Attacks in Paris LIVE - Multiple Shootings, Hostages, Suicide Bombers, and Explosions 120 Dead +

originally posted by: skyblueworld
I'm angry and upset, this world is #ing #.

I would just like to know how a group of migrants can pull of a 6 prong terrorist attack with little to no planning in a 1st world country. Almost as impressive as 911.

I mean when I think about what it would take to get the weapons and the group together, plan it out and coordinate it over time without it leaking to the western intelligence services, is quite the #ing feat.

But than again, so many people don't even bother to ask how multiple skyscrapers collapse in their footprint on the same day either. So there's that.

originally posted by: gps777
a reply to: symphonyofblase

The way it works is I cannot or anyone prove it for you, get it or find it yourself for YOUR own personal proof.

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Actually, the way it works is, you prove the claims you choose to stand behind. Only then will we believe.

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: skyblueworld
I'm angry and upset, this world is #ing #.

I would just like to know how a group of migrants can pull of a 6 prong terrorist attack with little to no planning in a 1st world country. Almost as impressive as 911.

I mean when I think about what it would take to get the weapons and the group together, plan it out and coordinate it over time without it leaking to the western intelligence services, is quite the #ing feat.

But than again, so many people don't even bother to ask how multiple skyscrapers collapse in their footprint on the same day either. So there's that.

We are talking about "france", Bin Laden could have hidden in France. Their authorities aren't the best in the world. I don't think this compares to 9/11.

These terrorists in my opinion were born and lived in France. Not migrants as....straight from Syria over the boat migrants.

Thoughts to all the victims and their familys. I went to bed early last night, and woke up to all this absolutley shocking news.S&F now going to read the threads

a reply to: gps777

Hey don't run away darling.
It was just getting interesting.

originally posted by: Debunkology

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: skyblueworld
I'm angry and upset, this world is #ing #.

I would just like to know how a group of migrants can pull of a 6 prong terrorist attack with little to no planning in a 1st world country. Almost as impressive as 911.

I mean when I think about what it would take to get the weapons and the group together, plan it out and coordinate it over time without it leaking to the western intelligence services, is quite the #ing feat.

But than again, so many people don't even bother to ask how multiple skyscrapers collapse in their footprint on the same day either. So there's that.

We are talking about "france", Bin Laden could have hidden in France. Their authorities aren't the best in the world. I don't think this compares to 9/11.

These terrorists in my opinion were born and lived in France. Not migrants as....straight from Syria over the boat migrants.

Ok, so homegrown terrorism, yet, the first second the assassin gets he lets it be known he's Syrian ISIS.

Let's all just rationalize the irrational.

The west spends half a decade and billions if not trillions in Syria in a proxy war to oust Assad. The west never intended to stabilize Syria, on the contrary, what was happening is as it should. Which also gives the west context for the boogeyman ISIS. Russia uses the West's propaganda machine against them and uses the context of ISIS as an excuse to assist Assad.

Naturally the west is angered. The downing of a Russian passenger plane was no accident, nor was the death of Putin's confidant in DC. Bad Russia!

Now how does the west get back in the game. I mean after all, are we going to walk away from trillions in spent booty and give a very strategic location to Russia unabated? No, of course not.

But, here's the rub. The western populace sees Russia in the right so what can the west do? Simp,e, change the way they look at it. Make it personal.

This personal enough?

Pages of reading says yes.

What a horrible loss of life. We are all in support of France and its people. May you recover stronger than before.

I hope what ever makes France such an attractive target gets fixed. I have my theories but here is not the place.

There was a tweet posted on the other other thread, that was supposedly from a suspended account affiliated with the Islamic State.

It reads.."Paris today Rome and London tomorrow and this to a little less than sin crosses next worst"

little less than sin crosses? I don`t understand that.

And I`m hoping those other countries aren`t hit tomorrow.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

I cant for the life of me see how this is the right issue to push Russian propaganda on. At least let the blood cool.

There is no saving grace for the Russian side of the worlds problems or its current geopolitical makeup. Russia is no more innocent in the ME than anyone else.

