Religious indoctrination of children should be outlawed

a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede

Busy in another thread right now - but, just based on your title alone -----

YES!

S/F!!!

originally posted by: lenzius
- The child must be PROTECTED FROM the logic of ABSOLUTES and taught to recognize right from wrong

Indeed. And there is no more absolute absolute than intractable religion.

Moreover, if one is suggesting that religion is required to teach right from wrong, immoral from immoral, one is essentially saying every person on this Earth is an ethereally tethered demon baying to emancipate and cause anarchy.

In which case, by all means, keep brainwashing your kids -- I'd rather they be godtard dullards than devils incarnates! (...But don't cry to us when they get blown up or beheaded by similar godtard loons, only with a different bent to theirs. 👍)

- Since the brain's frontal cortex does not fully developed until the mid to late twenties, responsible adults should model proper behavior for the child

Yet we permit procreation, without license or any applicable assessment of capability, for anyone; even teenagers. Hmmm...

- A child taught through example by parents (whose frontal cortex is properly formed), will have a clear understanding of right from wrong

Not if those parents are ideologically brainwashed godtards themselves, who may not even be at a biological age where their brains are yet fully functional. NB: "18 years" is to definitive adulthood as the U.S. is to freedom.

- Religion should NEVER be officially sanctioned by government.

One of the fundamental precepts of the U.S. constitutions is the separation of the church and state (...ironically enough, given the only two qualifications one needs to become U.S. president is 1) money, and 2) a belief in a magical man of conspicuous inaction who floats in the sky, vaunting "His" cock-skin collection!). Moreover, churches are tax exempt(!), operate in the open as clandestine cliques cloaking child-targeting carnality and influence government (thus legislation) either through lobbying or at the ballot of their gerrymandered electoral municipalities.

So, I whole-heartedly concur -- religion should NEVER be officially sanctioned by gov't. 👍

- Before a child's neural pathways are FULLY formed, a loving adult can teach the child to CONTROL and UNDERSTAND their emotions.

Predicated on religion, this 'teaching' would comprise of... awww, about 99.9% intolerance, prejudice, bigotry, xenophobia, bellicosity, fear, retribution, perdition... and heaven for all and sundry as long as they repent on their death-beds... and about 0.1% 'love'.

- Attempting to draw any conclusion based on comparing a terrorist to a victim of sexual abuse is ignorant. #facepalm

Yet you elide the fact that no victims of sexual child abuse blow themselves up in crowds, behead others, burn witches at stakes, lynch those of a differing epidermal hue, condemn LGBTI people to "Hell", inbreed to further a particular ideology's lineage...

- I am uncertain as to the psychological effects of circumcision

Well, think about what a penile gland that's less sensitive to the actions of coition would be like to live with. Think about the times that this primordial procedure goes wrong. Think about the inanely ridiculous notion of offering up cock-skin to an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent (omni-vain?) entity. Think about the perpetuation of the pornography industry certainly partly to a lack of titillation males received due to a 'numb knob' gifted to them by their deluded parents; the extremes this industry goes to excite it viewers; the violence against women this promotes. Think about a man knowing that, through no fault of his own, as an innocent infant, his supposedly loving parents took license to have a proven erogenous zone of his major sex organ excised, using a metal cutting blade, so they could throw it discard it... in reverence to their "God".

...And that's to say absolutely nothing of female circumcision!

- Religious educational institutions can be important tools when secular ones become ineffective due to political red tape

If one has stooped to "red tape" arguments - politicising - to justify a psychological child abuse fetish, one should pack their crucifix etched clubs up and go home.

Religious freedom exists in the western world for a reason.

Yes. For libtards to allow fundamentalist who laugh in their faces as they abuse these very freedoms to further their own nefarious motivations.

a reply to: WhiteWingedMonolith
I did not say religion was the only cause of dysfunctional people. Entertainment (e.g., non contextually violent video games) or even diet (e.g., sugar, inhibiting concentration and brain function) can also contribute to someone turning into a loon.

But, the topic du jour is religion; thus I'm addressing it.

a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede

so I play violent video games and I'm currently on a pizza diet atm. I also put sugar in my coffee sometimes so based on your logic im a complete crazy man and im unable to care for my children.

a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede

I agree with everything except this;

• Religion should only be taught in a communal environment - e.g., secular schools - and in a wholly subjective manner -- "teaching" is not teaching when its underlying agenda is brainwashing.

