Attacks in Paris LIVE - Multiple Shootings, Hostages, Suicide Bombers, and Explosions 120 Dead +

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
The very first news report I heard said witnesses heard the shooters shouting "alla akbar". I have not heard that since the very first report. Did anyone else hear that and if so, have you heard it since the first report?

I haven't read anything like that, what location was this supposedly at?
The attackers at the Bataclan Theatre said nothing.

www.abc.net.au...

Julian Pierce, a journalist from Europe 1 radio, was inside the Bataclan theatre in eastern Paris on Friday night when shooting began.

We heard so many gunshots and the terrorists were very calm, very determined and they reloaded three or four times their weapons and they didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything

Asked if he could hear what language they were speaking, he replied, "Nothing. I heard nothing, just the yelling and screaming of the people. They didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything. They said nothing. They just shot. They just shoot. They were just shooting at people.

I was watching the news, either nbc or abc.

The quotes you cited, especially the one, seem very strange. Why would anyone go out of their way to say the shooters did not shout anything and said nothing? If I was talking to the news or the police, I would talk about what they DID do, not what they didnt... I find that questionable at best.

Your comment and reasoning make no sense at all.
The guy is a journalist, how did he go out of his way to make a statement?
He did mention what they did do, and that was shooting silently at people.

Your logic is flawed. If he is a journalist, he is reporting what he was told by witnesses, unless he saw it himself. And I did a quick search and found numerous versions of what happened, including several saying the shooters shouted allahu akbar.

There is a thing called the rashamon effect where people who witness an event often come up with very different versions of what happened.

Dont be so quick to condemn anything different from what you first heard. Due diligence is a necessity in life.

No, YOUR logic is flawed.

He. Was. There. When. It. Happened.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
I had to stop reading the r/ live thread or following twitter. Too emotional. My God, the panic. I can't stop wondering/worrying about all of those people who used social media in the midst of what was going on.

I'm glad I wasn't active on forums in 2001.

This is indeed the age of social media, for better or worse. I cant help but wonder how long it will be before we see the first mid-attack selfie. I really hate to say it, but I honestly believe someone somewhere actually did it...

originally posted by: Starcrossd
a reply to: symphonyofblase

www.france24.com... cker-paris-concert-hall-shouted-allahu-akbar-fired-crowd-witness

Dead Link?

In case anyone missed this humanity in the midst of hell:


#porteouverte

#StrandedInUS

People connecting to help those stranded in place due to the terror attacks. Please don't post to those hashtags unless you actually need to use them.

It's a wonderful thing.

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
The very first news report I heard said witnesses heard the shooters shouting "alla akbar". I have not heard that since the very first report. Did anyone else hear that and if so, have you heard it since the first report?

I haven't read anything like that, what location was this supposedly at?
The attackers at the Bataclan Theatre said nothing.

www.abc.net.au...

Julian Pierce, a journalist from Europe 1 radio, was inside the Bataclan theatre in eastern Paris on Friday night when shooting began.

We heard so many gunshots and the terrorists were very calm, very determined and they reloaded three or four times their weapons and they didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything

Asked if he could hear what language they were speaking, he replied, "Nothing. I heard nothing, just the yelling and screaming of the people. They didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything. They said nothing. They just shot. They just shoot. They were just shooting at people.

I was watching the news, either nbc or abc.

The quotes you cited, especially the one, seem very strange. Why would anyone go out of their way to say the shooters did not shout anything and said nothing? If I was talking to the news or the police, I would talk about what they DID do, not what they didnt... I find that questionable at best.

Your comment and reasoning make no sense at all.
The guy is a journalist, how did he go out of his way to make a statement?
He did mention what they did do, and that was shooting silently at people.

Your logic is flawed. If he is a journalist, he is reporting what he was told by witnesses, unless he saw it himself. And I did a quick search and found numerous versions of what happened, including several saying the shooters shouted allahu akbar.

There is a thing called the rashamon effect where people who witness an event often come up with very different versions of what happened.

Dont be so quick to condemn anything different from what you first heard. Due diligence is a necessity in life.

No, YOUR logic is flawed.

He. Was. There. When. It. Happened.

Well. Good. For. Him. And. Good. For. You.

Now, if we are finished with the Captain Kirk impersonations, how do you explain all the opposing versions of the same event? Also from people who were there...

a reply to: Vroomfondel

There was a guy that was inside the theater that said he didn't hear them say anything.
Not to say it wasn't said else where though.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
The very first news report I heard said witnesses heard the shooters shouting "alla akbar". I have not heard that since the very first report. Did anyone else hear that and if so, have you heard it since the first report?

