The Obvious Strategy of The Islamic State Is Working, You’re All Being Stupid

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
So I may be misunderstanding what you are trying to say, but I don't see how this relates at all to what #Freenrgy2 was saying about the core beliefs of Islam.

He was saying that Christianity didn't teach followers to go out and kill non-believers. But it did.

Is it a part of Christian teaching today? Are there Christian churches that are arming their members and teaching them to kill non-Christians if they don't convert to Christianity?

I gave up on religion quite a while back, and I have no love for any of them. They all have violent histories and some still remain violent today, but I didn't know there are Christian groups that are terrorizing and killing people in the name of Jesus, in countries around the globe, still today.

I learn something new every day.

Err yes, there used to be LRA or Lord's Resistance Army that operated out of Kenya and had tentacles in Uganda and Sudan,
The IRA vs Protestant armies were religiously based until a few years ago, there are mass killings of Muslim in CAR from Christian vigilante, And look even Buddhist butcher muslim children in places like Myanmar,while in India Hindus lynched Muslims accused of eating their cow god.

So it is just okay for radical Muslims to kill in the name of their prophets and Gods. They all get a free pass.

So I guess we don't have a problems after all. The Kenyans, the Ugandans, the Buddhist, Hindus and Muslims they are just doing what they have been taught to do, and are being true to their religion, and their Gods.

So all we have to do is love them to death.

The strategy sounds fitting. It is about as sane as sound as religion.

O h come on man NO! off course not, the point is religious fundamentalism running amok isn't unique to any one faith, knowing this for what it is ,the rest of us non fundies should not let ourselves be pulled into a trap of hating the other..hence DON'T BE STUPID.! for I think there are more of us than them..meaning fundamentalist driven haters of whatever faith or non faith.

Forgive me for being stupid, but all I see is a bunch of excuses for deadly behavior.

Instead of admitting we have a serious problem and trying to tackle the "problem", we are dancing around it. Anytime any one tries to get a bead on the actual vulture, you, among others, throw up a bunch of clay pigeons, using the excuse that we may ruffle the feathers of the nesting birds in the area.

Now to me; that's stupid.

Who is excusing anything or dancing around anything if that's what you take away from this thread then you need to reread it again.

originally posted by: callofbooty23

originally posted by: southernplayalistic
Anyone else think that there is a high power controlling "ISIS"? And basically the rest of the world for that matter? Anyone else think the problems and strife are pre planned?

Finally someone who sees sense. At last. Unlike this threads observations.

ISIS was invented and more than likely run by the same people who run and invented Anonymous and other groups. All controlled and played out to a plan!!

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Kinda beg to differ on that!

ISIS (Islamic State Of Iraq and Syria) is really a political
reaction to punitive military and economic conditions
between Sunni and Shia Muslims.

In both countries, a majority religious group disparaged
and outright punished the other (i.e. Sunni vs Shia and
Shia vs. Sunni) via methods such as job and housing
discrimination, blocking of access to political forums,
and literal imprisonment or execution of family
and friends for purely political purposes.

This boiled over during the Saddam Hussein
and Assad leadership years where if you
were NOT of the correct (i.e. ruling)
religious group, your time on this Earth
tended to be Nasty, Brutish and SHORT!

Outside influence and economic sanctions
from Western Countries hit the local populace
hard which made it easy for Assad and Saddam
to blame and fan the flames of hatred for the
western powers and opposing religious sects.

When both governments collapsed the base
economic, food and military security of all
simply imploded and YOUNG MALES FILLED
with RAGE were easily recruited to form
armies that initially tried to help their
own sects but eventually these morphed
into greater oligarchies and despotic rule
by local warlords and tyrants desiring to
control local resources.

Expanding outwards at an ever-faster pace,
local groups became regional and then
countrywide as leaders were killed off
by those even more rabid than themselves
or were obliterated by U.S. drones!