Shouldn't they be taught religion from an OBJECTIVE non-biased view? Teach them all the religions and let the children from then on come to their own conclusions. They're already teaching religion to kids from a biased,subjective interpretation, that's why we have so many denominations.

a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede

Telling a 5yr old they will burn in hell forever or bad stuff will happen if they don't believe in something should not happen. Its brainwashing and it happens with all religions.

a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede

Government interference in the raising of children, and non-parental, biased intervention in the raising of children, is what ought to be outlawed. Sorry, but you have no right at all to tell anyone else what they can or cannot teach their children. If you want to raise yours to act like animals, and base everything off of personal experience, you go right ahead. Mine aren't being raised that way, and I don't care who likes that, or doesn't. Not your kids, not your business.

My parents never forced me to be part of any religion, being of the mind that it should be my decision to find my own way. I went to a Christian "non-denominational" school. We had prayers, hymns, nativity plays etc. There was a Jehovah's Witness and perhaps a Muslim whose parents requested that they sit out some things like that, which they did. I always thought that was unfair that they were excluded like that. I went to Bible study group after school, which was optional and totally my choice. It was a small group, maybe 5 of us. My school took the class to visit a mosque and a synagogue. We were taught about all religions in religious education. I was never threatened with hell to believe. I am so grateful for such an education. I wouldn't change a thing.

originally posted by: TheInhumanCentipede

originally posted by: lenzius
- The child must be PROTECTED FROM the logic of ABSOLUTES and taught to recognize right from wrong

Indeed. And there is no more absolute absolute than intractable religion.

Moreover, if one is suggesting that religion is required to teach right from wrong, immoral from immoral, one is essentially saying every person on this Earth is an ethereally tethered demon baying to emancipate and cause anarchy.

In which case, by all means, keep brainwashing your kids -- I'd rather they be godtard dullards than devils incarnates! (...But don't cry to us when they get blown up or beheaded by similar godtard loons, only with a different bent to theirs. 👍

My point is independent of religion. My point is from a strictly humanist standpoint. I have a right to believe what I want. If I choose to be a "godtard" that is my choice. However, I digress a bit. That is not the nature of my rebuttal. The nature of my rebuttal is this: improper raising of children by irresponsible parents is the problem, not religion. There are alot of screwed up people raising easily manipulated kids who are atheists. I am calling for the teaching of socially acceptable rules, by responsible adults. Is this brainwashing? What you describe is uniformity of thought, proscribed by a central power. This does not work. It is not civilization. Uniformity is not progress.

- Since the brain's frontal cortex does not fully developed until the mid to late twenties, responsible adults should model proper behavior for the child
Yet we permit procreation, without license or any applicable assessment of capability, for anyone; even teenagers. Hmmm...

That would be one heck of a job. LOL! Issuing screwing licenses. Bwahahaha! How do you test for proper procreative capability? Do we have dudes come in and whop it out for measurement? No. Seriously. Who determines who gets cleared for this genetic cleansing you speak of? Are you sure your not a Nazi?

- A child taught through example by parents (whose frontal cortex is properly formed), will have a clear understanding of right from wrong
Not if those parents are ideologically brainwashed godtards themselves, who may not even be at a biological age where their brains are yet fully functional. NB: "18 years" is to definitive adulthood as the U.S. is to freedom.

I am free enough to mock your ignorant ramblings. I am free enough to know the difference between intolerance and justice; right and wrong; love and hate. Do you even have kids? Good grief.

- Religion should NEVER be officially sanctioned by government.
One of the fundamental precepts of the U.S. constitutions is the separation of the church and state (...ironically enough, given the only two qualifications one needs to become U.S. president is 1) money, and 2) a belief in a magical man of conspicuous inaction who floats in the sky, vaunting "His" cock-skin collection!). Moreover, churches are tax exempt(!), operate in the open as clandestine cliques cloaking child-targeting carnality and influence government (thus legislation) either through lobbying or at the ballot of their gerrymandered electoral municipalities.

So, I whole-heartedly concur -- religion should NEVER be officially sanctioned by gov't. 👍

You are as ignorant of the US constitution as you are of child raising. My my, you do have a flair for overstatement, don't you? I would educate you of the requirements for running for president, but I am starting to feel like my time is being wasted.

