Dawkins and Tyson discuss addressing believers & secularists

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: Raggedyman

Sounds interesting, Dawkins with answers and also listening.
Not his normal style that's for sure.

I won't watch, I am just not really interested in anything he has to say

Which I have very little doubt has been your position from the start, and yet somehow you feel informed enough to know what his normal style is, for sure! Give me a break.

Let's take for example William Lane Craig. I don't side with him at all. Yet I am very familiar with his 'normal style'. I am so because I have watched many full debates of his. I'm informed.

If you want to actually be informed about Dawkins you have to watch and listen to him. Otherwise you're just parroting some slander you heard about Dawkins.

I have read a couple of his books, sorry to disappoint you. Give me the break

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Naturally, I've seen people here on ATS who unashamedly say they won't vote for an atheist. Naturally that is their right. It's just sad that people think that religion and politics should be married together even though the Constitution says otherwise.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I won't watch, I am just not really interested in anything he has to say, just another atheist Evangelist

And yet you claimed to have made your way through not one but two of his books....

If it's not a religion why preach it, why try to win converts as Dawkins does.
I just don't get it

Not being a theist is not in any way a religion.....this seems to be a hard thing for some religious people to comprehend.

If anything he encourages deconversion.

Yeah, wanted to see what all the fuss was about, was some years ago

Thought he was a sensationalist and ignorant man

I read them a couple of years apart, one book was a gift and another I found in the library.

I didn't read either book from cover to cover, just read the points he made

That was enough, I don't remember most of his thoughts, don't really care to

Found his preaching a little tiring, for a non religious man he does sermonise a lot

He encourages conversion to atheism

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Naturally, I've seen people here on ATS who unashamedly say they won't vote for an atheist. Naturally that is their right. It's just sad that people think that religion and politics should be married together even though the Constitution says otherwise.

I agree, religion and politics don't mix. Sadly atheism and politics don't mix either.
I would have no issues voting for an atheist providing they had the good of the community in mind.
Sadly religious or not, politicians seem to be self focused, party focused

I think it's a US thing you have to deal with.
I voted for a trained Jesuit at the last election, I don't like the Catholic Church at all, he seemed like the best option. Guess what, he wasn't

The truth is if people want to vote for a person or not another, it's their right, you sound as if you want to impose your will on them and take it away.
Dictators don't make good politicians

a reply to: Raggedyman

To me religion doesn't matter either. I didn't even know Sanders was Jewish. I've been endorsing him for a few months now though.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Yeah, wanted to see what all the fuss was about, was some years ago

Thought he was a sensationalist and ignorant man

So even if any of this were true, you already had your mind made up?

I read them a couple of years apart, one book was a gift and another I found in the library.

You dont seem to be the type of person that would be bought a Richard Dawkins book as a gift.

I didn't read either book from cover to cover, just read the points he made

Yeah you didn't read either book if that's all you actually did.

He encourages conversion to atheism

No, if you'd read any of his works you'd know that he encourages deconversion . After all, atheism is the lack of theism...

a reply to: Raggedyman

I would have no issues voting for an atheist providing they had the good of the community in mind.

So - hopefully, then - you would be willing to read up on Sanders (and I mean REALLY read up, and watch some of his speeches and the debates) and check his website Bernie Sanders on the issues.

Please don't be as dismissive with him as you were with Dawkins. Dawkins isn't an American, nor is he running for president.
Sanders has a plan for the good of the community. Really.

And there won't be any "slander" dug up about him, I don't think. There's nothing to scandalize.

Here's just a random result I found when I searched "what dirt is there on Bernie Sanders":

I've been following Sanders for years, and there actually isn't any dirt on him. He is the only candidate for President that has never "shifted" "evolved" "wiggled" or "pivoted" on any of his positions.

He also has never accepted large campaign contributions or dark money.

Bernard Sanders is a unique candidate in that he is radically transparent: He tells you exactly where he stands on an issue, and backs that stance with action.

