Call to Arms in France

The French President declared war on ISIS, as you all probably know by now.

The French defence minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, formally requested help from his country’s EU partners, the first time the mutual assistance article in the EU treaty has been invoked. This before France launched a fresh round of strikes on the Isis stronghold Raqqa in Syria.

www.theguardian.com...

As the EU does not have an army, the French will now conduct a set of bilateral negotiations with other EU states on what kind of military help might be available.

www.theguardian.com...

But it doesn't end there, he just declared war on everything else as well:

Mr. Hollande called for quick action by Parliament on new legislation that would give the government more flexibility to conduct police raids without a warrant and place people under house arrest. He said he would seek court advice on broader surveillance powers. And he called for amendments that would enable the state to take exceptional security measures without having to resort to the most drastic options currently in the Constitution.

www.nytimes.com...

To avoid the options provided with the Constitution we get some new police-state laws in France? How is that even remotely possible? Can anybody explain this to me, please? Which options is he talking about? Was there no need to call for quick action in the first place then?

“Terrorism will not destroy the republic, because it is the republic that will destroy it” he said.

Or, to put it more precisely:
you helped the republic destroy itself and had the balls not to lie about it. Blow me the French way?

Chapeau!

What the heck is happening here?
1984 anyone, the big conspiracy right before our own eyes?

I'm baffled.

Thanks for reading!

a reply to: PublicOpinion

First rule of politics, never let a good crisis go to waste

Not surprising. I mean here in America, we have right wingers baying to take away civil rights from some people who haven't done anything.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Not surprising. I mean here in America, we have right wingers baying to take away civil rights from some people who haven't done anything.

Well its how you guys ended up with such wonderful gems as the patriot act and the TSA

i welcome this as there has been a double standard to date where radicals have been allowed to
run around spouting **hit ,they made there choice time to level the playing field.
instead of one law for one group and complete freedom to the others.

I hesitate to call it over reaction, but can't say I'm real thrilled with the level of "security" measures being taken.

Fear makes people accept amazingly stupid things in the name of security...

a reply to: PublicOpinion

France's Patriot Act!

Wow, the revolutionary French are being brought under the thumb just like U.S and UK.

Is it not clear that radical Islam terror is being used as an excuse for draconian laws that give the state historically unheard of powers over the individual? Is it necessary? Is it fair that we should be sabotaged like this? Is the state taking complete advantage of this and even possibly manufacturing terror for increased power and control and to justify its power and existence continually?

Je crains que nous sommes baisée.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Not surprising. I mean here in America, we have right wingers baying to take away civil rights from some people who haven't done anything.

Well its how you guys ended up with such wonderful gems as the patriot act and the TSA

That's what I was thinking. This is the French Patriot Act in the making.

Don't fall for it Frenchies!

a reply to: PublicOpinion

To avoid the options provided with the Constitution we get some new police-state laws in France? How is that even remotely possible? Can anybody explain this to me, please?

Quite honestly I'm confused about why you are confused. They are traumatized. They want to protect themselves.
They are not trying to harm one another. They are trying to prevent harm.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Not surprising. I mean here in America, we have right wingers baying to take away civil rights from some people who haven't done anything.

Well its how you guys ended up with such wonderful gems as the patriot act and the TSA

Yep! "We need to give up our rights, or take away rights from some citizens! That way those bad bad people can't take away your rights!"

a reply to: PublicOpinion

"The French defence minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, formally requested help from his country’s EU partners, the first time the mutual assistance article in the EU treaty has been invoked."

"As the EU does not have an army, the French will now conduct a set of bilateral negotiations with other EU states on what kind of military help might be available."

Cameron will be chomping at the bit on this one. He has an obsession with bombing Syria.

a reply to: Shamrock6

I'm rather surprised by his strange wording. Did he actually say that or was something lost in translation?
The republic destroys the republic. That's what it is. Innit?


a reply to: crazyewok

A gem for the showcase only. Well.. it has a patriotic name at least.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Not surprising. I mean here in America, we have right wingers baying to take away civil rights from some people who haven't done anything.

Just like the left wingers baying to take away the constitutional right to keep and bear arms from tens of millions of people who haven't done anything.

Simple:

Hollande has finally woken up to the radical Islamic threat that many of us having been going on about for a while now.

The enemy lives among us in every western nation now. That's what the Syrian refugee crisis was about. It's EXACTLY what ISIS wanted - a huge tide of humanity entering our countries so they could walk the soldiers of rape and carnage right on to our doorstep.

I hope people start to wake up now and accept that life has changed and we have to stop being soft on Islam as a whole until the radical element is quashed.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Not surprising. I mean here in America, we have right wingers baying to take away civil rights from some people who haven't done anything.

Would you mind elaborating?

originally posted by: SergeantSmoke

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Not surprising. I mean here in America, we have right wingers baying to take away civil rights from some people who haven't done anything.

Would you mind elaborating?

Patriot act, TSA, DHS.....ect ect

Those goodies brought in during the reign of Bush II

originally posted by: stuthealien
i welcome this as there has been a double standard to date where radicals have been allowed to
run around spouting **hit ,they made there choice time to level the playing field.
instead of one law for one group and complete freedom to the others.

Care to elaborate on the double-standard you mentioned?

originally posted by: seagull
I hesitate to call it over reaction, but can't say I'm real thrilled with the level of "security" measures being taken.

Fear makes people accept amazingly stupid things in the name of security...

originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: PublicOpinion

France's Patriot Act!

Wow, the revolutionary French are being brought under the thumb just like U.S and UK.

Is it not clear that radical Islam terror is being used as an excuse for draconian laws that give the state historically unheard of powers over the individual? Is it necessary? Is it fair that we should be sabotaged like this? Is the state taking complete advantage of this and even possibly manufacturing terror for increased power and control and to justify its power and existence continually?

Je crains que nous sommes baisée.

Exactly. I'm curious to see how the French react when the dust settles.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Not surprising. I mean here in America, we have right wingers baying to take away civil rights from some people who haven't done anything.

Just like the left wingers baying to take away the constitutional right to keep and bear arms from tens of millions of people who haven't done anything.

No, left wingers are not trying to grab your guns. Get over it. Most 'left wingers' like me, are also survivalists and off the grid enthusiasts. I would like to see some more regulations, but not in any way, shape or form are 'left wingers' attempting to take your guns. It is a fallacy.

a reply to: deliberator

CameraOn and obsessions? You don't tell!



Hollande proposed a meeting with Obama and Putin regarding more cooperation in said bombings. I can imagine the poor Dave feeling very alone and silly right now. Good thing is, he may find some camera life-feeds to cheer him up.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: PublicOpinion

To avoid the options provided with the Constitution we get some new police-state laws in France? How is that even remotely possible? Can anybody explain this to me, please?

Quite honestly I'm confused about why you are confused. They are traumatized. They want to protect themselves.
They are not trying to harm one another. They are trying to prevent harm.

You know which Constitutional options they had? The reaction to the attacks was sufficient, wasn't it? I don't see the need for such a 'patriotic' act, which is precisely the reason why I've decided to put it here.

originally posted by: SergeantSmoke

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Not surprising. I mean here in America, we have right wingers baying to take away civil rights from some people who haven't done anything.

Would you mind elaborating?

Have you not been on ATS since Saturday night?

There's your elaboration.