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originally posted by: RomeByFire
a reply to: soficrow
People unfortunately aren't too interested in the truth regarding IS. I, myself, have found comments removed and blocked for suggesting that IS has serious roots to the US and Saudi Arabia.
- Funded, armed, and trained the Mujahideen
- Funded, armed, and trained Al-Queda
- Funded, armed, and trained "moderate rebel groups"
So yes, I wouldn't say it's a far cry to say that we have, or continue to, fund, arm, and train IS.
Do people honestly think the American government and military wouldn't do that? Like they have some sort of morality? You do realize that they recruited Nazi scientists, and granted them amnesty, allowing them to work within government bodies? Learn basic history from the last six decades, you'd be surprised what the government does.
But man, people don't care, honestly. As one poster said, "no, just friggin no!!"
Obviously he/she has no desire to implore angles and perspectives, and rightfully so - but don't slam on your brakes and expect everyone else to stop just because you don't like the topic.
This is America, where you have the right to be offended at literally everything, but it should not debilitate myself and my freedoms, one of which, being speech.
What harm is being done by attempting to understand the complex nature of terrorism, and the geo-political scale of proxy-wars with an ever-changing line-up of "allies, terrorists, moderate terrorists?"
"Regardless of who did it, we need to remember those.."
So we need to remember those who lost their lives, but forget about who did it - and better yet, not even question who enabled the acts of terrorism - and again through arming, training, and funding, terrorist groups?
But I digress, remotely mentioning that IS has ties to the United States isn't insta-credibility kill, and it doesn't matter what sources/citations you provide.
The over-simplistic and emotional responses of, "no, just friggin no," it was tewwowists being tewwowists who wants to takes my fweedumbs, take precedent over any actual debate regarding IS.
Also worth mentioning, we invaded two sovereign nations based on attack they had nothing to do with, and for WMD's that were never found, and later to be told - were never there, and intelligence agencies knew about before the occupation.
Why this same force hasn't been deemed necessary to eliminate IS, is beyond me. My auto-correct had it right, it's because it's not about eliminating IS - it's about elongating IS.
Why?
Well, we have put much more of an emphasis on attempting to overthrow Assad than fighting IS. It, also, just so happens, that IS is, too, attempting to overthrow Assad.
Hmmmm.
Oh, and you may want to read The Grand Chessboard, as well as Between Two Ages: Americas role in the Technocratic Era.
This is not the acts of simple tewwowists, like the racist folks who attempted to bomb some churches in SC recently.
These guys have ties, and are backed by Western-nations who have interests in IS.
You can literally show folks videos of presidential candidates showing their viable support for IS (before IS became IS of course, when they were "moderate rebels"), and they still will pander to the view that it is "Muslim extremism."
Although dragon tales and imaginary princess stories surely have assisted to the "I kill in the name of God," flawed ideology, these ideologies don't mean much - however, give these ideologies one of the worlds biggest stages, prop them up, and watch it all unfold?
Problem. Reaction. Solution.
ATS has changed so much since I've joined, I think I may be moving on. The relentless rhetoric of those with little to no interest in these things, yet the continual shouting of the voice-box, denying ignorance is no longer a staple of discussion.
PARIS (Sputnik) — The upcoming 2015 UN Climate Conference in Paris (COP21) will not be canceled in the wake of deadly attacks that hit the French capital, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Saturday.
From November 30 to December 11, France is scheduled to host and chair the Conference of the Parties to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change. The event is expected to result in the signing of a global agreement on climate change, introducing a legally binding and universal strategy on the issue.
"No, no, no, no, no, the COP21 must take place. It will be held in conditions of high security, since it is absolutely necessary for the conference to combat climate change. Of course, it will take place," Fabius told reporters.
originally posted by: Rosinitiate
...You can teach dumb but you can't teach stupid.
...asking the most obvious question, "who benefits?" Is apparently lost on your average useless eater.
originally posted by: Metallicus
I don't know who is behind this heinous attack, but I have learned from 9/11 and will no longer react with emotion. I don't have enough information to assess the situation and will withhold my judgment and subsequent solutions for when we have more data.
I refuse to be manipulated anymore.
originally posted by: soficrow
originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Regardless of who did it, we need to remember those that have lost their lives and of course the people they have left behind, for all of them, life will never be the same again.
True, and not to diminish my real sympathy - BUT - if we do not use our brains, NOW, life will never be the same again for any of us. These attacks will be used to justify greater surveillance and even less privacy round the world - and likely, WW3.
As the great John Lennon once said, 'All you need is love'.
Yes.
originally posted by: RomeByFire
a reply to: soficrow
...I wouldn't say it's a far cry to say that we have, or continue to, fund, arm, and train IS.
...What harm is being done by attempting to understand the complex nature of terrorism, and the geo-political scale of proxy-wars with an ever-changing line-up of "allies, terrorists, moderate terrorists?"
...The over-simplistic and emotional responses of, "no, just friggin no," it was tewwowists being tewwowists who wants to takes my fweedumbs, take precedent over any actual debate regarding IS.
...we have put much more of an emphasis on attempting to overthrow Assad than fighting IS. It, also, just so happens, that IS is, too, attempting to overthrow Assad.
Hmmmm.
Oh, and you may want to read The Grand Chessboard, as well as Between Two Ages: Americas role in the Technocratic Era.
This is not the acts of simple tewwowists, like the racist folks who attempted to bomb some churches in SC recently.
These guys have ties, and are backed by Western-nations who have interests in IS. ...
After nearly a year of air strikes led by the U.S. and ground attacks by the U.S.-trained Iraqi army, the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) is proving to be a far more cagey and cunning foe than the Pentagon ever expected. A big reason for its success is the George W. Bush Administration’s decision to disband the Iraqi army shortly after the 2003 invasion—without the knowledge or consent of either the Pentagon or President.
corporatocracy
A society or system that is governed or controlled by corporations
originally posted by: samuraidawg
If it was ISIS, they have made a huge strategical error with the Paris bombings. Big mistake.
originally posted by: MrMasterMinder
The way i see it:
-We funded and trained isis to fight for us in Syria.
-Suddenly there is a immigrant crisis which is blown out of all proportion.
-We start rumors that ISIS might have been part of the immigrants.
-We pull false flag attacks in Paris using a group like Gladio.
-We can now have a legitimate reason to attack ISIS/Syria.
Classic false flag.
I love the way they found a Syrian passport at the Paris attacks. Hey why not? The public fell for that one at 911 so why not use it again?
originally posted by: MrMasterMinder
originally posted by: MrMasterMinder
The way i see it:
-We funded and trained isis to fight for us in Syria.
-Suddenly there is a immigrant crisis which is blown out of all proportion.
-We start rumors that ISIS might have been part of the immigrants.
-We pull false flag attacks in Paris using a group like Gladio.
-We can now have a legitimate reason to attack ISIS/Syria.
Classic false flag.
I love the way they found a Syrian passport at the Paris attacks. Hey why not? The public fell for that one at 911 so why not use it again?
Seriously there is nothing to gain for "ISIS" to do these attacks..the only response would be Europe destroying ISIS. It achieves nothing for them.
originally posted by: Jonjonj
No, just friggin no!!! Not every friggin thing is directed by some hidden secret evil power.
Evil is evil, it needs no excuses and it helps nobody to make excuses for it.