Which Firearms to buy for SHTF?

originally posted by: semperfortis
a reply to: VashTheStampede

Okay

Now your confused

Are we talking combat or survival in SHTF?

Maybe check the thread title..

They are one in the same it is inevitable that you face conflict in SHTF be it other people who are desparte for supplies or possibly military because of martial law or foreign invasion.

a reply to: horseplay

20 gauge is an awesome calibre. My first shotgun was a 20 gauge single shot, with a .30-30 barrel you could switch with.

That shotgun was just a sweet shooting little gun that was deadly accurate with slugs or shot. Lots of upland bird went into the pot by way of that shotgun. The rifle was a whole 'nother thing. Kicked like a friggin' mule. I've never run into a rifle that kicked worse. I, finally, "lost" that barrel, and the shotgun is in my Dad's closet. Must remember to go get it one day...

Thanks for reminding me.

a reply to: VashTheStampede

Only if you watch too much TV my friend..

Or read too many survivalist books

I'm out folks.. Hope I provided some level of common sense here but if we are going to "Rambo" up, there is no need for common sense..

Thanks all

a reply to: seagull

A good thing about a 20ga-12ga is that you can buy these metal "sleeves" (i forget the name) that can be inserted so you can fire different calibers of rounds. You can use a 20ga to fire 22's, 38's, and many others.

Lot of good ideas here. Make one of the 4 a simple .22 long rifle like a Ruger at $300. In fact, at that price you can just consider it an extra. Then get 10,000 rounds of ammo. Why?

1. Very reliable
2. Good for small game

The issue is, in your scenario you won't be shooting at soldiers and zombies. Your other firearms will serve as defense. You'll be trying to survive long-term. That means a ready supply of ammo that does not break the bank, and a .22 fulfills that role. You won't be trying to take down a bear with it. That's not the point.

a reply to: introvert

I've heard of them, I've never used one.

That would be useful, if they're not too difficult to utilize...switching out, I mean.

I'll have to check it out.

Thx.

a reply to: schuyler

That's not true. You can take a bear with a 22.

A 400-pound black bear was found dead Monday morning near Marquand, a day after it was shot three times by a resident who said he was afraid the bear was going to attack his dog.

The man used a .22-caliber rifle. The wounded bear ran into the woods, West said, and the man called the Bollinger County Sheriff's Department, which contacted the Department of Conservation.

The bear couldn't be located that night. The next morning, the man called the agency and said he'd found the bear dead 150 yards from the shed.

Source

a reply to: Xeven

We were just talking about this at work the other day. My first thought was to take my 12g 870 pump and .45 1911. Figure I can hunt dang near anything with the 12g and the .45 for a PDW.

That said, it all depends upon the scenario. Are you walking, riding, bugging out or bugging in? Ammo for both the 12g and .45 would get pretty heavy and bulky to carry a lot of it. Heck, pick up a box of 25 rds of 00 buck or 50 rds of .45. If you're riding or staying put somewhere for a while, then weight and space is not a real problem.

The AR platform, along with the ammo, is fairly light weight and you can take down deer and use it as a PDW. 9mm ammo is lighter than .45 but doesn't have the greatest stopping power though folks would know when/if they've been hit buy it! Seems the obvious choice for those on foot, packing all their gear.

There's also the thought of using a flintlock as I've not seen a run on BP/Pyrodex and it doesn't require primers...just powder, lead and patches. Not a good PDW but a .50 flint can take down deer or below.

If I'm on foot, I doubt I'm taking 3-4 rifles/pistols w/ammo. I also don't think I'm going to find ammo just laying around on the ground like it's some kind of "call of duty" video game. What you've got is what you can carry.

a reply to: seagull

no problem.



my personal record is 4 starlings with a (1) 7 shot. I hate those things.

my husbands old 12g bruised my shoulder too badly, I can shoot a lot of starlings before I get sore from my 20g though.
and I like that I can get deer slugs for it too.

Well this all depends on you location, what you anticipate your hunting and tactical needs to be, and how much ammo diversity you are willing to deal with.

The rule of thumb, for me, is 1000 rounds of ammunition for every firearm I intend to use in my defense or sustainment in a survival situation.

I have an AKM variant rifle and 1000 rounds of 7.62X39. That ammo is locked up in ammo cans and does not get used. With that I have 12 30 round magazines.

Ammunition is cheap so are spare parts and most after market goods, reliability is high, maintenance requirements are low.



