Coward Protesters Hiding Behind Masks.

originally posted by: stolencar18
a reply to: Asktheanimals

And the fact that they're copying the BLM "our streets" rant? It's a bunch of cowards behind masks and scarves who don't have the balls to stand up for anything

Wow, you do realise that BLM copied the occupy movement, who started using that slogan back in 2011?

And I suppose all of us on the site who aren't using real names and our faces are cowards?

originally posted by: stolencar18

originally posted by: chewi
a reply to: stolencar18
I bet your against strikes as well.
Them lazy good for nothing slaves, sorry workers dare not have picket lines. I want them to earn, earn, earn.
There is more to life than REVENUE.
Protesters have probably given you the freedoms you now enjoy.

I'm undecided on strikes. Some I can support, but others, not so much. I often find it ironic that people strike for so long and lose so much on wages, and IF they get a raise or more perks, it works out to a few percentage points increase that takes years to offset what they lost.

Again...mindless protests driven by greed. How is it that so many people can get by just fine but others think they deserve something for nothing? I'm not saying everyone does nothing, so don't go twisting it - I'm saying people protest and think they deserve X amount more but they don't do any more to earn it.

You speak like someone who has no concept of the reality of supporting themselves.

Earlier you made a comment about "while they are wearing $400 worth of clothes" (HINT- NO THEY WERE NOT LOL) and you find irony that people strike for so long and lose wages and sometimes it works and blahblahblahblah....

Are you a company yes-man, an executive, or someone who hasn't yet had to make his/her own way in life?

Doesn't matter.

THE REALITY FOR THE WORKING MAN/WOMAN IS -

Corporate profits increase increase increase
Spending cuts down - including paying a living wage (look it up if you don't know what it is) to their employees, these bastards see PAYROLL as the most controllable expense so when they want to increase profits and can't do it through sales...GUESS WHAT
NO RAISES
NOT TO MENTION, in the US our insurance rates have INCREASED so many working folks insurance premiums went up in order to fund the Affordable Care Act (saw 2 people yesterday who have ACA complaining how it is costing them a couple hundred dollars a month). So, without even a living wage increase, you make LESS at your job than you did the year before, and the cycle goes on.

PEOPLE ARE PISSED, WHO GIVES A FRACK WHAT THEY WEAR, AT LEAST THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING MORE THAN MAKING A THREAD ON ATS.

a reply to: stolencar18

If it were up to me I'd burn every Guy Fawkes mask I saw. 'Guy Fawkes? that's the Guy from V for Vendetta, right?' It's like seeing kids in Ramone T-shirts despite the fact they have never listened to a Ramones song in their life.

I've never been in a protest but I believe showing your face shows the human side, the many varied faces fighting for a cause that they believe in. Wearing a mask gives off mixed signals; 'I am one of you but don't want be seen with you.'

a reply to: raedar

Actually, I'm quite the opposite, and I do quite well for myself. Not wealthy, by any stretch, but comfortable. I've been on my own working to make my own living since well before I turned 18, not that I have anything to prove (or that it would matter to you...).

I'm wondering why you won't be honest though?

Why does it matter what they wear (which yes, is worth several hundred bucks if you look at MANY of them)? Because they're whining about the cost of living and how capitalism beats them down while they live that lifestyle. It's hypocritical and it speaks to their credibility.

Why does it matter when people strike while doing nothing to earn a raise? Because it's a job they signed up to do and when the business makes business decisions (because that's what successful businesses do, whether you like it or not) they whine. Yes..WHINE.

Business isn't about making people feel loved and happy. It's about providing a service or product to make a profit. These "bastards", as you put it, that run the top end businesses of the world have to make decisions like that. Of course payroll and staffing levels is where you make some cuts. When business is slow you don't need as many people. You're one of those people that thinks they're entitled to a job even if there isn't a position aren't you? Let me explain a very simple thing...
When businesses are losing money OR profit levels are falling they have to adjust staffing/capital costs in order to maintain the profit levels or else it isn't a valid business. Why run a business for no profit? Better to just let everyone go. It isn't a businesses job to make sure you can buy Shreddies - it's yours.

So...to echo your sentiment, sort of...
PEOPLE ARE PISSED, WHO GIVES A FRACK ABOUT HONESTY OR INTEGRITY OR WORKING FOR A LIVING BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE ENTITLED TO SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.
That's why this protest is a joke. Nobody wants to make their own way anymore.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: stolencar18

If it were up to me I'd burn every Guy Fawkes mask I saw. 'Guy Fawkes? that's the Guy from V for Vendetta, right?' It's like seeing kids in Ramone T-shirts despite the fact they have never listened to a Ramones song in their life.