- Before a child's neural pathways are FULLY formed, a loving adult can teach the child to CONTROL and UNDERSTAND their emotions.
Predicated on religion, this 'teaching' would comprise of... awww, about 99.9% intolerance, prejudice, bigotry, xenophobia, bellicosity, fear, retribution, perdition... and heaven for all and sundry as long as they repent on their death-beds... and about 0.1% 'love'.

I hate to break it to you, but the only "intolerance, prejudice, bigotry, xenophobia, bellicosity, fear, retribution" etc are coming from you. Ironic, don't you think? Your hatred of religion pushes you past the brink to become the brainwashing machine you so revile. Your mind is closed, and so you, not the believer, are far more capable of perpetrating crimes against humanity.

- Attempting to draw any conclusion based on comparing a terrorist to a victim of sexual abuse is ignorant. #facepalm
Yet you elide the fact that no victims of sexual child abuse blow themselves up in crowds, behead others, burn witches at stakes, lynch those of a differing epidermal hue, condemn LGBTI people to "Hell", inbreed to further a particular ideology's lineage...

Neither do pink bunnies, but alas, once again we wander off the trail of logic into the murky waters of ridicule and stupidity. We must ensure the rights of the bigoted moron, and the religious zealout. We must ensure even your right to ramble. For if you can be silenced, my fellow poster, than so can I. There are Christians who do not believe in anything you posted above. We try hard to shed the light on the higher path, so our misled fellow believers may one day understand the folly of their ways. Old beliefs die hard. Once again I repeat: true freedom only exists when everyone is free.

- I am uncertain as to the psychological effects of circumcision
Well, think about what a penile gland that's less sensitive to the actions of coition would be like to live with. Think about the times that this primordial procedure goes wrong. Think about the inanely ridiculous notion of offering up cock-skin to an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent (omni-vain?) entity. Think about the perpetuation of the pornography industry certainly partly to a lack of titillation males received due to a 'numb knob' gifted to them by their deluded parents; the extremes this industry goes to excite it viewers; the violence against women this promotes. Think about a man knowing that, through no fault of his own, as an innocent infant, his supposedly loving parents took license to have a proven erogenous zone of his major sex organ excised, using a metal cutting blade, so they could throw it discard it... in reverence to their "God".

...And that's to say absolutely nothing of female circumcision!

uh... pornography is the result of brain chemistry and the male brain pre-wired to be visually stimulated. Guaranteed there a a HUGE number of uncut cocks out addicted to porn. Can someone give me an amen here?

Religious freedom exists in the western world for a reason.
Yes. For libtards to allow fundamentalist who laugh in their faces as they abuse these very freedoms to further their own nefarious motivations.

I find that extremists usually attack education second (gun rights go first). It is hard to establish a death camp if people are educated and armed. We must educate or children to protect us all from Nazi morons like you. Do us all a favor. Go take your medicine and have a nap. Geez.

~Erv out.

a reply to: lenzius

honestly this type of thinking scares the crap out of me. The OP obviously has a serious hatred for religious people

a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede

I was raised in a Christian home and nobody forced anything on me and I'm agnostic. "Demonize" and hate all you want but you can't see into the hearts of people

a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede

So, you're the 'word' on what's right and wrong, Obi-Wan? ...Or do you delegate that responsibility "God", mister prophet?

If at the end of the day, my kids respect you and your space, what does it matter?

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede
so I play violent video games and I'm currently on a pizza diet atm. I also put sugar in my coffee sometimes so based on your logic im a complete crazy man and im unable to care for my children.

You've just made an exemplar of argumentation fallacy known as reductio ad absurdum. Congrats and thanks for the 'contribution'!

originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede
I agree with everything except this;

• Religion should only be taught in a communal environment - e.g., secular schools - and in a wholly subjective manner -- "teaching" is not teaching when its underlying agenda is brainwashing.

Shouldn't they be taught religion from an OBJECTIVE non-biased view?

Yes. Sorry - typo.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede
Sorry, but you have no right at all to tell anyone else what they can or cannot teach their children.

So, can a parent teach a child that having sex with an adult is okay? If not, why -- it's their child, right...?

originally posted by: lenzius
My point is independent of religion. My point is from a strictly humanist standpoint.

Sure. As long as your 'beliefs' do not impinge on my life and you do not attempt to obtrude them on others.

