Pedophilia now considered a "sexual orientation".

a reply to: threeeyesopen

That entity said this source:

“APA stands firmly behind efforts to criminally prosecute those who sexually abuse and exploit children and adolescents. We also support continued efforts to develop treatments for those with pedophilic disorder with the goal of preventing future acts of abuse.”

Both of those sound good to me.

a reply to: mOjOm

I have no problem with agreeing to disagree.

My over-reaction, your 'under-reaction'. You seem to rely on the 'emotional' gambit. I'd rebut passion is more admirable than, say, apathy.

But we could go on and on.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
I have no problem with agreeing to disagree.

My over-reaction, your 'under-reaction'. You seem to rely on the 'emotional' gambit. I'd rebut passion is more admirable than, say, apathy.

But we could go on and on.

It's not apathy at all. It's just not something where getting emotional about it makes addressing it easier or better. It's a biological disorder or mental disorder that's all. It's a particularly nasty one at that and should be studied and addressed as such. There is no point in getting angry about it or sad or whatever. It is what it is and it's a serious problem for society that needs to be handled that's all.

This thread is getting out of hand...

Can we all agree on at least TWO points?

I hope so.

#1 - Wanting to have sexual relations with a child is wrong.

#2 - Having sexual relations with a child is beyond EVIL.

originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric
This thread is getting out of hand...

Can we all agree on at least TWO points?

I hope so.

#1 - Wanting to have sexual relations with a child is wrong.

#2 - Having sexual relations with a child is beyond EVIL.

How is it out of hand???

Everyone so far is in total agreement that it's wrong and should never happen. I don't know why that even has to be mentioned. Not one person so far has said anything but that.

We're simply discussing the details surrounding it that's all. Mostly to do with how it effects society, how to deal with it, how to define it, etc.

originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric
This thread is getting out of hand...

Can we all agree on at least TWO points?

I hope so.

#1 - Wanting to have sexual relations with a child is wrong.

#2 - Having sexual relations with a child is beyond EVIL.

It is because the whole subject in the OP is that, by adding a clarifying term, the severity of danger of pedophilia is somehow diminished.

Everybody seems to agree 100% with your two statements. Making a distinction between the state of pedophilia and the act of pedophilia does not make either something to be taken less seriously. The OP is in opposition to that statement which is why it is being argued.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Do you really think someone who thinks like that can be rehabilitated ?

I don't.

a reply to: threeeyesopen

I don't think it's impossible, no. Therefor I support its continued effort.

Regardless, we should prosecute those that act on it. That's criminal. As it should be. APA, myself, and others in this thread, are not in any way suggesting something to the contrary.

originally posted by: threeeyesopen
a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Do you really think someone who thinks like that can be rehabilitated ?

I don't.

Probably not totally. I think at best you could medicate them and stuff to take away their sexual urges or something. But I doubt you can actually fix it completely. It seems to be one of those things that you can manage or possibly remove all together biologically but mentally I think it's still going to be there.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: threeeyesopen
a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Do you really think someone who thinks like that can be rehabilitated ?

I don't.

Probably not totally. I think at best you could medicate them and stuff to take away their sexual urges or something. But I doubt you can actually fix it completely. It seems to be one of those things that you can manage or possibly remove all together biologically but mentally I think it's still going to be there.

Just curious, do you think chemical castration would be an acceptable treatment? I mean, if it is an orientation, there's not really a way to "fix" it. If a pedophile said they were sickened by their own sexual desires, I think the only way I would believe them is if they opted for something like that.

a reply to: Abysha

I believe 1. Sexual orientations are not a choice. 2. It is an orientation.

So I am dubious to the idea clinical psychology can 'fix it'.

Perhaps psychiatric medicine, or later on an injection of nanobots could correct it.

originally posted by: Abysha

Just curious, do you think chemical castration would be an acceptable treatment? I mean, if it is an orientation, there's not really a way to "fix" it. If a pedophile said they were sickened by their own sexual desires, I think the only way I would believe them is if they opted for something like that.