Add in a dose of Fire-Brand religion
used to enforce group discipline and
basic highway robbery to steal and/or
control ANY resource of any kind,
you therefore get ever more psychopathic
leaders who wish to extend their power
ever wider as disaffected youth
living locally and in Europe become
more radicalized, allowing the poison
of extreme religion to find and
gather ever more and ever
younger followers.

Europe and America
are NOW the targets
for a war of economics
and misplaced religious
ideals waged by mostly
YOUNG MEN!

Get them while they are
young and our problem is
solved otherwise we will
just have to kill'em all !!!!

I speak with MUCH EXPERIENCE
in those lands...We either directly
control or affect the local economics
and political freedoms of YOUTH in Iraq,
Syria and Yemen allowing the disaffected
populace to gain a secure and livable
economic life or we must prepare
for a war that ABSOLUTELY WILL
require us to perform atrocities
in the name of PRESERVING
OUR WAY OF LIFE !!!

In short, we must NOW SHARE our wealth,
political inclusiveness and military security with
those in need and WE MUST TRAIN those youth into
pursuing less-destructive means...OR...we WILL
face further and ever-more lethal/widepread
attacks on Western World targets!

What these YOUTH in Syria, Iraq
and Yemen DO NOT REALIZE is that
our own lands are JUST BARELY held
up by a literally duct-taped hodge-podge
of political and economic supports that
are barely functioning at best and fragile
as thin glass at its worst.

And like a spoiled teenager that has grown
HUGE AND STRONG WITH MUSCLES OF STEEL
from being well fed and well-housed, we too
can LASH OUT as an entire society at whoever
or whatever we think is a great threat.

It is THESE RADICALIZED YOUTH of Syria, Iraq,
Yemen, etc. WHO MUST be made aware that
one single OHIO-class submarine of an ANGERED
and TRULY POWERFUL United States carries 22 missiles
where EACH of the 14 MIRVS built-into each missile
contains a warhead of 475 Kilotons (i.e. 30+ times
LARGER than the Hiroshima bombs) for a grand total
of 146 Megatons of NUCLEAR HELL-FIRE which can
be EASILY sent to WIPE OUT 100,000 square miles
and turn everything and everyone inside into
a swirling dust of glowing green glass beads!

It is this QUIET BUT POWERFUL STICK that
CAN BE and WILL BE USED if those terrorists
make the western world (i.e. United States!)
ANGRY ENOUGH to weigh the scales of:

If We Cannot Live Alongside You In Peace,
then WE WILL CHOOSE TO LIVE
WITHOUT YOU FOREVER MORE !!!!!

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I accept the point of your message - Very few muslims are radical, and we shouldn't show extreme hatred and bigotry towards them.

I don't accept the way you wrote it, though. I respectfully would like to refute your message, wanting to point out that education is the best way for people to change, not berating. I realize you are pointing to a minority of posters, and that these posters you are talking about could even be described as "radical" themselves - As in, ones that demand genocide, or the like.. But I would challenge yourself, and anyone here to first teach them. Tell them your experience, tell them a statistic, lay some facts on them.

" Less than 1% of muslims are extremist "

There's something to spread.

Muslim countries are in the middle/lower portion of homicide rate

Source ( wiki, meh. )
Source ( another wiki )

The religion of the most violent countries in the world? Catholicism/protestant ( cut off of catholicism )

There's some statistics, people.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Interesting how your tone has changed from not too long ago, a good many people have changed tones.

It is most amazing to see you believe entirely that something called "ISLAMIC STATE" is some sole actor who wants all this chaos to incur, and that they alone are responsible for turning us all into maniacs.

You also believe the west is bound by political speech to call spades a spade, maybe something else is BINDING all of this.

I see a much different play being forced upon the peoples, and saying that people are freaking out about ISLAM is way over the top.

In fact, it is barely being heard at all in comparison with just 3 years ago, and certainly NOTHING compared to the last 30.

