accused of condoning terrorism

This is what they're going to run into:

a reply to: eisegesis

Its always harder to give back freedom than it is to take away.

I agree! and Freedom is not something we should ever take for granted it is something that needs to fought for from generation to generation.

a reply to: purplemer

I was actually pondering forming a thread to ask this question... but this seems like as good a place as any to ask....

Has ATS ever "broken" a story? Let alone something deemed "top secret." But anything at all?

In reaction to this development, I feel like my post in another thread is relevant...

Either way you slice terrorism, restrictions on citizens tend to follow attacks, essentially making terrorists an extention of the government.

And this is validated by the thread on the front page detailing why the US is protecting/lying about ISIS, solely for oil/money. Go figure, I know, but get use to it unless citizens want to trade protection for higher gas prices (which increases prices on everything delivered by gas-powered machines - EVERYTHING)

There are always trade-offs... Decisions made for us that, in reality, we dont want to make.

Sure, there are different ways to get to a certain point, but world governments know few things better than war, money and deception.

Welcome to the 'adult' table.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: purplemer

Europeans don't have the same respect for individual liberty as Americans. They also don't have a Constitution that guarantees free speech. Unfortunately these things can happen when an Authoritarian government puts the needs of 'society' above the rights of the individual.

Which is why we should all be educating one another on these siuations, friends and family etc.. while we still can to avoid such situations from happening.

Though we cant ignore the large elephant in the room, we are surely next . They may leave the U.S for last, but once other countries are disabled, the elite will move on to the big target, us.

Remember, the elite are mostly foreign entities that are most likely framing the U.S. We are being setup for something as a nation. And i feel it in my gut that we should all be preparing and alerting people.

a reply to: purplemer

Now I know why France no longer has monarchy.
Without a king to behead they just walk around bumping
into each other or what?

a reply to: purplemer

I can't watch the video and can't find anything online about what they are actually saying to get banned.

Anyone know what 'We Are Change' are actually suggesting?

originally posted by: purplemer
Hello ATSers!

The Alternative news site We Are Change has taken down in France in a response to the terror attacks.

We Are Change is a nonpartisan, independent media organization comprised of individuals and groups working to expose corruption worldwide. Founded by Luke Rudkowski, We Are Change is comprised of independent journalists, concerned citizens, activists, and anyone who wants to shape the direction our world is going in.

We seek to expose the lies of governments and the corporate elite who constantly trash our humanity. By asking the hard questions the mainstream media refuses to ask, we shine a little more light on trut

wearechange.org...

Does not sound that different to ATS really with the type of news it reports.

Dunno about that! This site Link reported several months ago that the PTB have hacked real truth sites and fixed things so new and regular visitors to the site will see the same content on the front page all the time. Even the owner wont know that its happening unless they log in from another computer.

The idea is to turn away new and regular visitors thinking the site has died.

The owner of the blog specifically stated that ATS has nothing to fear in this regard. This blokes blogs front page has not changed since that time and thats why the owner makes a point of saying in the first line of text that 'if this page looks the same as yesterday, press the refresh button."

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: Metallicus
Europeans don't have the same respect for individual liberty as Americans. They also don't have a Constitution that guarantees free speech.

That's one of the most ignorant things I have ever seen on all my 11 years on ATS.

I think the point Metallicus was making is some what true actually. The US was founded by people with a deep respect for individual freedom so the US does tend to have much more respect for personal liberty than most other developed nations, especially certain nations in the EU and the Commonwealth. People who live in the US tend to take it for granted because they don't know what it's like to live in a place with a more nannying type of government.

Here in Australia our government does things which would never happen in the US. For example the new cigarette packaging laws would never be accepted in the US. If you think that is a stupid example just do a Google image search for australia cigarette packaging and you will know what I mean. Just last night there was a news story about how the new laws have helped reduce incidents of teen smoking and then at the end of the report they were like "but it's still not enough, we need to place more taxes on cigarettes to stop more people smoking".

Now, you might be thinking Australia sounds really awesome for being so progressive but we already have some of the worlds highest cigarette prices because they are already so overtaxed! They've been consistently compounding the amount of taxes on cigarettes for the last 5 years or more. It seems to me they should either make cigarettes illegal or just deal with the fact people are going to smoke. Taking this hypocritical position where they make money on selling cigarettes and yet take an extreme anti-smoking stance with disturbing graphic packaging is ridiculous.

People in the US are a lot less likely to accept crap like this, they are more likely to give people the personal freedom to smoke if that's what they choose to do, without constantly trying to nanny them. That's why the US is actually one of the most progressive nations on Earth when it comes to legalization of marijuana for recreational use. There is hardly a nation on Earth where it's actually legal to buy and smoke marijuana for recreational use. Even in EU nations where it's not really a crime, it's still technically a crime and there is a lot of legal loopholes being exploited.

