Islam Call To Prayer In America

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Seriously though.

People are dying and starving and suffering all over the world and it seems like all some people want to do is search for things to be more fearful or irate or threatened over...granted that that fear and threatening is coming at them from all directions and it is a semi-natural reaction. These things though, for the most part, there are already remedies and processes for resolution in place for, resolution that makes more sense than whining about it online and adding to the useless churn about relatively trivial issues.

Exactly.. Muslims,Islam= new world doom porn.

I'm not so sure that's true, Kapusta. To some degree, yes. I can see that. At the same time, the OP has a point. I see a trend of people who normally blast Christianity for the same things, they are now giving Islam a free pass for. I see Islam as potentially the new protected and privileged class in America. Christianity is going to take a beating, not just on these boards, but across America.

For myself, I plan to remain true to my convictions, applying the same measure to one, that I do to the other. I won't intentionally play the hypocrite on this debate.

a reply to: sirlancelot

So you speak fluent Arabic?

Assuming you were actually in Dearborn or Hamtramck that is?

Would you understand the words of the Adhan?

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
This is developing into a classic 2 dogs fighting over a bone while a 3rd grabs it and runs off. Soon all religious expressions will be banned from public places. The winner will be psychiatry lead by the atheists/feminists/LGBTers. Funny thing they have apps too to remind the follower/patient when to take their drugs, several times a day, just like prayer!

What do you mean soon. It already is happening. Christmas celebrations are being banned all over. No christmas tree, no carols, even saying Merry Xmas is taboo in some places.

Since when are you not allowed to pratice these things inside your house.?

I wasn't referencing that! I was referencing what is done in public. Schools, Cities, Businesses, Govt facilties, and Military are all having to modify the old norms of Christmas with the PC version called Holidays. Have plenty of links to support this!

Ok this issue has nothing to do with Islam.

Perhaps it has more to do with people who choose not to follow religions.

a reply to: Klassified

I know you're speaking to Kapusta ... but ... what hypocrisy are you referring to?

Specifically?

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Seriously though.

People are dying and starving and suffering all over the world and it seems like all some people want to do is search for things to be more fearful or irate or threatened over...granted that that fear and threatening is coming at them from all directions and it is a semi-natural reaction. These things though, for the most part, there are already remedies and processes for resolution in place for, resolution that makes more sense than whining about it online and adding to the useless churn about relatively trivial issues.

Exactly.. Muslims,Islam= new world doom porn.

I'm not so sure that's true, Kapusta. To some degree, yes. I can see that. At the same time, the OP has a point. I see a trend of people who normally blast Christianity for the same things, they are now giving Islam a free pass for. I see Islam as potentially the new protected and privileged class in America. Christianity is going to take a beating, not just on these boards, but across America.

For myself, I plan to remain true to my convictions, applying the same measure to one, that I do to the other. I won't intentionally play the hypocrite on this debate.

What privilege do we have that other religions don't have?

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
This is developing into a classic 2 dogs fighting over a bone while a 3rd grabs it and runs off. Soon all religious expressions will be banned from public places. The winner will be psychiatry lead by the atheists/feminists/LGBTers. Funny thing they have apps too to remind the follower/patient when to take their drugs, several times a day, just like prayer!

What do you mean soon. It already is happening. Christmas celebrations are being banned all over. No christmas tree, no carols, even saying Merry Xmas is taboo in some places.

Since when are you not allowed to pratice these things inside your house.?

I wasn't referencing that! I was referencing what is done in public. Schools, Cities, Businesses, Govt facilties, and Military are all having to modify the old norms of Christmas with the PC version called Holidays. Have plenty of links to support this!

And are the calls to prayer allowed at any of these places? Barring the (privately owned) businesses, which doesn't belong on your list there.

Ahh the old.. I can force my relgion onto you chestnut. The call to prayer is a violation of the constitutions seperation of church and state. Even town leaderships have to abide by state laws. Its recognizing one relgion over another by allowing it to be broadcast openly and violates others religious freedom by forcing them to listen to it as well. The ACLU needs to be alerted to this problem immediatly.

Also to be fair the Churchs also need to stop ringing their bells too. Thie is a POLITICAL town council who are violating the seperation of church and state laws. Even town councils have to abid eby this law.

originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
The winner will be psychiatry lead by the atheists/feminists/LGBTers.

Nope, can't be psychiatry because: Scientology.

And of course, the general religious antipathy toward science.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Who said the famous words "can't we all just get along" ....:p

originally posted by: yuppa
Ahh the old.. I can force my relgion onto you chestnut. The call to prayer is a violation of the constitutions seperation of church and state. Even town leaderships have to abide by state laws. Its recognizing one relgion over another by allowing it to be broadcast openly and violates others religious freedom by forcing them to listen to it as well. The ACLU needs to be alerted to this problem immediatly.

So, no more church bells, no more signs outside churches telling me I'm going to hell if I don't come in? No more missionaries going door-to-door?

How, that seems harsh. I for one am for the religious freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution ... for all of us.

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
This is developing into a classic 2 dogs fighting over a bone while a 3rd grabs it and runs off. Soon all religious expressions will be banned from public places. The winner will be psychiatry lead by the atheists/feminists/LGBTers. Funny thing they have apps too to remind the follower/patient when to take their drugs, several times a day, just like prayer!

What do you mean soon. It already is happening. Christmas celebrations are being banned all over. No christmas tree, no carols, even saying Merry Xmas is taboo in some places.

Since when are you not allowed to pratice these things inside your house.?

I wasn't referencing that! I was referencing what is done in public. Schools, Cities, Businesses, Govt facilties, and Military are all having to modify the old norms of Christmas with the PC version called Holidays. Have plenty of links to support this!