I wonder what has changed in YOU, that sees the world so differently now, that all too many people have now been reprogrammed (again) to see yet another new enemy,

That enemy is......YOU!, the ordinary person, the one who foists hateful spite and scourge with your keyboards at those who had nothing to do with the attacks !!



And of course, never forget to blame everyone but those who benefit from ALL of the things at play, those who want full and ultimate control, and whom will pull at EVERY heartstring in order to accomplish this.

WOW, they have turned people right inside out and upside down on this, much progress, the PROBLEM IS they still have no idea what is going on, and do not want to think outside the box and realize NO ALLIES exist in making things right.

a reply to: deadlyhope

I realize you are pointing to a minority of posters, and that these posters you are talking about could even be described as "radical" themselves - As in, ones that demand genocide, or the like..

Ironically enough these posters are red flagging themselves without even realizing it.....If you think about that is pretty stupid

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
So I may be misunderstanding what you are trying to say, but I don't see how this relates at all to what #Freenrgy2 was saying about the core beliefs of Islam.

He was saying that Christianity didn't teach followers to go out and kill non-believers. But it did.

Is it a part of Christian teaching today? Are there Christian churches that are arming their members and teaching them to kill non-Christians if they don't convert to Christianity?

I gave up on religion quite a while back, and I have no love for any of them. They all have violent histories and some still remain violent today, but I didn't know there are Christian groups that are terrorizing and killing people in the name of Jesus, in countries around the globe, still today.

I learn something new every day.

Err yes, there used to be LRA or Lord's Resistance Army that operated out of Kenya and had tentacles in Uganda and Sudan,
The IRA vs Protestant armies were religiously based until a few years ago, there are mass killings of Muslim in CAR from Christian vigilante, And look even Buddhist butcher muslim children in places like Myanmar,while in India Hindus lynched Muslims accused of eating their cow god.

So it is just okay for radical Muslims to kill in the name of their prophets and Gods. They all get a free pass.

So I guess we don't have a problems after all. The Kenyans, the Ugandans, the Buddhist, Hindus and Muslims they are just doing what they have been taught to do, and are being true to their religion, and their Gods.

So all we have to do is love them to death.

The strategy sounds fitting. It is about as sane as sound as religion.

O h come on man NO! off course not, the point is religious fundamentalism running amok isn't unique to any one faith, knowing this for what it is ,the rest of us non fundies should not let ourselves be pulled into a trap of hating the other..hence DON'T BE STUPID.! for I think there are more of us than them..meaning fundamentalist driven haters of whatever faith or non faith.

Forgive me for being stupid, but all I see is a bunch of excuses for deadly behavior.

Instead of admitting we have a serious problem and trying to tackle the "problem", we are dancing around it. Anytime any one tries to get a bead on the actual vulture, you, among others, throw up a bunch of clay pigeons, using the excuse that we may ruffle the feathers of the nesting birds in the area.

Now to me; that's stupid.

Who is excusing anything or dancing around anything if that's what you take away from this thread then you need to reread it again.

Yet every time sometime someone tries to talk about radical Islam, which is the problem, the conversation is always diverted to the peaceful Muslims, that are not the problem.

People are being attacked, accused and labelled because the use the word "Muslim". The radical Islamist are Muslims.

I understand ATS wanting to take a stand against racism and bigotry but I don't understand why there is such strong support for the innocent Muslims when the support for other groups has been so lukewarm.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
So I may be misunderstanding what you are trying to say, but I don't see how this relates at all to what #Freenrgy2 was saying about the core beliefs of Islam.

He was saying that Christianity didn't teach followers to go out and kill non-believers. But it did.

Is it a part of Christian teaching today? Are there Christian churches that are arming their members and teaching them to kill non-Christians if they don't convert to Christianity?

I gave up on religion quite a while back, and I have no love for any of them. They all have violent histories and some still remain violent today, but I didn't know there are Christian groups that are terrorizing and killing people in the name of Jesus, in countries around the globe, still today.

I learn something new every day.