I haven't read anything like that, what location was this supposedly at?
The attackers at the Bataclan Theatre said nothing.

www.abc.net.au...

Julian Pierce, a journalist from Europe 1 radio, was inside the Bataclan theatre in eastern Paris on Friday night when shooting began.

We heard so many gunshots and the terrorists were very calm, very determined and they reloaded three or four times their weapons and they didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything

Asked if he could hear what language they were speaking, he replied, "Nothing. I heard nothing, just the yelling and screaming of the people. They didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything. They said nothing. They just shot. They just shoot. They were just shooting at people.

I was watching the news, either nbc or abc.

The quotes you cited, especially the one, seem very strange. Why would anyone go out of their way to say the shooters did not shout anything and said nothing? If I was talking to the news or the police, I would talk about what they DID do, not what they didnt... I find that questionable at best.

Your comment and reasoning make no sense at all.
The guy is a journalist, how did he go out of his way to make a statement?
He did mention what they did do, and that was shooting silently at people.

Your logic is flawed. If he is a journalist, he is reporting what he was told by witnesses, unless he saw it himself. And I did a quick search and found numerous versions of what happened, including several saying the shooters shouted allahu akbar.

There is a thing called the rashamon effect where people who witness an event often come up with very different versions of what happened.

Dont be so quick to condemn anything different from what you first heard. Due diligence is a necessity in life.

No, YOUR logic is flawed.

He. Was. There. When. It. Happened.

Well. Good. For. Him. And. Good. For. You.

Now, if we are finished with the Captain Kirk impersonations, how do you explain all the opposing versions of the same event? Also from people who were there...

People freak out in intense situations and some completely lose their **** altogether.
They imagine things that didn't even happen. This is common knowledge, I don't even know why I have to explain this.
So I'm going to side with the guy who's been reporting news since 2009, and has probably been trained not to freak out in these situations.

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Starcrossd
a reply to: symphonyofblase

www.france24.com... cker-paris-concert-hall-shouted-allahu-akbar-fired-crowd-witness

Dead Link?

sorry- i fixed it I think

originally posted by: Starcrossd
a reply to: symphonyofblase

www.france24.com... cker-paris-concert-hall-shouted-allahu-akbar-fired-crowd-witness

I know what I heard and I found other news articles that repeated it. I believe there is an effort to hide that particular part of the reporting now.

Now one article says they shouted, "...slogans condemning France's role in Syria" but does not elaborate on what was actually said. Shouting slogans condemning France's role in Syria seems like a lot of work to do while gunning down hundreds of innocent victims.

There have been numerous threads and quotes here at ATS already about news agencies not reporting the whole story on violence by islamist's, especially the recent rash of immigrants in Europe. I don't think we are getting the whole story here.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Vroomfondel

There was a guy from the that was inside the theater that said he didn't hear them say anything.
Not to say it wasn't said else where though.

I tried to address exactly that. The rashamon effect, where people who witness the same event have very different versions of what actually happened. In a closed room, even a stadium, with guns going off there is no telling who heard what at one end of the room compared to the other.

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
The very first news report I heard said witnesses heard the shooters shouting "alla akbar". I have not heard that since the very first report. Did anyone else hear that and if so, have you heard it since the first report?

I haven't read anything like that, what location was this supposedly at?
The attackers at the Bataclan Theatre said nothing.

www.abc.net.au...

Julian Pierce, a journalist from Europe 1 radio, was inside the Bataclan theatre in eastern Paris on Friday night when shooting began.

We heard so many gunshots and the terrorists were very calm, very determined and they reloaded three or four times their weapons and they didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything

Asked if he could hear what language they were speaking, he replied, "Nothing. I heard nothing, just the yelling and screaming of the people. They didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything. They said nothing. They just shot. They just shoot. They were just shooting at people.

I was watching the news, either nbc or abc.

The quotes you cited, especially the one, seem very strange. Why would anyone go out of their way to say the shooters did not shout anything and said nothing? If I was talking to the news or the police, I would talk about what they DID do, not what they didnt... I find that questionable at best.

Your comment and reasoning make no sense at all.
The guy is a journalist, how did he go out of his way to make a statement?
He did mention what they did do, and that was shooting silently at people.

Your logic is flawed. If he is a journalist, he is reporting what he was told by witnesses, unless he saw it himself. And I did a quick search and found numerous versions of what happened, including several saying the shooters shouted allahu akbar.

There is a thing called the rashamon effect where people who witness an event often come up with very different versions of what happened.

