Islam Call To Prayer In America

a reply to: Flatfish

So, religious freedom for others but only until it irritates us a bit?

Oh my, may I also apply that standard? Please. LOL

Honestly, I'm not sure I get your concern ... is it personal (you don't like it) or general (American mosques shouldn't be able to issue the Call to Prayer)?

The Call to Atheism is all around you, waiting patiently, no coercion, no threats of violence.

Matters not your previously held belief

Free yourself, from yourself.

We can invent holidays together, Atheist still enjoy time off!

Religions are like fiat currencies.

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: sirlancelot

Question 5: Do you live in Hamtrack or Dearborn?

No I do not!

Question 7: So you really have no reasonable concern about the issue you're presenting?

I.e. you won't hear the call to prayer? So you want to be able to control others, just on general principles?

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: sirlancelot

So you have objection to people being called to pray to god?

i do. non-believers shouldn't have that crap rammed down their ear-holes uninvited. and by 'non-believers' i include all faiths, as they are all equally bogus.

Yeah i feel the same when missionaries come knocking at my door once a week....

Live and let live.

originally posted by: Lysergic

Free yourself, from yourself.

That's fairly profound and accurate in light of the comment you're making.

I'd like to quote you in the future.

a reply to: Kapusta

In all honesty how often is it happening?

I haven't had the oppurtunity to troll a door to door religious salesman in yeaaaaaars.

Last was those Mormons with their 7ft tall blonde hair green eyed super jesus. I think they ended up leaving me some sort of DVD cuz end times ya know.

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: sirlancelot

So you have objection to people being called to pray to god?

I have an objection with the Muslim call to prayer in American Cities. Most cities and towns in America have sound ordinances yet in these towns they where changed to allow for the call to prayer.

As Choudary puts it ‘The main purpose behind the multiple loud pronouncements of Adhan in every mosque is to make available to everyone an easily intelligible summary of Islamic belief.
‘It is intended to bring to the mind of every believer and non-believer the substance of Islamic beliefs, or its spiritual ideology. In modern times, loudspeakers have been installed on minarets for this purpose.’

So therein lies my issue. I have no problems with Muslims practicing their faith, but I have a problem with them pushing their message over a loud speaker 5 times a day!

Ohh the ironey in your statement.

Are you seriously quoting that scumbag Choundry ?
He's a moron and has pissed off many Muslims he's an extremist who has no credible credentials in Islamic study.

So essentially what your saying is "pratice your religion ,but do it how we tell you " ....

Lame thread 'lame argument.

No I'm saying that practice your faith but don't project it out to the public over a loud speaker 5 times a day! Seriously we have cell phones and watches so any muslim should be well aware of what prayer time is. Why force non beleivers to be offended by it in a public space?

And church bells ring, what, 12 times a day? Yeah. Have you heard some church bells? Good question then, why do we force non-believers to be offended in a public space?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Sounds like as an atheist, everyone needs to respect my "safe space" hahaha, we've come round full circle, thank you SJW jack asses.

For the record, I think that stopping all Christmas Carols is kinda dumb as well. Many of them are non-religious in nature.

Jingle Bells
Silver Bells
White Christmas (Duh, "Christ")
Winter Wonderland ... etc.

I'm as non-religious as they come, but, there is a point that what was a religious holiday is merely a social event.

So long as kids aren't being made to participate in Jesus worship by the Schools ... /shrug.

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: sirlancelot

So you have objection to people being called to pray to god?

I have an objection with the Muslim call to prayer in American Cities. Most cities and towns in America have sound ordinances yet in these towns they where changed to allow for the call to prayer.

As Choudary puts it ‘The main purpose behind the multiple loud pronouncements of Adhan in every mosque is to make available to everyone an easily intelligible summary of Islamic belief.
‘It is intended to bring to the mind of every believer and non-believer the substance of Islamic beliefs, or its spiritual ideology. In modern times, loudspeakers have been installed on minarets for this purpose.’

So therein lies my issue. I have no problems with Muslims practicing their faith, but I have a problem with them pushing their message over a loud speaker 5 times a day!

Ohh the ironey in your statement.

Are you seriously quoting that scumbag Choundry ?
He's a moron and has pissed off many Muslims he's an extremist who has no credible credentials in Islamic study.

So essentially what your saying is "pratice your religion ,but do it how we tell you " ....

Lame thread 'lame argument.

No I'm saying that practice your faith but don't project it out to the public over a loud speaker 5 times a day! Seriously we have cell phones and watches so any muslim should be well aware of what prayer time is. Why force non beleivers to be offended by it in a public space?

Lol ....

Never been to a masjid that "projected it" out into the public on a speaker . and i have been to many!

Can't say the same for missionaries in every neighborhood knocking on doors can we ? Sounds lame right.

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Kapusta

In all honesty how often is it happening?

I haven't had the oppurtunity to troll a door to door religious salesman in yeaaaaaars.