Err yes, there used to be LRA or Lord's Resistance Army that operated out of Kenya and had tentacles in Uganda and Sudan,
The IRA vs Protestant armies were religiously based until a few years ago, there are mass killings of Muslim in CAR from Christian vigilante, And look even Buddhist butcher muslim children in places like Myanmar,while in India Hindus lynched Muslims accused of eating their cow god.

So it is just okay for radical Muslims to kill in the name of their prophets and Gods. They all get a free pass.

So I guess we don't have a problems after all. The Kenyans, the Ugandans, the Buddhist, Hindus and Muslims they are just doing what they have been taught to do, and are being true to their religion, and their Gods.

So all we have to do is love them to death.

The strategy sounds fitting. It is about as sane as sound as religion.

O h come on man NO! off course not, the point is religious fundamentalism running amok isn't unique to any one faith, knowing this for what it is ,the rest of us non fundies should not let ourselves be pulled into a trap of hating the other..hence DON'T BE STUPID.! for I think there are more of us than them..meaning fundamentalist driven haters of whatever faith or non faith.

Forgive me for being stupid, but all I see is a bunch of excuses for deadly behavior.

Instead of admitting we have a serious problem and trying to tackle the "problem", we are dancing around it. Anytime any one tries to get a bead on the actual vulture, you, among others, throw up a bunch of clay pigeons, using the excuse that we may ruffle the feathers of the nesting birds in the area.

Now to me; that's stupid.

Who is excusing anything or dancing around anything if that's what you take away from this thread then you need to reread it again.

Yet every time sometime someone tries to talk about radical Islam, which is the problem, the conversation is always diverted to the peaceful Muslims, that are not the problem.

People are being attacked, accused and labelled because the use the word "Muslim". The radical Islamist are Muslims.

I understand ATS wanting to take a stand against racism and bigotry but I don't understand why there is such strong support for the innocent Muslims when the support for other groups has been so lukewarm.

I have created and contribute to threads about radical fundamentalist Islam, threads dealing with destroying ancient monuments book burnings and the like not to mention mass murder ex Boko Haram, ISIS and Al-Shabaab, unfortunately certain posters will take that opportunity to air their bigotry or hate against all Muslims in general, which leads to others including myself to say Hey wait a minute, we are speaking of specifics and not general here, and a back and forth may continue and thread effectively derailed, for if we don't then the thread become one big nuke all muzzies let god sort them out kinda thread.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Urantia1111

So when this started up again, Planned Parenthood Arson Latest in Series of Violent Acts Against Clinics does that justify us being suspicious of Christians?

Are you saying you and they are NOT suspicious ?

Or are you saying you can pick and choose your false flag scenarios, whichever fits best with ya.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: RedParrotHead
The rational, thinking part of me whole-heartedly agrees with everything the OP stated...but then there's that other part of me. We've all read stuff like "Islamic teachings promote lying and deception as a means to defeat/convert/kill the enemy infidels" ... true or not I can't help that from creeping into my mind. Has the friendly muslim woman in the office across the hall been just pretending to be so nice to me for the last two years? Is the muslim guy downstairs seething internally every time we run in to each other and ask "how're your kids doing?" Maybe, could be...probably not. Probably not. Right?

Honestly, that's just paranoia. Think of it like this: I'm a Muslim. My main political & economic goal is to create the ultimate hippie Socialist Utopia. This Utopia would be a safe haven where homelessness, food insecurity, lack of healthcare, bigotry, rape, domestic abuse & child abuse don't exist.

I want our tax dollars to stop funding wars and covert operations, and instead to build a smart energy grid, a high speed rail network, and a global network of desalination plants & water pipelines (to finally end droughts as we know them). Oh, and I'm in favor of legalizing maryjane, while promoting rehabilitation over imprisonment. And I push for actual women's rights to the point that I'm probably a feminist by definition (my best female friend says it's because I'm a perv lol- I neither confirm nor deny that).

But apparently none of that matters because some people will let my crescent moon necklace define me. And apparently some people (cough cough) will still consider me a potential terrorist, even though I try to educate people on the actual terrorists & their backers.