I also carry a Glock 19 Gen 4 with a Trijicon RMR RM05 9 MOA amber reflex dot and Trijicon night sights. I have 500 rounds of self defense 9mm(Hornady XTP and FTX rounds mostly) ammunition that I do not use. I keep around 800 rounds of 9mm ball ammunition for training purposes and regularly replenish the stock.

Most prolific 9mm pistol in the United States. More Glocks are bought and sold than almost any other handgun. This means HUGE after market support and availability of cheap spare parts.



My long distance shooting system will soon be a Mossberg MVP LC in .308 Winchester which will accept Magpul .308 Pmags.

This is a weapon that will get out to that 300-800 yard deer or human shot. I will be living in my desert paradise again next month after I leave the Army. In that environment, long distance shooting is essential.



I have no use for a shot gun, and all of my other guns are simply fun guns. I have a.38 Spl revolver, a 9mm SCCY CPX-2, and a Phoenix Arms HP25A .25 ACP semi-auto pistol.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: schuyler

That's not true. You can take a bear with a 22.

(Sigh) Always someone to argue. For God's sake.

Maybe you CAN, if you're extremely lucky, or you might just make him angry. Ask any competent hunter if they would intentionally take on a bear with a .22. My guess is they'd say you were a witless fool for doing so. You COULD also stick your fist down his throat and choke him to death, but...

not recommended.

a reply to: schuyler

No matter what, I'd be extremely nervous counting on a .22
to take down a charging bear. And if you don't get the bear
in the eye? Phhfff! Good luck! Hope you''re Bowie's razor sharp
or you're done.

originally posted by: Xeven
What 2 survival firearms would be good for my wife and I for protection and hunting etc...in case Government collapse for what ever reason?
Only 2, two for her and two for me. What ammo will be most easily found out there if Zombie apocalypse or what ever wipes out most of us and people are fighting for resources etc...?

2 hand Guns, 2 Rifles? Shotgun maybe?

If you had to pick 2 firearms and ammo only what would they be. Id say under $2500 for both but cheaper is better.

Be specific as possible, model, brand ammo.

Thank you!

X

Check out CZ guns. The CZ 75 is an amazing 9mm pistol. They also sell shotguns, one of which the HC-P is only $360 for a very damn good pump 12 gauge shotgun complete with pistol grip, top rail for optics, and ghost ring fiber optic sites.

Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 pump action shotgun. 12 gauge. You can't beat a shotgun for home defense.

Then an ar15 is a great autoloader. If you would rather have a pistol then go find a modern pistol that fits well in your and your wife's hands. (does it feel comfortable when you hold it? Does it have a good natural point of aim for you?)

Glock, Springfield, Sig Sauer, Smith&Wesson, Beretta. You can't go wrong with any of em.

Full to mid-size 9mm with a double stack; plenty of ammo and good stopping power. Get a .22LR rifle for small game which will be the most plentiful and ammo everywhere.
a reply to: Xeven

9mm ammo is probably the most popular.

Hatsun Escort 12 gauge. Semi automatic. Throws a lead wall. 8 12a rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger and reliable as all get up. Buds has it for 500 bucks.

5.56/ .223 AR. Why? Because you can find ammo for it everywhere if the SHTF. Get a good scope. Viper PST.

Glock 19 with 15 magazines.

Ruger takedown in .22lr.

Here's the most important part. Don't buy anything unless you get professionally trained. Otherwise your just one of those guys the trained people will take your shiny new gun and ammo from.

Buy a ton of ammo (literally). At least 5000 rounds for each. And get the appropriate cleaning kits and spare parts. Take them apart clean them and do again 50 times. You'll need to be able to service that weapon in a shift. And the lights may not be on and you may be outside when it's raining, scared SH&*&^less. Otherwise trained people will take your shiny new toys. See a theme here yet?

Train, train, train and get some ammo. Lots of ammo.

For the long-term SHTF i would go for something
Older... The modern day replica of the 1873
Colt .45 Revolver which is STILL made today
As the New Frontier Model at $1600 each.
While expensive that revolver is absolutely
Built like a tank and will last 100+ years!

It has REAL stopping power!

Then go for a straight Winchester Shotgun
which are also built like tanks and easy
To clean.

For the more modern minded a P90 works
As a close quarter personal defense weapon.
Then add a Browning .50 for the long shots!

And for the future...Plasma Rifle, 40 Watt range ;-)