Ok this issue has nothing to do with Islam.

Perhaps it has more to do with people who choose not to follow religions.

I disagree, the Adhan is the Muslim "call to prayer" correct? Does any other religion use the adhan? No.

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: Gryphon66

Who said the famous words "can't we all just get along" ....:p

Perfect point.

I notice that many who regularly trumpet their belief in "live and let live" only see that as applying to others.

It's really simple: "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Someone kinda famous supposedly said that too ... who was it now ... ?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: yuppa
Ahh the old.. I can force my relgion onto you chestnut. The call to prayer is a violation of the constitutions seperation of church and state. Even town leaderships have to abide by state laws. Its recognizing one relgion over another by allowing it to be broadcast openly and violates others religious freedom by forcing them to listen to it as well. The ACLU needs to be alerted to this problem immediatly.

So, no more church bells, no more signs outside churches telling me I'm going to hell if I don't come in? No more missionaries going door-to-door?

How, that seems harsh. I for one am for the religious freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution ... for all of us.

Funny i was just about to edit my post to reflect they should stop ringing church bells as well. but your emissing th epoint. its the TOWN LEADERSHIP a POLITICAL PARTY violating the seperation clause.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Well...where I live, there is a majority Christian population, and I hear church bells ringing all day long. I don't begrudge their bells or get irate about them and even enjoy them. There is no harm there. Just respect.

.

Where do you live where bells are rung all day
I am a Christian and that would drive me insane

Where do you live, I won't visit your town

As for he Muslim call to prayer, no thanks.

Been reading all those opposed to the Lord's Prayer at the movies, though the Muslims yelling in the street.
Hypocrisy

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: Kapusta

Think the objection would be towards the noise several times a day.

No it isn't. His objection likely stems from a false belief in a war against Christianity in the US and a further false belief that Muslims are being given preferential treatment. As evidence of this, he presented a 3 year old article about atheists protesting against religious displays at the Santa Monica Town Hall and a 5 year old article about a school district prohibiting non-secular Christmas carols.

Here's the thing — the atheists in Santa Monica don't want any religion's decorations on display in front of publicly owned buildings and the schools aren't banning O Holy Night and allowing religious songs from other religions.

In a bit of perverse irony, this Halloween we had threads about how Halloween was being "banned from schools" as an attack on Christianity despite the fact that in the past, it's been Christian churches and groups who have been calling for the prohibition in schools because of Halloween's pagan origins.

a reply to: sirlancelot

I happen to live across from a church and a couple blocks from a fire hall. Not only do we get church bells, we get a blaring siren to call the volunteer firefighters in whenever the firehouse has to respond. If you're unfamiliar, it sounds a bit like an air raid siren only more shrill.

I don't complain about the noise because it's a minor thing. I don't complain when the people of the church across the street stand on the sidewalk with a PA system and sermonize and have kids holding signs that say "Honk if you love Jesus" or some such. Both of those things are highly annoying but they only do it maybe 6-8x a year, usually for a 3-4 hours on a Saturday afternoon.

I don't complain because being part of a healthy society involves things like tolerating minor annoyances and exposure to things you might not always agree with. As long as they're not banning or not allowing church bells (which I'm assuming they didn't/haven't), then there's no real issue here.

You're conflating the secularizing of publicly owned institutions (which favors no religion) with the unrelated issue of an audible call to prayer from a mosque.

How about a government-approved Generic, religiously all-inclusive 'Call to Prayer' broadcast EVERY day, 5x per day?
Something with cowbells would be nice.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: sirlancelot

So you have objection to people being called to pray to god?

i do. non-believers shouldn't have that crap rammed down their ear-holes uninvited. and by 'non-believers' i include all faiths, as they are all equally bogus.

Totally agree. Would hate it as much as I hate being subjected to someones 2nd hand smoke.

a reply to: sirlancelot

You don't seem to understand...

Public places, schools, government buildings... No

Anywhere else, or private places that decide so... Yes



That's the simplicity of this.


Now if it's too loud and becomes a public disorder offence, that can change things...

But without complaints to the council nothing will be done.



So maybe contact them rather than discussing it here...


Unless your plan is to drag up the Christmas argument again to discuss.



Note; it has been discussed, myriad of times...

Always with the same outcome...

For the answer to such, read the first 3 lines again.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Klassified

I know you're speaking to Kapusta ... but ... what hypocrisy are you referring to?

Specifically?

There have been several posts by members recently, that in my opinion, had the topic been about Christianity, they would have ripped into them. But because it was Muslim related, they took the opposite stance. I won't point them out, as it isn't proper and could be un-T&C friendly. If I could even find them. My point being, there is a double standard taking shape. You know me. I dislike the Abrahamic religions equally. So I'm not picking on anyone. It's just an observation. If I'm going to take Christianity to task, I'm not going to pull punches on Islam either.

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Seriously though.

People are dying and starving and suffering all over the world and it seems like all some people want to do is search for things to be more fearful or irate or threatened over...granted that that fear and threatening is coming at them from all directions and it is a semi-natural reaction. These things though, for the most part, there are already remedies and processes for resolution in place for, resolution that makes more sense than whining about it online and adding to the useless churn about relatively trivial issues.

Exactly.. Muslims,Islam= new world doom porn.

I'm not so sure that's true, Kapusta. To some degree, yes. I can see that. At the same time, the OP has a point. I see a trend of people who normally blast Christianity for the same things, they are now giving Islam a free pass for. I see Islam as potentially the new protected and privileged class in America. Christianity is going to take a beating, not just on these boards, but across America.

For myself, I plan to remain true to my convictions, applying the same measure to one, that I do to the other. I won't intentionally play the hypocrite on this debate.

What privilege do we have that other religions don't have?

None that I know of...yet.