Here and now, France is a fat target for terrorism and people are dead. In fact France has had terrorism in the news since before Russia came out of its collapse and back on the worls stage as a back door finaceer to opposition groups and radicals throughout Europe.

a reply to: Sremmos80

I would say death of loved ones or friends can make some on go from 0-100 real quick, no time for middle ground.

Thank you for proving my point. They go from 0-100 - from no opinion to extremist, right through moderate. I have lost friends and family. Think of all the people who lost friends and family on 9/11. What of them? Are they terrorists now?

Your arguments are always the same - BS. It never changes with you. Enough. Your tactics are always the same. Ignore what people are actually saying, pervert it into something incendiary that will insult and anger them and take the conversation off course, then claim some kind of imaginary victory. Enough already.

There are far more then ten now. Even you cant deny that.

If you dont understand that a great many of these shooters had psychological issues and were on meds and seeing professionals then you dont understand a damn thing.

Yeah it is BS that 150+ people had to die. Thank you liberals for making it possible.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Rosinitiate

I cant for the life of me see how this is the right issue to push Russian propaganda on. At least let the blood cool.

There is no saving grace for the Russian side of the worlds problems or its current geopolitical makeup. Russia is no more innocent in the ME than anyone else.

Here and now, France is a fat target for terrorism and people are dead. In fact France has had terrorism in the news since before Russia came out of its collapse and back on the worls stage as a back door finaceer to opposition groups and radicals throughout Europe.

I know, silly me. I'm suppose to have a knee jerk response and never ever EVER question things so TABOO. Noted, thanks.

I guess I'm just a cold senseless conspiracy theorist with no love for the common man. I'd prefer to use the fresh deaths and loss of countless souls to push some "Russian Agenda", even though I'd prefer a western totalitarian regime over a Russian one.

Or maybe, just maybe I'm tired of all the lies and manipulation. Taboo's be damned. I know, nothing worse than having to accept being lied to. It's embarrassing and hurts the ego.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Rosinitiate

I cant for the life of me see how this is the right issue to push Russian propaganda on. At least let the blood cool.

There is no saving grace for the Russian side of the worlds problems or its current geopolitical makeup. Russia is no more innocent in the ME than anyone else.

Here and now, France is a fat target for terrorism and people are dead. In fact France has had terrorism in the news since before Russia came out of its collapse and back on the worls stage as a back door finaceer to opposition groups and radicals throughout Europe.

What ever russias overall motive or actions elsewere in this case Russia and Europe goal now are the same.
The stabilising of syria and eradication of iSIS. Playing game of terrorists and proxy wars be dammed.

a reply to: Debunkology

These terrorists in my opinion were born and lived in France. Not migrants as....straight from Syria over the boat migrants.

Well that's not entirely true , one of the dead terrorists had a Syrian passport. .

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Um, what?

Taboo? You are going off about Russia! Did I miss something? How about we just get rid of Isis.

If Russia was what you say they are, they would lead the effort to end these people. I mean, LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID NOW......ISIS. not the US, Russia or France. Beyond that I dont care which flag is flying over their grave.

The knee jerk reaction is turning this into every other thread. How about we keep things in perspective. Isis is the enemy, the agressor, the "bad guy".

Rage on them.

originally posted by: smurfy
Everyone should knock of the religious bit, no one 'religion' holds the high moral ground over the thousands of years of oppressive religious culture. There is good in the human soul, and good men know what's right and what's wrong, and they don't need a religion to tell them that.
As for last night, it was a tragedy acted on innocent men, women and children by terrorists from wherever they come nothing more nothing less, and exactly the same as happened in the country I live in, where thousands of innocents died, yet many of the terrorists are still living. These killings are deliberate acts, they always are. R.I.P. to all those who have died.
I can only hope Francois Hollande will take a firm but fair hand to protect his country and borders. He is a Socialist, but is said to be hawkish on foreign policy.