That would be one heck of a job. LOL! Issuing screwing licenses

Suffice it to say, but there's a vast difference between "screwing" (for pleasure) and procreating. One has few subsequent responsibilities; the other is life-changing.

I am free enough to mock your ignorant ramblings.

Indeed you are, godtard. That's the right which secular society affords you. Do not take it for granted.

You are as ignorant of the US constitution as you are of child raising.

Appropriately enough, seemingly, given those who wrote it were kind of "ignorant" themselves...


The rest of your discursive, irrelevant rant I won't humour with response, as it means nothing and will be heeded by no one of importance. For emotive, illogical people like yourself do not make the decisions that influence the world we will live in.

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: lenzius
honestly this type of thinking scares the crap out of me. The OP obviously has a serious hatred for religious people

"Religious people" are retarded by delusion - often through no fault of their own - and hamstring our species' progression; with their tribalism, in-fighting, intolerance, 'God hypothesising', hypocritical availing of the world science gifts them et al.. As a human being first and ideologue a distant second, one cannot have any stance but that of disdain and denigration towards those who act as effective 'tumours' of our species.

But this does not suggest explicit 'hate' per se; as hate itself is an emotive response of the un-evolved, stemming from the fight of flight response inherent in all instinctual animals. Think of it more in terms of a dislike for what the godtard is and represents , not the godtard themselves. Kind of like odium towards the effects of cancer, but not actual "hate" towards the malignant tumour itself. I.E., It's not personal.

originally posted by: ketsuko
If at the end of the day, my kids respect you and your space, what does it matter?

Obviously, in such a case, it does not matter. You could be a Scientologst Satanist dervish who dances naked around maypoles while covered in raspberry jam, and I couldn't give a whit... even if I devoted time to trying.

The problem is, those (for example) in France yesterday, do not share your 'live and live' philosophy...

a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede

Obviously, in such a case, it does not matter. You could be a Scientologst Satanist dervish who dances naked around maypoles while covered in raspberry jam, and I couldn't give a whit... even if I devoted time to trying.

Well you just blew up your own case.

If I can raise my kids in such a way that they leave you alone, I should be left to raise my kids however I see fit, even if that includes religion. You just admitted as much ... that you don't care.

However, your opening screed was all about how I should no longer have that right.

You want live and let live ... but I and other parents don't deserve it because you are a coward and are afraid of what might happen.

Based on that, I think we ought to lock you up. Odds are you will never be in a position to enact your lack of live and let live mantra, but just in case, I think we all ought to be safe here and put you somewhere where we can make sure you butt out of our lives.

Because whether or not someone uses Christianity, Islam, or a simple rock in the backyard ... if the kids grow up to be decent and respectful citizens at the end of the day, how it was achieved is basically NUNYA.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede

Obviously, in such a case, it does not matter. You could be a Scientologst Satanist dervish who dances naked around maypoles while covered in raspberry jam, and I couldn't give a whit... even if I devoted time to trying.

Well you just blew up your own case.
If I can raise my kids in such a way...

>If
>If
>If
>If
>If

But, "if" you fail...


The logical, rational mind - a "God-given" faculty(!) - does not operate in the realm of 'ifs'.

edit on 15-11-2015 by TheInhumanCentipede because: (no reason given)

a reply to: TheInhumanCentipede

All I read was "rabble rabble rabble I'm generalizing an entire group of people."

You just put billions of people into your over opinionated little box. superiority complex much? Its a scary world when the self proclaimed enlightened wanna tell others they don't agree with how to raise their child.

fighting ignorance with ignorance

a reply to: JDmOKI

Just, just

please. PLEASE. Don't tell your kid(s) they are worthless and bound for hell and no matter what they do they will NEVER be worthy. Or that everyone else who has different thoughts is worthless, bound for hell, and forever, irredeemably flawed and condemned.

Okay?
Can you do that? Refrain from telling kids that stuff?

Deal?

If you can do that, then it's totally cool however you want to raise them.

a reply to: ketsuko

If I can raise my kids in such a way that they leave you alone, I should be left to raise my kids however I see fit, even if that includes religion.

As long as they don't grow up to believe they are hell-bound pieces of crap no matter what they do - or that other people are hell-bound worthless eaters - sure, do whatever.

Just remember, everything you say to a little kid sticks. Don't tell them they suck and aren't worthy. Ever. Don't ever tell them that.....MMkay?