Unusual cold & snow around the world, global cooling?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Teikiatsu
Ok.
Just so we're clear, those are your claims and don't have much to do with that crap you posted.

My opinions are not the same. Except that improved technology will help a worsening situation. Pretty much the only thing that might.

That 'crap' as you called it are claims that were double checked and made by so-called experts. As the author states at the end of the page:

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Footnote (September 2015) Why the list stopped growing.

The time it takes to process a new entry increases approximately with the square of the list length, after checking for duplications, spoofs etc. Starting it was based on the naïve assumption that the rate of appearances would decline as opposing evidence accumulated, but the reverse happened. That’s the difference between science and religion. It was taking over my life, which I did not want to end as a garbage collector*. There have since been hundreds more claims of an increasingly ludicrous nature.

*i.e. collector of garbage claims.

As for 'worsening situation', that is your claim. It is not fact. Hyperbole and flawed computer models are not reality.

a reply to: Teikiatsu
So, do you think the planet is getting warmer, or not?
Your previous post seemed to imply that you do.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: VoidHawk

This was mentioned a while back, and the pro gw crowd said "Its a part of global warming"

They did? Can you point that out?

The entire earth could be covered in ice and they'd still say "Carbon taxes please"

I'm not paying carbon taxes. No TV tax either.

I recall the 'the cooling is part of global warming' meme, here and elsewhere.
Damned if I am combing through mouth droppings to look for it, but I it is there.
And you know it.

Is this some new tactic?

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a reply to: Robotswilltakeover

Right I am no expert in any subject but here is how I understand it.

The sun is going through a more intense period of activity and this coincides in part with global warming as does man made atmospheric polution and logging, sea polution, coral reef destruction (thank you China for your selfish and un neighbourly actions those reef's are not just important to you but the entire world) and plankton die off as a result of these and other factors such as pesticide and fertilizer run off from the land into the oceans.

During the Mongol expansion the Mongols killed so many people a period of cooling coincided with this period and this period of cooling is shown clearly in tree ring's from that time period, one attributing factor may have been a reduction in cooking fires as a result of this genocide in which millions died.

Warming has an effect on two of the main weather circulatory structures of the planet and that is just two that we know of and there are of course other's.

The Gulf stream or as it is also know the oceanic conveyor, www.iflscience.com...

This is an ocean current that takes cold water down through covection near to the poles and this flows underwater as a current back toward the equator were it rises and is warmed again then flows back toward the polar regions on the surface but it is more complicated than that and is also effected by ocean topography and coastal boundarys so in fact it flows south around the cape of south africa and back north to the equatorial pacific but along it's length it exchanges cold water with warm water near to the equatorial regions thus regulating the temperature of the planet.

www.howitworksdaily.com...

It helps to regulate the temperature of the planet, warm's cold areas and cool's hot one's, delivers moist air over temperate and tropical zones as well as warming the atmosphere near to the poles through this heat exchange mechanism.

It also helps to drive regional weather patterns but it is susceptible to desaliniation of the oceans, less salt in the water means that this convection flow is changed and moves slower so has less effect, colder regions formerly warmed by it get even colder and warmer regions become more desertified as the wind that the temperature gradient help's to drive delivers less moist air inland as it too slow's down or becomes more erratic, this is caused by ICE melting in the permanent glaciers at the poler caps.

It regulates another circulatory system, the Jet Stream, this is an atmospheric current that does much the same thing but with atmospheric gas and it is effected very much by what the Gulf stream is doing.

climate.ncsu.edu...

Both of these change as the climate warms and this leads to regional weather fluctuations, in some regions a warmer planet therefore means' colder weather as the planets temperature circulation slows or fluctuates though Solar wind also has to be factored in as it too has an effect on our weather as though the earths magnetosphere shields us from most of it's particle's solar radiation excites the upper atmospher in ways that climatologists still do not fully understand.

Just a bit of fun trivie, a nice large land mass in the middle of the atlantic during the last ice age would have interfered with the Gulf stream and consequently the northern hemispher of north america and europe would have been significantly cooler, if somehow that land vanished the gulf stream then allowed to move further north would have caused glacial melting by introducing warmer moist air and low altitude above zero rain over these glaciers, just a little fun for any atlantis fans.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Teikiatsu
So, do you think the planet is getting warmer, or not?
Your previous post seemed to imply that you do.