I've never been in a protest but I believe showing your face shows the human side, the many varied faces fighting for a cause that they believe in. Wearing a mask gives off mixed signals; 'I am one of you but don't want be seen with you.'

I agree...If you're honest and believe in a cause then stand up for it and show your face - show the world "I'm Johnny and I believe that blahblahblah". If you're too cowardly to put your face behind your beliefs it makes me wonder if your beliefs are really something worth standing for...

originally posted by: Learningman

originally posted by: stolencar18
a reply to: Asktheanimals

And the fact that they're copying the BLM "our streets" rant? It's a bunch of cowards behind masks and scarves who don't have the balls to stand up for anything

Wow, you do realise that BLM copied the occupy movement, who started using that slogan back in 2011?

And I suppose all of us on the site who aren't using real names and our faces are cowards?

Ah yes...Occupy...another bunch of cowards wanting something for nothing.

And the difference between us on ATS and those people? We're not here burning cars or buildings or assaulting people or animals or wreaking havoc on the world. We're engaging in discussion - even if sometimes we all hate each other and disagree sometimes . I disagree with a lot of people on here but I don't think most are the type who would go out and jab a stick in a horses eye or burn a car down - although I suspect there's a few who would jab one in mine, and I know a couple who could use one...Lol. Most people on here show intelligence and can debate a point. Those "brave protesters" are inconsiderate pricks who want something for nothing so they can go back to their real life - mid-to-high end fashion, expensive gadgets, etc.

The only wrong doing I see here is that the protesters didn't go to the homes and executive offices of the oligarchs and their cronnies, and riot there. You want to get it right? Use their tech against them and track their appointments and vacation schedules. Show up there with the torches and pitchforks. Some of the he's egos from the elitist class need reigning in. If humans can't do it, the alternative is far scarier then one can image.

originally posted by: trifecta
The only wrong doing I see here is that the protesters didn't go to the homes and executive offices of the oligarchs and their cronnies, and riot there. You want to get it right? Use their tech against them and track their appointments and vacation schedules. Show up there with the torches and pitchforks. Some of the he's egos from the elitist class need reigning in. If humans can't do it, the alternative is far scarier then one can image.

I wonder if you've ever heard of unintended consequences...

a reply to: stolencar18

My what a strong opinion.

originally posted by: chewi
Protesters have probably given you the freedoms you now enjoy.

Protesting and criminal rioting are two different things. It'd do you well to understand the difference.

Most of today's youths are cowards, Anonymous notwithstanding.

Whatever happened to looking someone in the eye (without a mask) and airing your grievance like a human being and not an autonomous robotic group?

I think people quit having a spine ever since their spines were deformed from staring at smartphones all day and slouching on the couch playing video games with their "friends" online.

a reply to: stolencar18

Mate, I respect you opinion and all but I think that some of the comments you have made in your OP are incorrect.

If you want to protest, protest. There's a million ways to do it legally or even semi-legally.

Mate, this was a legal protest... Permission was granted for the protest march to take place between the hours of 6pm and 9pm and everyone (apart from a small breakaway group) complied.

Look at some of the pictures. Expensive jeans. Great shoes. Higher end designed coats. Top end phones and DSLR cameras waving in the air recording the event.

I was there and I don’t too bad for myself, what’s wrong with that? Cant a man with a nice pair of jeans protest for the rights of the more vulnerable. I don’t know if you’ve been on a protest march but they are usually full of people from all walks of life. Its not like a 'peasants' revolt from the 1700's with pitch forks and turnips, lol.

The people with the DSLR's and the nice AV equipment are journalists, bloggers, etc

I bet most of them don't even really care about the actual cause - they just want mayhem.

Mate, with all due respect, and I say this in the nicest possible way, but that stinks of ignorance. You wont see it in the mainstream media but are you aware of the other 'sister' events that were running alongside the protest march. For example 'op safe winter' which involved the donation of clothing items by some of those attending the march so that they could be distributed to the homeless. As I say, things like that don’t really get shown in the mainstream.

Any mayhem was caused by the very small breakaway group consisting of less than 100, those are ones that have been repeatedly shown on the news. A few hundred also gathered back in Trafalgar Sq after the march to socialise, etc but I think they ended up getting moved off by the police later on.

You know what mate, these aren’t bad people. Yeah, you get a few **nkers, its like that anywhere you go but they do care and they are trying to stand up for what they think is right and despite what the media may have you think, they don’t hate the police. In fact I would put good money that the majority of these peeps will march with the police when their comes... I don’t think its too far away now with all these cuts, lol.