Last was those Mormons with their 7ft tall blonde hair green eyed super jesus. I think they ended up leaving me some sort of DVD cuz end times ya know.

Mormons ,JW, constant... They know I am Muslim yet they still try . i haven't the heart to be rude to them.
I respect what they are doing. But its overwhelming at times.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: sirlancelot

So you have objection to people being called to pray to god?

I have an objection with the Muslim call to prayer in American Cities. Most cities and towns in America have sound ordinances yet in these towns they where changed to allow for the call to prayer.

As Choudary puts it ‘The main purpose behind the multiple loud pronouncements of Adhan in every mosque is to make available to everyone an easily intelligible summary of Islamic belief.
‘It is intended to bring to the mind of every believer and non-believer the substance of Islamic beliefs, or its spiritual ideology. In modern times, loudspeakers have been installed on minarets for this purpose.’

So therein lies my issue. I have no problems with Muslims practicing their faith, but I have a problem with them pushing their message over a loud speaker 5 times a day!

Ohh the ironey in your statement.

Are you seriously quoting that scumbag Choundry ?
He's a moron and has pissed off many Muslims he's an extremist who has no credible credentials in Islamic study.

So essentially what your saying is "pratice your religion ,but do it how we tell you " ....

Lame thread 'lame argument.

No I'm saying that practice your faith but don't project it out to the public over a loud speaker 5 times a day! Seriously we have cell phones and watches so any muslim should be well aware of what prayer time is. Why force non beleivers to be offended by it in a public space?

And church bells ring, what, 12 times a day? Yeah. Have you heard some church bells? Good question then, why do we force non-believers to be offended in a public space?

Just another example of the War on Christmas Christians Christianity ...

Tsk.

Seriously though.

People are dying and starving and suffering all over the world and it seems like all some people want to do is search for things to be more fearful or irate or threatened over...granted that that fear and threatening is coming at them from all directions and it is a semi-natural reaction. These things though, for the most part, there are already remedies and processes for resolution in place for, resolution that makes more sense than whining about it online and adding to the useless churn about relatively trivial issues.

a reply to: Kapusta

I love to bring them in and actually have a rational discussion with them ...

After about 5 minutes or so, their concern for my immortal soul doesn't seem as pressing to them.

Can't imagine why.

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: sirlancelot

I don't see an issue with this, but I'm sure anyone enterprising could create an app (calling people to prayer) so no one would get upset.

Free expression means free expression for everyone.

Ok so under the auspice of free expression why is this happening to those of christian faith?

Christmas Carols Banned

Christmas is just once per year yet the celbration is banned while the Adhan is 365 day, 5 times per day! Double standard if you ask me.

Actually, you've got a point. That IS a double standard.
Solution...Church bells AND the Adhan simultaneously; 5X per day-365 days per year.
...throw in a Didgeridoo or two, as well.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Flatfish

So, religious freedom for others but only until it irritates us a bit?

Oh my, may I also apply that standard? Please. LOL

Honestly, I'm not sure I get your concern ... is it personal (you don't like it) or general (American mosques shouldn't be able to issue the Call to Prayer)?

Religious freedom, IMO, doesn't include blasting your message over loud speakers 5 times a day to the point that it intrudes on the daily lives of others.

That's called "disturbing the peace" and it's more akin to indoctrination than it is to expressing one's religious faith.

I wouldn't want to listen to physicians being called to emergency surgery over loud speakers throughout the city either, that's what pagers are for.

Practice whatever religion you want, just quit attempting to force the rest of us to practice it with you.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Seriously though.

People are dying and starving and suffering all over the world and it seems like all some people want to do is search for things to be more fearful or irate or threatened over...granted that that fear and threatening is coming at them from all directions and it is a semi-natural reaction. These things though, for the most part, there are already remedies and processes for resolution in place for, resolution that makes more sense than whining about it online and adding to the useless churn about relatively trivial issues.

Exactly.. Muslims,Islam= new world doom porn.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Kapusta

I love to bring them in and actually have a rational discussion with them ...

After about 5 minutes or so, their concern for my immortal soul doesn't seem as pressing to them.

Can't imagine why.

Lol. I do the same . but respectfully... But i find my self mostly clarifying false understandings about Islam that have been hammerd into their heads.

a reply to: Kapusta

Personally I think it's rude to knock on a persons door and think you are going to convert them to whatever weird cult it be.
Everything you know is wrong, however this book right heegh has all the answers. Dinosaurs?? MORE LIKE BEHEMOTH!

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: sirlancelot

So you have objection to people being called to pray to god?

i do. non-believers shouldn't have that crap rammed down their ear-holes uninvited. and by 'non-believers' i include all faiths, as they are all equally bogus.

Yeah i feel the same when missionaries come knocking at my door once a week....

Live and let live.

No, it's completely different.

I don't care for weekly visits from missionaries either, but you can ask them not to come back or you can post a "no soliciting" sign and they'll usually comply.

They don't react by turning on their loud speakers and blast their message into my home against my will.