The planet is getting warmer in some places, cooler in others. Satellite data (raw, non-NOAA-'adjusted/'corrected') for the last 18 years says Earth on the whole is currently not warming.

Regardless of whether it is getting warmer or colder, I do not think mankind is a major driver.

This is where you whip out some graph with an uptrending line that uses a specific year with a low temperature global data point to create a beneficial starting point, right?

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Satellite data (raw, non-NOAA-'adjusted/'corrected') for the last 18 years says Earth on the whole is currently not warming.

Satellite temperature data cannot be used without processing. There is no "raw data" of any use. Do you think that they drop thermometers from satellites?

a reply to: Phage

Phage some satellites do use thermal imaging and measure as you well know the temperature varience of the atmosphere and planet surface, they may not be as accurate as a thermometer but they do the job.

IR optical analysis is an ancient field and has been pioneered long ago by both NASA and the Ruskies for there own meteorological analysis.


Not getting any further into your debate I am well past my nap time over here anyway so signing off for now.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Phage some satellites do use thermal imaging

Tropospheric temperature measurements are made by analyzing the emissions of oxygen atoms in the microwave band, not the infrared. Those measurements are converted to temperature profiles. The processing requires considerations of a number of factors, the altitude of the satellite among other things.
www.remss.com...

Down is Up

South-central Finland, latitude 63 degrees north. Total of three nights below freezing this fall so far. There should have been several bouts of daytime frost already. It is raining. I consider it late for a first snow to fall on first week of November.

Unusual lack of cold and snow here in West Siberia.

originally posted by: Pirvonen
South-central Finland, latitude 63 degrees north. Total of three nights below freezing this fall so far. There should have been several bouts of daytime frost already. It is raining. I consider it late for a first snow to fall on first week of November.

Unusual lack of cold and snow here in West Siberia.

Wow. When I lived there 2000-2006 snow tyres were normally on by beginning on October as you were guaranteed snow by mid October. And I only lived about 30km from Helsinki.

a reply to: Pirvonen

Exactly Europe is very warm for November. Still 20°C in South Germany.
The "whole world" is not cooling, it's just changing.

a reply to: Robotswilltakeover

I'm totally out of the loop on the American controversy about global change - I'm in part of the world that just believes weather is going through the changes, part of a cyclical thing earth does at points in time, where atypical weather patterns emerge.

Where I am, it is unusually warmer the last few years. We had less and less snow each winter, and last winter virtually none at all. It's still sunny and hot here right now. Went to a baseball game yesterday in tee shirts, eat outside often. This is very uncommon for us in November.

I hate cold so hope we have another winter like last one, in which there was barely any freezing temps at all.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Satellite data (non NOAA "adjusted") shows the world have warmed 0.39c in the last 36 years and this October was the warmest on record ....

www.newswise.com...

Yep......every winter threads like this pop up.

Are you guys also going to claim NOAA and NASA are in on the AGW hoax, when it is announced that 2015 is the hottest year on record?

a reply to: Robotswilltakeover

Britain saw its warmest November weather on record on Sunday after temperatures hit 22.4C in Wales.
It has been so warm I am yet to switch on my heating!!
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Somehow they "experts" will tell us how this is all because of global warming, just so they can "carbon tax" all the proles.

Nope, the cooling is due to global warming. Cooling temperatures? Global warming. Rising temps? Global warming. Excessive rainfall? Global warming. Lack of rain? Global warming. Rising water levels? You guessed it. Falling water levels? Yep, still global warming. Stock market changing? Global warming. 9/11? Caused by global warming.

a reply to: Robotswilltakeover
For the hundreth milionth time......It's called weather.

Climate change will affect weather patterns around the globe. Some areas will get cooler, some warmer, some wetter, some windier, some drier etc et. Overall the general trend is for more active weather (wetter windier) due to the extra energy in the system due to the extra heat.

Here in the UK, due to our latitude, we should have the same weather as Siberia but we don't. In fact on the West coast of Scotland we have palm trees! That is due to the warm sea currents across the Atlantic. If the climate was to affect the North Atlantic drift the UK could end up considerably colder in a warmer world.

FYI right now 20 years ago I would be scraping the ice off my car instead it's raining exceedingly heavily and freakishly warm.

www.bbc.co.uk...


Nope, the Earth is not getting cooler.

Regrettably parts of America are on average a little cooler, resulting in lots of Americans looking out their windows and going 'Global warming is a myth, it's cold here!' But if you look at the global picture you can see some really quite dramatic trends.