Dont be so quick to condemn anything different from what you first heard. Due diligence is a necessity in life.

No, YOUR logic is flawed.

He. Was. There. When. It. Happened.

Well. Good. For. Him. And. Good. For. You.

Now, if we are finished with the Captain Kirk impersonations, how do you explain all the opposing versions of the same event? Also from people who were there...

People freak out in intense situations and some completely lose their **** altogether.
They imagine things that didn't even happen. This is common knowledge, I don't even know why I have to explain this.
So I'm going to side with the guy who's been reporting news since 2009, and has probably been trained not to freak out in these situations.

I find it amusing that you can say "people freak out in intense situations and some completely lose their **** altogether. They imagine things that didn't even happen." Yet you also believe that this one reporter has somehow been "trained" to not freak out. He must be some kind of superman...who was also a reporter... lmao

There are more news agencies now reporting that the shooters did shout allahu akbar. One persons perspective is not the whole picture. And who knows, maybe your reporter is the one who freaked out, lost his **** and reported something that never even happened...

originally posted by: gps777

Albert Pike and Three World Wars

Who was Albert Pike


Pay particular notice that it was penned in 1871 before WW1 and WW2 and what was said about the coming WW3


did you notice WW4 wasn`t mentioned?

What!? Wow! I have heard the name but never read his account before-- incredible and scary accurate. Thanks for posting the links

a reply to: DerekJR321

How'd that work out for ya? Hows that "no guns" thing workin out too? Maybe if your citizens were armed they could have stopped this.

Just the statement I was looking for.

I knew sombody with some huevos referred to this because
I would have. You gotta work on that delivery just a tad tho.



Brutal

So tragic. Been watching the news and reading here. Makes my heart hurt to know the numbers of victims will climb from here. Is there a member who lives in Paris? Even if this wasn't refugees, won't this cause others to follow suit?



a reply to: gps777

I just read through the first link. Is this real? Sorry, I don't know of a better way to put it. I'd never heard the name before.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
The very first news report I heard said witnesses heard the shooters shouting "alla akbar". I have not heard that since the very first report. Did anyone else hear that and if so, have you heard it since the first report?

I haven't read anything like that, what location was this supposedly at?
The attackers at the Bataclan Theatre said nothing.

www.abc.net.au...

Julian Pierce, a journalist from Europe 1 radio, was inside the Bataclan theatre in eastern Paris on Friday night when shooting began.

We heard so many gunshots and the terrorists were very calm, very determined and they reloaded three or four times their weapons and they didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything

Asked if he could hear what language they were speaking, he replied, "Nothing. I heard nothing, just the yelling and screaming of the people. They didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything. They said nothing. They just shot. They just shoot. They were just shooting at people.

I was watching the news, either nbc or abc.

The quotes you cited, especially the one, seem very strange. Why would anyone go out of their way to say the shooters did not shout anything and said nothing? If I was talking to the news or the police, I would talk about what they DID do, not what they didnt... I find that questionable at best.

Your comment and reasoning make no sense at all.
The guy is a journalist, how did he go out of his way to make a statement?
He did mention what they did do, and that was shooting silently at people.

Your logic is flawed. If he is a journalist, he is reporting what he was told by witnesses, unless he saw it himself. And I did a quick search and found numerous versions of what happened, including several saying the shooters shouted allahu akbar.

There is a thing called the rashamon effect where people who witness an event often come up with very different versions of what happened.

Dont be so quick to condemn anything different from what you first heard. Due diligence is a necessity in life.

No, YOUR logic is flawed.

He. Was. There. When. It. Happened.

Well. Good. For. Him. And. Good. For. You.

Now, if we are finished with the Captain Kirk impersonations, how do you explain all the opposing versions of the same event? Also from people who were there...

People freak out in intense situations and some completely lose their **** altogether.
They imagine things that didn't even happen. This is common knowledge, I don't even know why I have to explain this.
So I'm going to side with the guy who's been reporting news since 2009, and has probably been trained not to freak out in these situations.

I find it amusing that you can say "people freak out in intense situations and some completely lose their **** altogether. They imagine things that didn't even happen." Yet you also believe that this one reporter has somehow been "trained" to not freak out. He must be some kind of superman...who was also a reporter... lmao

There are more news agencies now reporting that the shooters did shout allahu akbar. One persons perspective is not the whole picture. And who knows, maybe your reporter is the one who freaked out, lost his **** and reported something that never even happened...