You can trace every penny of contributions that he has accepted directly back to their donors. Bernie has nothing to hide.

The media has tried to make up dirt on Sanders. He was accused in a CNN interview of wanting to make the US more like the Scandinavian socialist democracies: He owned that outright, and demanded to know what would be wrong with it.

Sanders' integrity is very impressive, he is unique amongst all candidates in that he refuses to run a negative campaign. Sanders is running a positive, issues-focused campaign - and that's mighty impressive

Source



I think it's a shame that you won't even investigate what people really say, or listen to them, just because no.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Raggedyman

I would have no issues voting for an atheist providing they had the good of the community in mind.

So - hopefully, then - you would be willing to read up on Sanders (and I mean REALLY read up, and watch some of his speeches and the debates) and check his website Bernie Sanders on the issues.

Please don't be as dismissive with him as you were with Dawkins. Dawkins isn't an American, nor is he running for president.
Sanders has a plan for the good of the community. Really.

And there won't be any "slander" dug up about him, I don't think. There's nothing to scandalize.

Here's just a random result I found when I searched "what dirt is there on Bernie Sanders":

I've been following Sanders for years, and there actually isn't any dirt on him. He is the only candidate for President that has never "shifted" "evolved" "wiggled" or "pivoted" on any of his positions.

He also has never accepted large campaign contributions or dark money.

Bernard Sanders is a unique candidate in that he is radically transparent: He tells you exactly where he stands on an issue, and backs that stance with action.

You can trace every penny of contributions that he has accepted directly back to their donors. Bernie has nothing to hide.

The media has tried to make up dirt on Sanders. He was accused in a CNN interview of wanting to make the US more like the Scandinavian socialist democracies: He owned that outright, and demanded to know what would be wrong with it.

Sanders' integrity is very impressive, he is unique amongst all candidates in that he refuses to run a negative campaign. Sanders is running a positive, issues-focused campaign - and that's mighty impressive

Source


I think it's a shame that you won't even investigate what people really say, or listen to them, just because no.

The only American called sanders I know sells chickens in red and white striped buckets

My money is on the Teflon lady, Hillary will win ts a given.
I am not from the US and reading up on your Sanders doesn't hold a lot of interest

Good men never win in politics, only the corrupt do.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Raggedyman

To me religion doesn't matter either. I didn't even know Sanders was Jewish. I've been endorsing him for a few months now though.

I agree with you (again). I don't care about his religion, but he and I still share a common belief in God. The only issue I have with Sander's is that his entire philosophy is geared towards Socialism and big Government. The problem for me is Socialism necessarily leads to Authoritarianism as a large, strong bureaucracy is necessary for Socialism to function. I am VERY opposed to that big Government which makes me a natural enemy of Socialism and Bernie.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Yeah, wanted to see what all the fuss was about, was some years ago

Thought he was a sensationalist and ignorant man

So even if any of this were true, you already had your mind made up?

I read them a couple of years apart, one book was a gift and another I found in the library.

You dont seem to be the type of person that would be bought a Richard Dawkins book as a gift.

I didn't read either book from cover to cover, just read the points he made

Yeah you didn't read either book if that's all you actually did.

He encourages conversion to atheism

No, if you'd read any of his works you'd know that he encourages deconversion . After all, atheism is the lack of theism...

Yes I had my mind made up, his writings confirmed what I believed

Oddly the book gifted was from an atheist who wanted to convert me to atheism, deconvert me if you must

And finally I didn't read either book, just skim read them, both enough to understand the invalidity of the argument and the ignorance. if you say I didn't read them to your standard, that's fine. I read enough

I did read it enough to have the capacity to discuss it with others

Oddly I have been to a Buddhist meeting was on, a Muslim Service and, Catholic as well.
I am not of those religions and would neve be of those religions, never even considered, just wanted to see what they were about.

