Time for GOP panic? Establishment worried Carson or Trump might win

I was just saying last night:

"You know, if John McCain had picked another running partner -- he would have stood a really, really good chance at being POTUS, and more might have been accomplished in the last 7 years."

At least McCain was fairly moderate for a conservative GOP Republican, he could work across isles to get things done. I think he was conservative where it mattered to a lot of people, and compromising where he needed to be.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Except for the hawkishness. But, hey, given Libya, Iraq (again), Syria and the rise of ISIS, maybe he was right all along?

Wait, what am I saying!?

No. LOL!

The political machine doesn't care what the electorate wants. They only answer to the Corporations that funnel money to the insiders in government. They don't spend Billions on lobbyists, kickbacks, and board positions for nothing.

We get the best government money can buy...

All this conservative, liberal, political party BS is just a theater of the absurd to make the plebes think they have a choice and actually matter in the elections.

The real power isn't in Washington. Its in the pentagon, the chrome and glass board rooms in NY and the private exclusive country clubs in Southern California.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I was just saying last night:

"You know, if John McCain had picked another running partner -- he would have stood a really, really good chance at being POTUS, and more might have been accomplished in the last 7 years."

At least McCain was fairly moderate for a conservative GOP Republican, he could work across isles to get things done. I think he was conservative where it mattered to a lot of people, and compromising where he needed to be.

Palin and Obama were the only reason McCain got so many votes. The conservatives hoped McCain really hoped would kick off, and the establishment was scared enough of Obama to vote for the codger.

If it had been McCain vs Clinton in 2008, I would have voted Barr. As it was, Obama convinced me to hold my nose and vote GOP. I told myself I was voting for Palin because the GOP hates her.

a reply to: FlySolo

What blood? Did you see the sink she washed her hands in lol.

It's all a big show anyway. Even if Trump, Carson or another GOP were to "win", doesn't mean a thing. The same people have oversight behind the scenes. GOP is too complacent in running the House, plus they don't want the responsibility it it were reversed, if the Dems ran the house.

Per chance that Trump is working with Hillary on this. Hillary has a hold on Obama but he angers her. Wonder if Bernie can get away from her grasp, but soon enough he will be slandered enough to make way for her while gathering enough support from the once non Hillary voters who don't like the GOP candidates.

The more extreme the GOP comes off the better the chance for her. Oh well, what does it matter it's all the same. The things that are going anywhere worth a damn, such as Marijuana legalization, is beyond these people but up to states, all while the top keeps up about divisive topics.

Still makes you wonder about that time Hillary and Obama went missing simultaneously. I always wondered what had been worked out.

The field is a bit strange. We have Carson with a lot of religious support. Trump is pulling in the libertarians/tea party types either one could split the party and hand the left a win. Honestly I see the left complain about the two party system but seldom see them consider a right leaning candidate. Even someone like Ron Paul seemed to have left appeal to me. Rand doesn't seem to be as genuine as his father. The rest are all establishment besides Carly and I think she will be finished soon unless they try to shoehorn her in as a VP for diversity which could be extended to Carson as well for the religious right.

Then again a Trump/Carson ticket might pull something off. Who knows. No one expected Obama. I was certain it will be a right POTUS though considering the usual swing of the pendulum but at this point I am no longer certain seeing as I have underestimated my fellow citizens and their irrational support for Hillary.

I don't think it matters either way for the average person because only someone preordained will be allowed to accomplish anything.I do think it does make an interesting scenario to study the thoughts of others.

The people are making it clear they don't want another bought and paid for POTUS, it's so frustrating that after the Democratic debate the MSM declared Hillary the winner, when Bernie was leading in some polls by as much as 70%. ...so maybe Hillary is the "chosen" one. If by some miracle we get an "outsider" on the ticket we better pay close attention to who the VP is too....remember JFK....things went down hill once Johnson took control of the White House...but that's a whole other subject.

Bernie is the clear choice if you want to say NO MORE CORPORATE CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT...we already are a socialist democracy and we can work out the details once we get rid of BIG MONEY in politics !!