No, none of that matters BECAUSE your goodwill towards men has nothing to do with the outcomes desired by those in true places of power, and they can use EVERYONES wishes for a utopia against them in any way they see fit, and they are easily doing this, because you think some of them MAY be on your side.

Everyone is being lead to a slow slaughter and is really unwilling to ask why.

Your religion does not hold any answer to this, all of them are created to make sure you never do.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I understand ATS wanting to take a stand against racism and bigotry but I don't understand why there is such strong support for the innocent Muslims when the support for other groups has been so lukewarm.

It's rather about not giving in to terror strategy and keeping values intact, if I'm not mistaken.

Actually a strong support for all other groups as well. Depends on the way you see it I guess.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
Make no mistake about it, what happened in Paris is going to happen here in the US. We have tens of thousands of soft targets, and our political correctness will exacerbate the likelihood it will happen sooner rather than later. If my concern about the safety and well being of my friends and family is viewed as stupid, bigoted, etc. and voicing these concerns on what I thought was an open discussion forum (while minding Ts & Cs) can get me banned, so be it.

I assume by political correctness you mean not being able to speak openly about Muslims?
If so, say your piece here and maybe someone can convince you that all Muslims aren't bad, because if ISIS is 150,000 strong that still isn't even 0.01% of all Muslims.
So have at it, let us all know how the ones of us who know Muslims or are defending Muslims have got it wrong.
Which part of everyday Muslims scares you.

P.S leave the Political Correctness aside.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Actually a strong support for all other groups as well. Depends on the way you see it I guess.

We aren't allowed to cross post. I found that out the hard way, when I was the victim of some of those really racist, bigoted threads that ATS so strongly fights against.

I was the one chastised, for the breaking of ATS rules of cross posting, and was pretty much told that I need to develop thicker skin and learn to suck it up.

I left ATS for 3 months because that is how long it took me to grow my thick skin.

So you see, I have seen the strong support that ATS has for other groups, up close and real personal, and I see even clearer now.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

What exactly, do you think cross posting means?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

What exactly, do you think cross posting means?

Well since I did it and got called out for it, I think I have a pretty good idea.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: enlightenedservant

This is very, very astute.

It is somewhat similar: "The West" (in the case of Mexico, it was the US only) destablized the territory through its own operations, creating a bloodbath among the people, and a massive flight of citizens trying to find safety. And, to be honest, I am accustomed to US xenophobia as it relates to Mexico. Its nothing new....and i live in a part of the world that I have to hear it all the damned time.

But I have kind of been shocked (and disgusted) by the similarity of xenophobia being shown among Europeans.

I agree. The biggest difference between the cartels & ISIS is the media attention they get in the US.

As an example, one of those Mexican cartels literally calls itself the Knights Templar (here and here). But no matter what crimes they commit, no one blames Christianity for their actions. And here's something mentioned in the 2nd article I linked:

Knights Templar gunmen are believed to be behind most of the 480 drug-related murders in Michoacan in the last 18 months, including dozens of decapitated or dismembered victims.

And remember, decapitation & mutilation are commonly used tactics used by all of these cartels, not just this "Knights Templar" cartel. I won't link anything else about them, but a quick google search will show you more info on the Mexican beheadings than you will ever want to know. Also, this particular war in Mexico started in 2006, 2 years after ISIS's original group was formed.

The reason I'm bringing them up is because ISIS & some of the other "rebel" groups follow the same practices. Not just militarily, but economically. They smuggle illegal & stolen goods, engage in human trafficking, and work in the regional drug trade. But unlike the "cartels", our media reports on ISIS from a religious perspective while ignoring their cartel-like activities. And our media reports on the cartels from a business & violence perspective, while conveniently ignoring the religious perspective of them (and that's when they decide to even report on them).

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Hard to tell actually, from what you said here:

We aren't allowed to cross post. I found that out the hard way, when I was the victim of some of those really racist, bigoted threads that ATS so strongly fights against.