The fact you think I didn't read the books says more about you than me

a reply to: Raggedyman

But, what if Sanders clears the hurdle??!!

Oh. Okay. Ok, so no, you don't want (or intend) to read up on either of them because you're not an American. I can understand that - got to admit, I can't keep up with Canadian, British, Australian, German, politics - ANY of it!

I admire those of you who do pay attention.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Well if he is as good as you think then let's hope he does win, I don't fancy his chances.
My money is on the least deserving candidate to win, Hillary, I have no faith in the general US public to vote based on competency, advertising budgets win elections in the US

What happens happens, I have no control.

a reply to: Raggedyman

I think you underestimate the power of voting.

This whole snafu will burn itself out by new-year's day, once the antsy followers who are now adjusting to the autumn scenario

(which, bummer - includes the end of baseball and long evenings - but ushers in several spendy holidays, and in the meantime mostly centered around violence - the NFL -)

are finally too tired and hungover to pay attention, too satisfied with their consumerist acquisitions, and too full (and broke?) to overindulge for a while.

This is all build-up.

a reply to: Raggedyman

I didn't read either book from cover to cover, just read the points he made

Didn't read them. Just the points he made. Hahahah.

Similiar in fashion to how you 'watched' enough of this video and saw his 'normal style' I am sure.

Exactly as I suspected. Just parroting slander you heard about him. So typical.

I'm sure you say similar things towards Hitchens, and Harris. "ignorant sensationalists*.

He encourages conversion to atheism

He encourages people to drop their faith. Were you expecting him to endorse religion with science?

At least I agree with you on Hilary. I think she's going to win as well. I also don't want her elected.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: Raggedyman

I didn't read either book from cover to cover, just read the points he made

Didn't read them. Just the points he made. Hahahah.

Similiar in fashion to how you 'watched' enough of this video and saw his 'normal style' I am sure.

Exactly as I suspected. Just parroting slander you heard about him. So typical.

I'm sure you say similar things towards Hitchens, and Harris. "ignorant sensationalists*.

He encourages conversion to atheism

He encourages people to drop their faith. Were you expecting him to endorse religion with science?

At least I agree with you on Hilary. I think she's going to win as well. I also don't want her elected.

Churlish

I really dont mind what people like yourself think and assume

I didnt watch the video, wasnt interested as I stated.

I dont need to read a book in a few days or weeks to understand them, I can read a book in two hours. I am sorry you have no idea what you are talking about

The fact you need to make a big song and dance, flex your intellect, run others down to feel good indicates more to me about your quotient than I need to know

LL, apt

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Raggedyman

I think you underestimate the power of voting.

How long has Obama been president?

I hope I am wrong

a reply to: Raggedyman

I really dont mind what people like yourself think and assume

That's just it. Only one of us is basing their opinions on assumption. I'm informed. That's what actually reading books, and actually watching videos, grants a person.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Raggedyman

I think you underestimate the power of voting.

This whole snafu will burn itself out by new-year's day, once the antsy followers who are now adjusting to the autumn scenario

(which, bummer - includes the end of baseball and long evenings - but ushers in several spendy holidays, and in the meantime mostly centered around violence - the NFL -)

are finally too tired and hungover to pay attention, too satisfied with their consumerist acquisitions, and too full (and broke?) to overindulge for a while.

This is all build-up.

I think Hillary will remove guns of US citizens and then those who hate the US will
Well you can imagine

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Raggedyman

To me religion doesn't matter either. I didn't even know Sanders was Jewish. I've been endorsing him for a few months now though.

I agree with you (again). I don't care about his religion, but he and I still share a common belief in God. The only issue I have with Sander's is that his entire philosophy is geared towards Socialism and big Government. The problem for me is Socialism necessarily leads to Authoritarianism as a large, strong bureaucracy is necessary for Socialism to function. I am VERY opposed to that big Government which makes me a natural enemy of Socialism and Bernie.

You have a problem with authoritarianism? Ha. Haha. That's funny.