I find it amusing that, if we use the logic you just applied, it merely renders both sides of the story not credible.
Yet you have already chosen a side before anything has been confirmed.

originally posted by: gps777

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: IAMTAT

In my opinion Islamic extremists such as ISIS, al qaeda, etc... want us in the ME specifically because we create power vacuums that they can then fill. They want us to clear out the moderates, the 'liberal' and those that want to progress beyond traditional roles and ways of life, they want to be left with a traumatized, poor, starving populace that they can 'save'. Continuing to accommodate them or foster them even because we want their resources is foolish.

By design?

Albert Pike and Three World Wars

Who was Albert Pike


Pay particular notice that it was penned in 1871 before WW1 and WW2 and what was said about the coming WW3.












did you notice WW4 wasn`t mentioned?

That letter has been debunked plenty of times, William Guy Carr who first wrote about the letter admits he never saw it, and the museum it was supposed to be at didn't have it/never had a record for it. There have been multiple threads about the subject on here.

a reply to: Kentuckymama

Makes my heart hurt to know the numbers of victims will climb from here.

That there even are any victims is only something you've
heard. You can believe it if you like?

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
The very first news report I heard said witnesses heard the shooters shouting "alla akbar". I have not heard that since the very first report. Did anyone else hear that and if so, have you heard it since the first report?

I haven't read anything like that, what location was this supposedly at?
The attackers at the Bataclan Theatre said nothing.

www.abc.net.au...

Julian Pierce, a journalist from Europe 1 radio, was inside the Bataclan theatre in eastern Paris on Friday night when shooting began.

We heard so many gunshots and the terrorists were very calm, very determined and they reloaded three or four times their weapons and they didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything

Asked if he could hear what language they were speaking, he replied, "Nothing. I heard nothing, just the yelling and screaming of the people. They didn't shout anything. They didn't say anything. They said nothing. They just shot. They just shoot. They were just shooting at people.

I was watching the news, either nbc or abc.

The quotes you cited, especially the one, seem very strange. Why would anyone go out of their way to say the shooters did not shout anything and said nothing? If I was talking to the news or the police, I would talk about what they DID do, not what they didnt... I find that questionable at best.

Your comment and reasoning make no sense at all.
The guy is a journalist, how did he go out of his way to make a statement?
He did mention what they did do, and that was shooting silently at people.

Your logic is flawed. If he is a journalist, he is reporting what he was told by witnesses, unless he saw it himself. And I did a quick search and found numerous versions of what happened, including several saying the shooters shouted allahu akbar.

There is a thing called the rashamon effect where people who witness an event often come up with very different versions of what happened.

Dont be so quick to condemn anything different from what you first heard. Due diligence is a necessity in life.

No, YOUR logic is flawed.

He. Was. There. When. It. Happened.

Well. Good. For. Him. And. Good. For. You.

Now, if we are finished with the Captain Kirk impersonations, how do you explain all the opposing versions of the same event? Also from people who were there...

People freak out in intense situations and some completely lose their **** altogether.
They imagine things that didn't even happen. This is common knowledge, I don't even know why I have to explain this.
So I'm going to side with the guy who's been reporting news since 2009, and has probably been trained not to freak out in these situations.

I find it amusing that you can say "people freak out in intense situations and some completely lose their **** altogether. They imagine things that didn't even happen." Yet you also believe that this one reporter has somehow been "trained" to not freak out. He must be some kind of superman...who was also a reporter... lmao

There are more news agencies now reporting that the shooters did shout allahu akbar. One persons perspective is not the whole picture. And who knows, maybe your reporter is the one who freaked out, lost his **** and reported something that never even happened...

I find it amusing that, if we use the logic you just applied, it merely renders both sides of the story not credible.
Yet you have already chosen a side before anything has been confirmed.

You obviously made your choice in what you are going to believe. You cite a reference and choose to believe it while fabricating fantasy about how other people's sources cant be trusted. You choose to ignore the numerous sources now reporting what happened and can not acknowledge that perhaps not everyone heard/saw the same thing. If it doesn't fit your personal view it simply cant be real. I leave you to your fabricated world. I prefer to live in the real one, even with atrocious acts of savagery like this...

I am flipping through the channels and I am disturbed by the number of people I see telling the world to be careful not to blame all of islam for the acts of a few extremists, "IF" that is who did this. That bothers me. No one starts out on the far side of extreme and tones it down to the level of an extremist. Every extremist passed through the stage of moderate on the way to becoming extreme. Today's moderate could be tomorrow's suicide bomber. When is it ok to err on the side of caution?

a reply to: randyvs

Are you saying you don't believe there were any people killed tonight? Sorry, just trying to understand your comment.

Europe has been invaded. The U.S. has been invaded. And Liberal policies are now a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER!

Period