I don't know. I'm not sure what options or treatments actually exist or what their success rate is. But personally I'd say the more options the better. Also depends on how well they manage the urges I guess. I imagine that everyone is different and each case would have to be looked at individually since there isn't a one size fits all treatment.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: Abysha

I believe 1. Sexual orientations are not a choice. 2. It is an orientation.

That's my point. These people are left in the position that, in order to act in a sexually-gratifying way, they have to harm society. It seems to me that the only way to "fix" it would be to take sexuality out of the equation and allow them to opt-in for chemical or surgical castration.

Of course, if they aren't men, I'm not sure what the analog to that would be.

a reply to: Abysha

There is a myriad of ethical implications to the use of chemicals or nanobots or anything else so coercive. I would have to think about it for some good time before i'd feel comfortable taking a strong stance.

That said, my initial reaction is that the safety of children takes precedence over the concerns of these individuals.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: MagesticEsoteric

Well, if it truly is a disorder then I would assume it can be fixed. Although I'm not sure about that. But if it's natural then I would assume there is no fixing it.

Yes it is a disorder. Can it be fixed? Do we risk trying? This isn't someone with a heroine addiction where when they relapse they only harm themselves (typically). And what if they don't want to be fixed? What if they never come forward?

Quite a lot of questions with no definitive answer for a lot of people out there.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Yes it is a disorder. Can it be fixed? Do we risk trying? This isn't someone with a heroine addiction where when they relapse they only harm themselves (typically). And what if they don't want to be fixed? What if they never come forward?

Quite a lot of questions with no definitive answer for a lot of people out there.

I know it's a disorder. What I meant was was it something that can happen naturally or is it something that is caused by abuse or trauma or something. Because if it's caused then I would think there is a chance to reverse it somehow whereas if it's natural you have to deal with it a totally different way.

Those are very good questions. I think you have to be careful also in that you're dealing with a person who's disorder isn't their own fault. Until they act on it they are in fact the only victim. Once they act on it they become an abuser like any other but not all act on the impulse.

From what I understand their are different types of pedophilia that are usually all just termed that word. There is one where it's simply someone under 18 but usually over 13 or 14. This is usually normal but not socially accepted but their attraction is to people who are post pubescent. Then there is 13 and under or pre pubescent that have some association where they actually still see themselves as that age as well. Then there is the worst which is literally attraction to babies and extremely young children. That I have no idea wtf is going on but I would imagine it's some kind of attraction to inflicting harm and having power over something weaker and causing pain to innocents. But who knows.

From my point of view all predatory sexual actions should be handled the same. If you cannot control your urges you loose your freedom/rights to have any sexual urges. There should be no second chances in that lifetime.

If there is any chance of repeat then no release since the rights of a victim trumps any rights off the predator.

Maybe if we did this we might evolve humanity into losing all sexual predatory behavior in a 1000 years, by breeding the insanity out regardless if the problem is biological or cultural or depend on other factors.

A person who have the urges and choose to remove the problem is a hero in my book and should be treated with empathy.

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Honestly I think one of the biggest problems is that it really is institutionalized in our culture somehow. I think we can all agree that there is something to the fact that so many rich elite and powerful people are caught up in it. That not only makes it difficult to remove from society but even makes it more difficult to expose and get to the truth of what is going on.

That and the fact that a lot of the time it simply gets passed from one generation to the next. One abuser breeds another by abusing their kids or kids close to them and so on. Then there is the whole thing about the Catholic Church which is another issue too. It seems to be ingrained in certain aspects of society that hold a lot of power.

Here's A problem I foresee, and I'm surprised I haven't seen anybody else point this out:

Let's say HYPOTHETICALLY, we call pedophilia (non-acting) an orientation:

(These are pointed/extreme examples, to make a point, and NOT intended to offend NON-pedos.)

To avoid discrimination based on orientation, you might HAVE to:
Employ a pedo
Cater a pedo's event
NOT keep a cautious eye on them

A fight in which you throw the first punch (because they said "something" you didn't like) could be a hate crime

And etc...

It's probably best NOT to call it an orientation. (Even if it is)

a reply to: japhrimu

I think the idea is that if they never act on it then there is good reason for society to not hinder their ability to be contributing members of society.