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originally posted by: dffrntkndfnml
a reply to: Tiger5
I'm aways off from second Saturn return. I imagine being older, it could really be taxing. Interesting times though, in light of demographics and the number of Baby Boomers. Hopefully humanity becomes more tempered, with all those older members of society.It could help add some balance to all the technology in the future...
originally posted by: dffrntkndfnml
There is a concept called Saturn Return in astrology.An awareness of Saturn Return and the energy it represents can help shed light on some of the growing pains individuals face.Here's hoping that this info helps to take the edge off some of that stress...
Various qualities are arch-typically associated with Saturn.Setting limits, time, material attachments, the limitations of the material world, wisdom and bridging into the spiritual world are some of the facets that are usually brought up when contemplating Saturn.
Saturn's Astrological Symbol: Matter (cross) taking precedence over mind or human spirit (crescent).The crescent is reminiscent of the sickle, and how Saturn represents an archetype for death, and harvesting.
In the classical world, the Greek myth of Cronus (father time) helps to portray the energies at work.The titan has been suggested to be another incarnation of Chronos, an even older god.
Cronus was the youngest of the Titans, a child of Uranus (Heaven) and Gaea (Earth).Uranus was horrified by his children, imperfect and made of flesh.He bound them in the darkness of the underworld, much to the dismay of Gaea.He didn't want them to see light.
She grew angry and plotted revenge.She fashioned a scythe (variation of a sickle), and asked her children to punish their father for his misdeeds.An astute Cronus rose to the task, fearless amoungst his brethren.
At nightfall, Uranus went to join his wife.When he fell asleep, Cronus castrated his father and threw his genitals into the sea.He freed the titans and ruled over the earth for a period known as a Golden Age, presiding over the cycles of seasons, birth, growth, death and rebirth viewed as both a grim reaper who set the boundaries between which man and nature could not go, and as a fertility god.
Ironically, myth has it that Cronus could not accept the laws he put into place, a prophecy predicted that one of his own son's would overthrow him.He took to swallowing his children in an attempt to keep his rule.His son Zeus overthrew him, and started the reign of the Olympians.
Cronus fate varies in different accounts.Some have Cronus banished into the underworld.Another chained within a cave (Nyx), asleep,drunk on honey,dreaming and prophesying.Another has him reigning or asleep in the Blessed Isles.
Going further back, Chronos was envisioned as self formed god, emerging at the beginning of time.Serpent like, and having three heads (man,bull, and lion) His partner entwined serpentine with him was Ananke (fate) and their coils constricted and split into the earth, heaven and the sea.These forces of fate and time, were thought to drive the rotation of the heavens through the never ending passage of time.
In other traditions, El(Monotheistic god of the Canaanites), Saturn(Romans), Kumarbi(Hurrians), are associated with this myth.
Saturn takes about 29.5 years orbit the sun, and the effects of it's return generally are felt in a window anywhere between the ages of 27-30.Another return happens typically around the ages of 58 or so.
In our modern culture, the 20's for many aren't a particularly serious time.Alot of us are still busy discovering, experimenting and generally run quite wild.The invincible feeling of youth, hasn't left yet and it can often be easy to avoid responsibility without having to suffer too much.This attitude often stands in sharp contrast to their's in the 30's.Talking to older friends can really help to shed light on this.I believe in more ancient times, the time frame for the first Saturn Return played an even more pivotal role given that life expectancy was much less.
Usually this time one is forced to take a look at the effect of karma in their lives, the fruits of the lessons learned to do with wisdom and maturity.This can be a particularly chaotic time for many, depending on the kinds of personal choices and lifestyle one has led up to that point.Lessons that have been avoided, are learned the hard way if necessary.Time to grow up or face the consequences.
Keep an eye out for depression.Saturn Return is known to be a time full of melancholy for people.Often people can be afraid to let go of the things, the changes around this time are suggesting.This reluctance usually compounds the suffering one experiences.
People tend to take stock of themselves, examining the structures in their lives.Relationships, career choices, friendships, your sanity and life itself are all areas that one may be forced to look at, during this time.As with myths associated with Saturn, daddy issues need to be worked out.Self-limitation, discipline and planning are all ways that can be used to open up new opportunities, as what isn't working is thrown out.As father time highlights one's own mortality, it gives a chance for someone to grab the bull by the horns and really start to make something of their lives.
I often wonder how many members of the 27 Club were grappling with the kind of challenges that the period of Saturn Return signifies?Had they known some info about this phenomena, perhaps it would have enabled them to make different decisions ?
originally posted by: Tiger5
The first Saturn return is the birth of true adulthood where the lesson to be learnt is how to be disciplined and learn to use time efficiently in your daily life. It can be a time of restriction. If these lessons are not learnt thing will reappear at the next one (late 50s to early 60s) but the challenge will be harsher.