Sweeping the fact the attackers where Muslim and inspired or directed by ISIS does bring religion and more importantly the ideology of Islam into it! In all religions there are extremist! Problem is is our modern world Extremist followers of Islam are the ones going around proactively killing people. Please don't give me the "ISIS is not based on Islamic ideology crap" Sadly many EU countries are screwed. Sweden, France, Germany, and others are allowing the Islamic masses invade their countries. For gods sake Since 1975 Rape in Sweden is up over a 1000%. I'm sure Obama will be importing some here and I'm sure some of them will have evil intent. It's only a matter of time! Gladly I'm prepared to protect me and mine and trained to do so.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Rosinitiate

Um, what?

Taboo? You are going off about Russia! Did I miss something? How about we just get rid of Isis.

If Russia was what you say they are, they would lead the effort to end these people. I mean, LOOK WHAT THEY DID NOW......ISIS. not the US, Russia or France. Beyond that I dont care which flag is flying over their grave.

The knee jerk reaction is turning thia into everyother thread. How about we keep things in perspective. Isis is the enemy, the agressor, the "bad guy".

Rage on them.

Hey, seriously don't think, it's for your own good.

How can you not see how ALL of this is tied together?

Everything we've done in Syria is about to be lost because of Russian intervention. Now the west has an excuse to get boots on the ground. it's the typical playbook and judging by your response, there isn't any need to change it up. It still works. Carry on, let's go kill ISIS!

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: skyblueworld
I'm angry and upset, this world is #ing #.

I would just like to know how a group of migrants can pull of a 6 prong terrorist attack with little to no planning in a 1st world country. Almost as impressive as 911.

I mean when I think about what it would take to get the weapons and the group together, plan it out and coordinate it over time without it leaking to the western intelligence services, is quite the #ing feat.

But than again, so many people don't even bother to ask how multiple skyscrapers collapse in their footprint on the same day either. So there's that.

Lol ISIS supply lines are literally in clear view! They're not even that sophisticated, but their backers sure are, enough to keep their lines totally safe for them to operate, on HIGHWAYS!

I knew people would be arguing about the witness reports, it doesn't surprise me in the least that in a chaotic situation people will hear or see things differently to others.

I'm thinking the concert hall was picked out for a couple of reasons,
1) lack of security and searches compared to somewhere like the sports stadium where the president was. The terrorists only seem to have managed to blow themselves up outside the stadium and no other casualties.

2) it's a rock concert and it would have been extremely loud giving the killers had more time to fire without people realising what was going on or what the noise was.

I think the second point has led to some of the confusion about what was or wasn't shouted. If you were near the stage you likely didn't hear much. Towards the back where they came in you might have heard what they shouted. There are reports that people heard them talking about Syria, this seemed to be after the initial shooting and after the band had stopped playing and fled the stage. Obviously if the people near the stage had hidden in other rooms by then, they wouldn't have heard this either.

another factor in the reports is the bias of any media stations/ publications. The Daily Mail which is quite a xenophobic newspaper is reporting that witnesses heard people shout 'Allah al akbar' but doesn't include the statements of people that heard nothing, they are obviously choosing to emphasise the one witness over the others because it's more dramatic and is clearly Islamic...it doesn't mean automatically mean one account is false over another.

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Rosinitiate

Um, what?

Taboo? You are going off about Russia! Did I miss something? How about we just get rid of Isis.

If Russia was what you say they are, they would lead the effort to end these people. I mean, LOOK WHAT THEY DID NOW......ISIS. not the US, Russia or France. Beyond that I dont care which flag is flying over their grave.

The knee jerk reaction is turning thia into everyother thread. How about we keep things in perspective. Isis is the enemy, the agressor, the "bad guy".

Rage on them.

Hey, seriously don't think, it's for your own good.

How can you not see how ALL of this is tied together?

Everything we've done in Syria is about to be lost because of Russian intervention. Now the west has an excuse to get boots on the ground. it's the typical playbook and judging by your response, there isn't any need to change it up. It still works. Carry on, let's go kill ISIS!

What exactly have we done in Syria besides uproot people and bomb a bunch of # illegally? All for just one "Dictator" the average American doesn't even know or care to know. First it was Mr. Dicatator, then when the public said no to an invasion that was going to be another Iraq, suddenly ISIS springs up ... of course, all because we "didn't go in when we had the chance."

Ba ha ha!

All these 11s and 13s and murders are starting to get to me, maaan! I'm think I'm turning communist!