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: kosmicjack

Wouldn't that be wonderful to have a candidate for President with no previous political experience? The more a candidate is shunned by the establishment the more I think we might be moving in the right direction.

I appreciate the sentiment but being an "outsider" simply isn't enough of a reason for me to vote for Carson or Trump under any circumstance except perhaps if I found myself in an alternate reality where one of them switched to the Democrats, got the nomination and they were running against one another in the election and then I'd vote for Trump over Carson (regardless of party). I would vote for practically anyone from among all of the candidates from both parties — except maybe Ted Cruz — over either of them.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: kosmicjack

Wouldn't that be wonderful to have a candidate for President with no previous political experience? The more a candidate is shunned by the establishment the more I think we might be moving in the right direction.

How successful has that strategy been for other companies to take a random person with no relevant experience, and let them run their organization?

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
I wonder when they are going to start talking about actually fixing sh!t like job creation, foreign policies, domestic spending and upgrades to infrastructure and the other stuff that the 99% actually need addressing?

That sounds to me like welfare. These are Republicans, they want to cut welfare. The government isn't going to create any jobs, if you want a job go out and make it for yourself. Domestic spending is obviously going away, and our infrastructure is going to be privatized because it's cheaper. Enjoy every road becoming a toll road.

On the other hand, we're going to cut a trillion dollars in taxes, and then increase defense spending by a trillion dollars. Those tax cuts will raise revenues enough to handle it.

originally posted by: ketsuko
The problem the GOP has is that they haven't yet put their base on the reservation like the Democrats have, and the Democrats have the problem that their base is going off the rails now too. The Democrats are leading a fragile coalition of special interest groups that don't remotely resemble the rich, white elites who purport to lead them. Black Lives Matter at least has caught on to this and it's only a matter of time before the other groups get it also.

And with the GOP ... well, the voters are tired of electing candidates we are told are the most electable and having them go to Washington and do jack. The GOP created their bed and they'll lay in it, and quite possibly so will we, but what other method to send a clear message is there?

Here's the GOP's problem: What the GOP is asking for at a federal level is insane and outright impossible. It cannot be done, you might as well be asking for manned missions to Alpha Centauri. They elect outsiders who have no experience with making things happen, and throw out the establishment that can try to get some of their requests fufilled. When nothing happens in the next election cycle, they throw the whole batch out and bring in more who either lie about what they can do, or are so inexperienced they just promise what they don't know they can't do.

Which one is the least likely to take the country to war. I'd vote for that guy

The GOP ain't panicing nor will they panic. It was last election or the one before it but the powers that be pretty much told their base that we're gonna front whoever we damn well please, who cares what you think.

In essence, will Carson or Trump be the republican choice for president?

Nope, not at all.

originally posted by: kosmicjack

I get that neither Trump nor Carson seem to be realistic candidates as compared to Hillary

You... You're kidding, right? I mean, no one could really think that...

Every single liberal democrat that I know in real life hates Hillary Clinton. All of them are pushing for Sanders. My Facebook is covered with memes by them supporting Sanders.

Where are all these supporters that Hillary is suppose to have???

On the opposite: all the conservative republicans I know in real life are cheering on Carson. Most make fun of Trump.

a reply to: peskyhumans

LoL! Poorly worded? Sorry. I mean simply that they aren't as polished and rehearsed as she is. Let's face it, she's got decades of campaign and political experience. No one could watch her Benghazi hearing performance and not concede that she's unflappable.

originally posted by: eriktheawful

Where are all these supporters that Hillary is suppose to have???

Right!? That's a great thread in itself. Is it a conspiracy to shove her down our throats or is polling complete BS? Or both?

Rick Santorum was polling at 2% before the Iowa Caucus in 2012. He ended up winning it.

a reply to: kosmicjack

I know!

I have an ex-wife that is extreme Left.

She said she'd vote for Trump or Carson before voting for Hillary! As anti-conservative as she is, that's saying a lot coming from her!