Theocrat Cruz Indoctrinating Kids in Iowa

I see the fear mongering crowd is out: "OH NOZ!!!! He said something bad about Obama! OMG! He spoke about religious stuff in a Christian school! OMFG!!!!"


Theocracy.....right.

First, you'd need to get just about everyone on board: all three branches of the government. When was the last time that happened?

Never going to happen. Too many people with too many different views get elected or appointed. It's that amazing part of our government that is full of checks and balances, and with laws already in place to keep that from happening (unless of course the will of the people is that).

Why am I not surprised to see the Left screaming intolerant things? Apparently the ideals of being tolerant of other people, the way they look, they way they think, what they believe in is only tolerated by the Left as long as it conforms to THEIR way of thinking.......

And you all want to call the Right "racists" and "bigots" ????

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

He is spreading lies. The kids are hearing lies that their parents, too, believe.
That's okay with you?

Yes, all beliefs are tolerated by the Left EXCEPT LIES. Damned lies.

And I've already explained a simple formula for implementing a theocracy. Where there's a will and a legion of onward marching "Christian Soldiers", there's a way.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

It's a story and jokes.

AFAIK all stories and jokes are lies.

But of course the Left: "Think of the CHILDREN!!!"

Darn....guess we should ban Cat In The Hat......or Santa Clause?

Seriously though, the left is only upset because their god Obama had bad things said about him.

BLASPHEMY!

originally posted by: TerminalVelocity
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

It's a story and jokes.

AFAIK all stories and jokes are lies.

Well you need to expand your knowledge of comedy then, because there is a LOT of sincerity within comedy too.

But of course the Left: "Think of the CHILDREN!!!"

Darn....guess we should ban Cat In The Hat......or Santa Clause?

Teaching kids about Santa Clause (your argument about cat in the hat is dumb since that is a story book and I haven't met many parents who teach it to kids like it is real) isn't the same as scoring partisan political points with a bunch of onlooking parents so as to indoctrinate their kids into repeating those same lies.

Seriously though, the left is only upset because their god Obama had bad things said about him.

BLASPHEMY!

Ya god forbid we respect our partisan opponents or anything... I bet people such as yourself actively wonder out loud about our failing political process too, not realizing that your sarcastic dismissal of the OP's points here is contributing to the dysfunction in Washington.

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

Nope, wrong on all counts.

First of all, I'm not "mad", I'm disgusted. Second of all, the Bible Stories these kids are told are lies, too.
Telling voters that Obama is a Muslim commie not even born here, and that the USA was founded as a "Christian nation" - more lies. And listeners believe those lies because they're gullible, not well educated, and inundated with those lies from all sides.

Aren't we supposed to be "denying ignorance" here? Well, your boy Teddy is TAKING ADVANTAGE of ignorance and he is lying (yuk-yuk.) The kiddies see all the grownups agreeing and laughing - and think, "Well, if it's what Mommy and Daddy think, it must be true."

Tell, me Velocity - do you have children?

a reply to: NihilistSanta

A theocracy is "a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god." Google Search

In order for Ted Cruz to 'convert' the American Constitutional System into a theocracy, he would have to become a priest before he became president. He would also have to have a congress that would share his ideology and support all legislation that would allow him and a group of priests to become the official governing body of the United States.

I feel that most people here are not referring to this type of government when they claim men like Cruz are attempting to create a theocracy. Instead, IMHO, I feel they are representing a fear of an extremists ideology becoming a pervasive thought in a country that then, with the majority of the countries consent, amended the constitution to create a totalitarian state.

If you think that something like that is impossible then I must refer you to the history of Germany during the 1920s and 30s. The National Socialist party was a small radical group with no real shot of taking over the German government in 1920, but by the late 1930s they were the major political party in the country and elected Hitler of their own free will. Hitler then had the German congress enact laws that provided him with absolute power for life... all done with the blessing of a majority of the German people.