**Edit to add**

I forgot to address the mask issue...

This march was organised and publicised by anonymous; however, thats as far as it goes. The majority of people there are not affiliated with them in any way, they are there to try and make a difference, that’s all.

Again, you don’t see it in the media but the majority of people were not wearing masks. The peeps with the masks and hoods usually tend to gather right at the front. I did try to find some pictures to show this to you; however it was a bloody nightmare as most pictures are taken from the front of the march. It figures, as from a media perspective, that’s where the action is... Who wants to see a pic of some normal unmasked people protesting, right?

Anyway, if you go here and have a browse at the few pics where you can see past the first 3 ranks of protesters, you will see that there are very few people in the background with masks.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk... 5/million-mask-march-london-2015-in-50-pictures_n_8483150.html


Oh, and just to be clear... Im not condoning the harm to the Police horses, those w**kers that did that need a good kicking!

a reply to: stolencar18

You speak as if you know a lot about me, yet you know nothing.

You put words into my mouth.

I have been working since I was 15 and do not expect any handouts, have never relied upon any financial assistance from the government, I’m educated, artistic, have an entrepreneurial spirit, etc.

I still have no idea why you focus on their clothing, but perhaps you can prove what you’re saying with a link or a photo. I still do not care what they are wearing.

I am not anti-capitalist.

I do not look to the business I am in to “feel loved and happy”.

The “bastards” have taken jobs and moved them overseas.
The “bastards” have hired illegal workers and driven down wages.
The “bastards” increase their own bonuses and wages, and told their workers they cannot afford even cost of living raises – year after year after year after year etc.

I believe there is an issue with entitlement, however those are not the majority that are protesting. The entitled ones are sitting on their rears collecting handouts, or in their parents’ house collecting “likes”.

I don’t have a problem with the Guy Fawkes mask, pity about the trademark and the fact that they are made in Mexico, but perhaps worth it for the intimidation factor. Although it is naïve in that it makes it easier for a well-meaning movement to get infiltrated by paid agitators.

The West is broken. People are mad as hell!

a reply to: randyvs

I knew it was only a matter of time before there was a V for Vendetta mention.

That movie and anonymous are the only reason why the Guy Fawkes mask became popular. If there is a protest against human rights nobody wears Vulcan ears because of Spocks dying words, and climate change protesters don't wear Helen Lovejoys masks because she is always thinking of the children.

The Guy Fawkes mask is a hollow sentiment.

a reply to: stolencar18

You are seriously naive, don't you realise that protestors are brave and honestly standing up for things that are being taken away from us?

Despite passing laws stopping us from photoing the police, especially when out of order etc, The police photo everyone taking part in a demonstration and apparently it was revealed on Question Time last night only, that even one of our Baronesses was on one of their undesirable lists because of her outspoken views. The repercussions of this are not as far fetched as you would think. One of my family wouldn't cooperate with the British Government and suddenly everything in his business was audited and, despite his accounts being OK'd suddenly not OK and it caused so much hassle and upset it was unbelievable. So don't think if you don't cooperate with the British Government, which remember is one of the most powerful in the world especially against its own citizens, in today's world you want to do it openly.

If you have a job, especially in London or you are going to be in the job market soon, what if your protesting marked you as an undesirable and it showed up on your police records etc? These records are not necessarily shown to the public and the Baroness had a job to get at hers (even with her title). Would you willingly risk that? There is an irony here in that - is it right in this age where we are supposedly pumping 'democracy' down other country's throats we feel so threatened ourselves we have to mask up?

a reply to: HumanPLC

Great to hear from someone who was there, and great to hear about the positive side aspects of it. I appreciate that.

My concerns are not with the protest itself - I believe people should legally protest. My concerns are with the fact that many of them hide behind a mask -which makes me wonder why they're afraid to put their face beside their belief, and I have a serious problem with the people that take things over the top.

If you want to protest, by all means. I'm even ok with the peaceful type of protests recently held in the US that didn't have permits, etc - they tiptoe around the law but by all measures they didn't hurt much. I have a serious problem when people use protesting as an excuse to damage property or cause injury, and I have another problem when people trounce on the rights of others using protest as a guise and a mask as a disguise. I don't believe in the sincerity of these people.

As far as the clothes, gadgets, etc...I acknowledge that many people from all walks of life have a real reason to protest, but I stand by my point that I think a very large percentage of these people are just tagging along because it feels good to be a part of something, even if they know nothing about it. When people protest capitalism while thriving on it and promoting it with their lifestyle...that's dishonest. When your actions contradict your words it doesn't matter how loud you shout.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Most of today's youths are cowards, Anonymous notwithstanding.

