Barack Obama: The jobs president that Republicans were looking for?

The given labor stats ignore the number of people of working age who have given up looking for work. That number is around 90 million. Do you really think that all those women who are staying home to look after children are doing so strictly by choice especially with mean household income on the decline and the cost of food and other goods on the incline?

And if everyone who wants to work was making a solid wage or even full-time pay, why is there such a move on for the $15/hour minimum? If we had solid pay or even full-time pay, this movement would be hampered.

So, OK, there are lots of jobs, but the whole McJobs critique leveled at the latter half of the Bush presidency seems to have become a self-fulfilling prophecy for this administration.

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: Abysha

That is exactly what the OP is doing.....making a value judgement using anecdotal evidence. If the article wasn't biased it would have included the information I asked for.

I have learned not chase numbers for emotionally committed folks...It does not further honest discussion...they either cut and run without acknowledging the work invested to enlighten them or they continue to ask for new things when the things they originally demand disprove their "feelings"

There are no numbers that you are asking for that are not easily found.

If you feel there are objective numbers that discredit what you are seeing, please go ahead and provide them with links, as I have done.

a reply to: Indigo5

Really because this July 2014 article from the World Socialist Website www.wsws.org... says differently.

The US economy added 288,000 jobs in June, while the unemployment rate fell to 6.1 percent, according to the latest jobs report issued Thursday by the Labor Department. While the number of new jobs created was higher than in recent months, the new jobs were largely part-time and in low-wage sectors, continuing the trend of replacing better-paid workers laid off during the 2008 crash with lower-paid, more highly exploited employees.

A large share of the growth in employed people was, according to the report, attributable to an increase in workers employed part-time for economic reasons, whose numbers grew by 275,000. These workers, “who were working part time because their hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find a full-time job,” hit 7.5 million. The number of people employed full-time actually dropped.

The Obama administration seized on the jobs report to once again proclaim an economic turnaround. “This is one of the strongest reports we’ve seen since the end of the recession,” said Labor Secretary Thomas E. Perez. “There was good job creation in high-wage, mid-wage and low-wage positions. It was broad-based.”

In reality, jobs growth was again led by low-wage industries. The retail trade sector added 40,000 jobs, while the leisure and hospitality sector, which pays an average of $13.83 per hour, added 39,000. The health care sector added 34,000 jobs. Relatively higher paying sectors lagged behind. The manufacturing sector added only 16,000 jobs, while construction added only 6,000.

As a result, wages have remained stagnant. The average hourly wage for private sector workers increased by just six cents last month, and has increased only 2 percent over the past 12 months, less than the rate of inflation.

originally posted by: ketsuko
The given labor stats ignore the number of people of working age who have given up looking for work. That number is around 90 million.

Incorrect...You are citing the oft cited U-6...those over the Age of 16 not looking or active in the work force.

This is a number that has steadily climbed virtually since it began to be measured.

It has seen increased growth in the past 20-30 years due to the Baby Boomers and longer life-spans.

The U-6 (92 Million to precise) would be much lower if people would just stop living longer...Damn Healthcare and Medicine and such!!

Strange that the GOP bemoans growing retirement communities and people living longer.

Just because the facts and figures are in, doesn't mean I have to believe it.

Just like with global warming, and that whole "pyramids are tombs" thing, I'm a Republican and either ignore reality, or claim its part of the lie-beral conspiracy.

a reply to: Indigo5

Barack Obama: The jobs president that Republicans were looking for?

GHW Bush
Bill BJ Clinton
Dubya Bush
Barack Obama
Four of the worst leaders this nation has ever had.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Dwight David Eisenhower
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Ronald Wilson Reagan
Four of the best leaders this nation has ever had.

Political affiliation has about as much value as a wooden nickle.

...

a reply to: Indigo5

I see, so you can personally vouch for all those people. Not one of them would like to work?

The U.S. unemployment rate can be manipulated because the benefits only last so long and people can drop off of it and no longer be counted if they can't find a job before the benefits run out.

A more accurate way to measure job growth or the lack thereof is by looking at our employment rate.

Article 1
^This is a link to an economic research page by the federal reserve bank of St. Louis. It shows the United States rate of employment crashing in 2008 and not recovering since then.

Article 2
^This is a link to a page on Job Market Monitor - an employment page written by an economist in Quebec. It also shows the rate of employment in the United States crashing in 2008 and not recovering.
You can read more about the economist here:
About JobMarketMonitor

Article 3
^This is a link to an article from the OECD Library (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development) called "Entrepreneurship at a Glance 2013". It lists comparative rates of self-employment between a number of different countries from 2007Q1 to 2012Q4. The second chart on Page 23 "Number of Self-Employment Jobs" shows the rates in the United States. They peak in 2007Q1 and steadily drop from that point.