Just to further show how much this sounds like NAZI propaganda I cite: "Hitler never portrayed himself and the Nazi movement to the German people as outspoken proponents of atheism, but rather as faithful Christians.[24][25] He publicly declared: "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian." Wikipedia

We must eradicate this kind of ideology through the use of education. Remember knowledge is power.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Sure. From both sides.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

So only leftist, secular atheism should be allowed to be talked about by candidates? I believe you are making a big deal out of nothing, but by all means...continue if it makes you feel better to be upset about something so trivial.

a reply to: hubrisinxs

Hey, welcome to ATS! I'm glad this thread prompted you to make your first post.


Thank you for adding to the collective intellect and reason that we try to nurture here.

Sounds like a case of a politician being a politician to me. I would be more fearful of the parents, whom are responsible for teaching their children in matters of fact, as I doubt they would have corrected Mr. Cruz at any time.

a reply to: Metallicus

It isn't trivial, Metallicus, but if you think so, why did you bother posting?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I have a LOT of children and some grandchildren.

My kids were exposed to all sorts of stuff. Now they they are grown, some lean Left, some lean Right. Both are successful what they do in life.

My 3 oldest went to Sunday School as kids with their great-grandmother. None of them run around acting like what some around here (that lean Left) would think.

All of them have heard rants, lies, stories, comedy and many other things about the leaders in our country.....and yet, they still function just fine in society and even make informed choices.

The only ones that act scared, are over protective of their children and pretty much want them to live in a bubble are those that lean Left.

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

The only ones that act scared, are over protective of their children and pretty much want them to live in a bubble are those that lean Left.

Well, if you think that, you believe another lie.

Congrats on raising kids who are able to be critical free-thinkers.
I despair that the kids in Iowa will not be treated to the same educational standards.

I have two kids - raised secular, but exposed to religion. Neither are religious. Both are able to think critically, and know how to investigate to find the truth.

a reply to: Metallicus

How about NO religion should be talked about by candidates? Who said anything about atheism?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Metallicus

It isn't trivial, Metallicus, but if you think so, why did you bother posting?

Because I wanted to make sure YOU knew I thought it was trivial.

a reply to: Metallicus

Oh! Well done then.

By the way, I am a secular humanist non-atheist.

originally posted by: charolais

originally posted by: Foderalover
The evangelical thing was always one reason I don't like him to be running for president. The other day on camera he said that mosques are illegal in Japan, so like an idiot I repeated that without researching it and he made me look like a bigger fool than I was to repeat anything he says, mosques are not illegal in Japan and thanks to the ATSer that corrected me. Mosques were at one time illegal but not now so he was wrong. TRUMP 2016 !

But Trump wants to make Mosques illegal and put them on watch lists....?

Not illegal and only SOME . Lets get it right....And I agree.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Metallicus

How about NO religion should be talked about by candidates? Who said anything about atheism?

If religion is part of who someone is then they have a right to talk about it...even if they are a candidate. I know that I don't want to vote an Atheist into office so I like to know if I have a belief in God in common with a candidate.

I should say vote ANOTHER Atheist in to office because Obama ACTS like a secular atheist even if he pretends to worship God. Actions speak louder than words.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Metallicus

Oh! Well done then.

By the way, I am a secular humanist non-atheist.

Does a secular humanist believe in God?

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

So only leftist, secular atheism should be allowed to be talked about by candidates? I believe you are making a big deal out of nothing, but by all means...continue if it makes you feel better to be upset about something so trivial.

No, ALL religious speech should be seen as nothing more than a personal opinion of the speaker. With the establishment clause, the federal government promises not to establish a national religion, yet the constitution does not express that individuals must hold a religious belief or not.

Any candidate who openly admits being an atheist should be watched with as much scrutiny as Cruz. The OP is not attacking Cruz for his personal belief but because he is adding disinformation to the general public. It is the language that Cruz uses which indirectly supports a social Darwinist's point of view that I have a problem with, not his Christianity.

Faith and Morality are meaningless without Free Will.