Whatever happened to looking someone in the eye (without a mask) and airing your grievance like a human being and not an autonomous robotic group?

I think people quit having a spine ever since their spines were deformed from staring at smartphones all day and slouching on the couch playing video games with their "friends" online.

What happened to eye to eye? Go look at Syria. There's your eye to eye.

So I guess riot helmets, full body armor, and military equipment is not spineless and anonymous when handling civilians? Did the LEAs all of a sudden start wearing name tags with their addresses on them, and I wasn't informed? Did they trade in their automatic weapons for nerf bats?

Your leaps in logic are astounding. I guess the petrodollar can't afford good sock puppets these days. Times must really be bad....

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: stolencar18

You are seriously naive, don't you realise that protestors are brave and honestly standing up for things that are being taken away from us?

Despite passing laws stopping us from photoing the police, especially when out of order etc, The police photo everyone taking part in a demonstration and apparently it was revealed on Question Time last night only, that even one of our Baronesses was on one of their undesirable lists because of her outspoken views. The repercussions of this are not as far fetched as you would think. One of my family wouldn't cooperate with the British Government and suddenly everything in his business was audited and, despite his accounts being OK'd suddenly not OK and it caused so much hassle and upset it was unbelievable. So don't think if you don't cooperate with the British Government, which remember is one of the most powerful in the world especially against its own citizens, in today's world you want to do it openly.

If you have a job, especially in London or you are going to be in the job market soon, what if your protesting marked you as an undesirable and it showed up on your police records etc? These records are not necessarily shown to the public and the Baroness had a job to get at hers (even with her title). Would you willingly risk that? There is an irony here in that - is it right in this age where we are supposedly pumping 'democracy' down other country's throats we feel so threatened ourselves we have to mask up?

Brave? No. Not in any sense of the word. Absolutely not.

Standing up for things being taken away? Cut the bull. Everyone there - and I'd bet everyone on ATS, everyone who was part of Occupy, etc - is part of the top tier of income earners on this planet. They have no idea what real hardship is, and most of us don't either, myself included. Growing up in poverty in North America or Europe would be considered a real step up to billions of people but these inconsiderate pricks smashing cop cars and hiding behind masks don't even know what they're attacking. What is the plan? Who are they raising awareness to? Are Fortune 500 companies watching the news and suddenly the CEO goes "Holy crap, I need to give these people a raise!". Of course not, because they already pay more than most of what the world gets for employees that whine about not having enough.

This is a farce. The top paid people in the world - and yes that includes those working McJobs - whine about everything they get. "Cost of living" increases...quit whining. Nobody is entitled to those. You aren't entitled to almost anything. Be grateful for what you have and if you want more, go out and earn it. Stop whining that the man is beating you down and it isn't possible to move up. That's crap.

originally posted by: stolencar18

originally posted by: trifecta
The only wrong doing I see here is that the protesters didn't go to the homes and executive offices of the oligarchs and their cronnies, and riot there. You want to get it right? Use their tech against them and track their appointments and vacation schedules. Show up there with the torches and pitchforks. Some of the he's egos from the elitist class need reigning in. If humans can't do it, the alternative is far scarier then one can image.

I wonder if you've ever heard of unintended consequences...

Oh you mean "collateral damage"? Isn't that more fitting? Isn't that how your superiors would spin it?

The etymology for Capitalism, freedom, and democracy have been hijacked. They changed the rules and conveniently forgot to change the nomenclature. Words and what they stand for have been bastardized and butchered.

originally posted by: trifecta

originally posted by: stolencar18

originally posted by: trifecta
The only wrong doing I see here is that the protesters didn't go to the homes and executive offices of the oligarchs and their cronnies, and riot there. You want to get it right? Use their tech against them and track their appointments and vacation schedules. Show up there with the torches and pitchforks. Some of the he's egos from the elitist class need reigning in. If humans can't do it, the alternative is far scarier then one can image.

I wonder if you've ever heard of unintended consequences...

Oh you mean "collateral damage"? Isn't that more fitting? Isn't that how your superiors would spin it?

The etymology for Capitalism, freedom, and democracy have been hijacked. They changed the rules and conveniently forgot to change the nomenclature. Words and what they stand for have been bastardized and butchered.

I know we're on ATS but the fact that you imply that some people in this thread are somehow planted here to plant disinformation is a bit paranoid on your part. The fact that you have the freedom to post on ATS using a computer or device built by capitalists bastards really goes to prove your point that the sky is falling.