Barack Obama has not been good for our economy.

originally posted by: Gothmog

President Obama, by contrast, has seen a net change in private sector jobs of 9.3 million, as of the new jobs report out on Friday morning

I hope the public does realize this number includes the amount of jobs that were cut , then reupped as cheaper , lower skilled "new" jobs.Companies have to do this to pay for the new corporate taxes that has came during the Obama administration. Also , some companies that are off-shoring at a feverishly high rate are actually including these numbers in the reports to keep their stock value high. This is happening mainly in the Tech sector. They get a "warm body" to occupy a space for 1/20th the amount the skilled US worker was paid...

I do taxes for a living, please provide a source for the new corporate taxes. Ain't nothing changed for corporations in the last 8 years, outside of the ACA.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

outside of the ACA.

Well , we can start with the one you named.....

I'm not going to lie. I am always on the lookout for new jobs and have a decent one now. In my field I've noticed the job availability has been on a slow increase over the last few years. I'm also seeing some of these science companies getting more competitive in hiring. Some places were getting lab techs for under $15/hr out of college and now I'm seeing wages between $15-20/hr with an increase in available university research positions.

My company has a few job postings up for decent entry level biology lab work and our applicants are horrendous. I usually have to contact my old professors to see if they have any students looking for lab work. Not sure what to say about that.

a reply to: Indigo5

LOL 100 million people of working age not working?? That's almost 1/3 of the population.

The Feds pumping 4.5 trillion dollars in the stock market and keeping interest rates at zero to create inequality?? Now they are even talking about negative interests rate, so much for a good economy.

U definitely need to get a new source other than government propaganda.

a reply to: Abysha

I'm just going to chime in and say Abhsha is correct. Anecdotal evidence does not stand up to real data. The graphs in the O.P. are not anecdotal, they are real data. There is other evidence that has been presented in this thread showing full-time employment has increased.

originally posted by: HighDesertPatriot
a reply to: Indigo5

Oh yeah, I am going to have to call bullsh*t on this. Look around your town and tell me if this is true. Federal reserve as the source? Come on now, don't be naive.

I'm sure these numbers are fudged, just like all of them always are, but, if I'm going to "look around my town", I can tell you they're patently false.

The numbers since Obama took office should be much better. Lots of people in my neighborhood were seeking jobs for a long time, but now, i don't know anyone who is looking - in fact, most have gotten promotions or better jobs. So i guess the picture over the last few years is actually much rosier (based on my small, personal sample size.)

a reply to: Indigo5

Hilarious nice picture. ..Obama and Bush are both terrible...but folks that serve their propaganda are worse

a reply to: dogstar23

LOL really,where's that? DC?

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: BubbaJoe

outside of the ACA.

Well , we can start with the one you named.....

let's start that one, tell me how it has drastically affected your life.

originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: Abysha

I'm just going to chime in and say Abhsha is correct. Anecdotal evidence does not stand up to real data. The graphs in the O.P. are not anecdotal, they are real data. There is other evidence that has been presented in this thread showing full-time employment has increased.

that can not possibly be true since there is a black man in office /sarcasm

a reply to: Indigo5

Explain how a president, any president creates jobs?

The government does nothing but consume, it produces nothing, in fact it is the largest consumer in the world.

The US government rides the coattails of large corporations, and gets it's bulk of money from the sweat equity of the USA population.

So again, how exactly does one man create jobs?

I don't usually go into this much detail about myself, but I don't know about all these rosy employment experiences you all are having. In my area a large number of people were employed by Dime bank. Years ago Dime bank relocated and laid everyone off.

Some of the people laid off by Dime Bank went to work for this debt collection agency that opened up in the same parking lot. They recently relocated and laid off all the people they hired.

The lady who lives next door to me was a higher up at Dime making a six figure salary. Now she is a teller at another local bank making much less.

I work in tech support at a school. I was third consideration for the position but got it because the two people ahead of me didn't like the starting pay. Our department is down two people right now and they can't hire anyone because the school pays peanuts for a position that requires a college degree. When the NY minimum wage is raised to $15 an hour soon, I'm going to get a raise! Not thanks to the district, though.

I work a state job, but techs in my position haven't gotten increased starting pay in at least 30 years - which is how long the oldest guy in my department has worked here. It was a sweet job back then but the minimum wage has finally caught up with it. Back when he started there was more people in the department and only a handful of computers in the district. Now we have fewer people and about 100x more computers - plus about a dozen of our own servers.

You would think I'm in a union and can bargain for better pay. You would be wrong. The district put us in a separate bargaining unit because we are "confidential employees". From what I understand they aren't supposed to be able to do that, but they did anyway. They probably realize that if we went on strike, the school would be #ed in less than a week.

When minimum hits $15 I really don't want to be making the same as a kid flipping burgers at McDonalds, but I doubt the district will want to pay us any more than what they are legally required to. Funny because while I was working on my degree, I was working at McDonalds. The irony. At least I get vacation and sick time at my new job.

It could be worse. Out of college I also applied at that debt collection agency. I'm glad I got this job because if I had worked there I would be unemployed right now.

You might argue I just live in an especially impoverished area in the states. I disagree - from what I have seen this is the new normal.