In response to this:

Actually a strong support for all other groups as well. Depends on the way you see it I guess.

A complaint about the cross posting rule seems sort of a non-sequitur. It seems you think that cross-posting has something to do with disagreeing with the management. I doesn't.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
a reply to: IlTuoFratello

If you want to call it "censorship" so that you feel better about yourself, pointing fingers and all, then fine, go ahead.

I am calling it censorship because that is what it is. Not because it makes me feel better, not because I am pointing fingers. I have no mal intent.

Censorship is censorship, regardless of what it is applied to.

I am not stating that I do not want censorship, nor that I do want censorship. All I have said is that it is indeed censorship. A statement that I did not make initially, rather in reply to someone claiming that there is no censorship going on.

I prefer to call it a message from the ownership of a privately-held discussion venue that certain statements, such as "kill them all", will no longer be tolerated here.

Such as, kill all the Muslims, or kill all the terrorists? I am assuming that you mean Muslims, since that would be anti-Islamic extremism. If it is now not okay to say kill anyone, then that is understood, and that is the censorship that is taking place.

If you're so opposed to that, then there are plenty of other places online where you can profess a desire for mass murder.

I do not profess a desire for mass murder. It is gross that you would give off the impression that I do, either intentionally, or from poor wording. A better sentence may have read, "...where one can profess a desire...". Articles of English syntax and language are important to consider when communicating.

Additionally - Murder, self-defense and military related deaths are all different. Right? When militaries go to war, do they murder each other? If so, then militaristic nationalism will be censored here. Hoping that one country obliterates the enemy is a call for mass murder. Then none of this should be allowed.

So, all military topics will no longer be touchable? I'm sure there are now existing, and will be created in the future, topics regarding military activity. Military topics, military activity and military miscellany go hand in hand with war and death, and as mentioned above, any nationalistic stance wishing for victory over the enemy is nothing short of a desire and call for mass death. Also, all military personnel sharing their allegiance and desires for defeating the enemy (any enemy) will be, and/or should be censored as well. That too is nothing less that a call for mass murder and death.

So, just so that we are clear (and I do not know if this has been asked, there are 19 pages of this and I have not, and am not going to read all of it), it would be against the new T&C to state a desire to kill all the terrorists? If so, that is understood as well. Then the new reality of the world for ATS members will be that ISIS and its terroristic affiliates can say whatever that they desire about their enemies, but we are not allowed to comment any reciprocation of the likes back at that group. If not, then we can still openly express our desire for mass killing of terrorists?

I would also then assume that all ISIS related videos and topics representing and/or displaying ISIS operatives, agents, militia and/or the like espousing their desires to commit mass murder against the infidel/enemy should be removed, and will be removed, and no further propaganda of the sort ever be allowed on this website again.

Take care, S.O.

The worst part is the Western world also benefits from generating hatred. If more people are willing to support invasions and wars in the ME that means more profit for the US companies who manufacture weapons. I'm willing to bet the stock in some of those companies rose shortly after the Paris attacks. ISIS also benefits because many new extremists are created when we react in the way SkepticOverlord described. It's like a never ending cycle of hatred. One group provokes the other, which causes them to react, and so on and so forth. They both just feed on each others hate until they eventually end up destroying each other.

a reply to: Phage

My intent was not to confuse, it was my poor attempt to explain that from my experience, ATS has not shown the same level of support for anti-racism and bigotry for other groups. In fact in my experience, ATS took greater offense to my cross post then they did to vile, racist posts made by a member that was trolling the forums making his bigoted comments.

I have no beef with management. I was responding to the comment made #PublicOpinion when he stated that ATS shows strong support to other groups as well, and added, depending on how I saw it.

I shared with him how I saw it and why.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Ah. I see. Selective enforcement.

Yeah, I've encountered that on more than one occasion myself. I chalk it up to ATS getting too big for its britches, what with social media and all. Mods can't be everywhere at the same time.