Weed and cigarettes might seem like weak arguing points, but I actually think they are perfect examples to focus on because they highlight the difference between a government which respects our individual freedom to make our own choices and a government which thinks it knows what's better for us than we do and thinks it should have power over our lives to protect us from ourselves. In summary, citizens of the United States shouldn't take for granted the ideals their nation was founded upon, straying from those ideals in the name of the greater good will pave the path to hell.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: Metallicus
Europeans don't have the same respect for individual liberty as Americans. They also don't have a Constitution that guarantees free speech.

That's one of the most ignorant things I have ever seen on all my 11 years on ATS.

I think the point Metallicus was making is some what true actually. The US was founded by people with a deep respect for individual freedom so the US does tend to have much more respect for personal liberty than most other developed nations, especially certain nations in the EU and the Commonwealth. People who live in the US tend to take it for granted because they don't know what it's like to live in a place with a more nannying type of government.

Here in Australia our government does things which would never happen in the US. For example the new cigarette packaging laws would never be accepted in the US. If you think that is a stupid example just do a Google image search for australia cigarette packaging and you will know what I mean. Just last night there was a news story about how the new laws have helped reduce incidents of teen smoking and then at the end of the report they were like "but it's still not enough, we need to place more taxes on cigarettes to stop more people smoking".

Now, you might be thinking Australia sounds really awesome for being so progressive but we already have some of the worlds highest cigarette prices because they are already so overtaxed! They've been consistently compounding the amount of taxes on cigarettes for the last 5 years or more. It seems to me they should either make cigarettes illegal or just deal with the fact people are going to smoke. Taking this hypocritical position where they make money on selling cigarettes and yet take an extreme anti-smoking stance with disturbing graphic packaging is ridiculous.

People in the US are a lot less likely to accept crap like this, they are more likely to give people the personal freedom to smoke if that's what they choose to do, without constantly trying to nanny them. That's why the US is actually one of the most progressive nations on Earth when it comes to legalization of marijuana for recreational use. There is hardly a nation on Earth where it's actually legal to buy and smoke marijuana for recreational use. Even in EU nations where it's not really a crime, it's still technically a crime and there is a lot of legal loopholes being exploited.

Weed and cigarettes might seem like weak arguing points, but I actually think they are perfect examples to focus on because they highlight the difference between a government which respects our individual freedom to make our own choices and a government which thinks it knows what's better for us than we do and thinks it should have power over our lives to protect us from ourselves. In summary, citizens of the United States shouldn't take for granted the ideals their nation was founded upon, straying from those ideals in the name of the greater good will pave the path to hell.

Great post...

I always thought you were American ...that will teach me to jump to conclusions....

a reply to: purplemer

Ok, well France could do that I guess. How come you didn't address the second half of my post?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

PS: Your primary source is the website itself complaining that they were censored. Why don't you think that such a source is biased? Do you think that we are change are going to list the full truth as to why they were censored? Because I certainly don't. I cannot find any additional sources to confirm that this is true, so I'm saying this is either a hoax or we are change are hiding somethin

Hello sorry for not replying properly i was sleepy yesterday when i posted. I use the site and think it is good i dont really know why they would be being untruthful but i guess they could be.

Happy days to you

a reply to: and14263

They are suggesting that that France is using laws to take websites offline which do not follow the official story of events. They have in the past done some really good stuff on 911.

a reply to: purplemer
Thanks for the reply. I was just wondering what WAC's story was. I've done some good reading on it so am informed now

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: NihilistSanta

That freaked me out as well.

They were good little trained minions over there in Brussels. SMH.

Same training as those in Boston it seems....

a reply to: purplemer

I've, personally, never heard of the site so I cannot vouch for their credibility. I just find it interesting that if this is a problem across France with France censoring websites like this, why is the only source for this one of the websites that was censored? Doesn't that seem fishy to you? To me, it sounds like there has to be more going on here and the whole story isn't being reported. I could be wrong, but it makes more sense to trust an independent source rather than one of the aggrieved sources.

a reply to: crazyewok

You must have missed all of the amateur investigators analyzing hundreds/thousands of photos on sites like 4chan. Literally everyone with a back pack was scrutinized so I don't see much of a comparison.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It should be easily verifiable by any French posters. I even think there is a way you can check without being in France through some ip trace service. If any French posters care to verify that would be great. I looked into it and even though they tried to also make it illegal to attempt to access blocked sites that proposal was shot down. France was shutting down "terror related" websites in March of this year so not hard to imagine it happening now.