Bernie Sanders files marijuana bill in Senate

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Freth

Your response to this is a propaganda piece for Newsweek talking about an issue that Nebraska and Oklahoma created by themselves and has literally ZERO connection to marijuana actually being dangerous? Also this:

Ok, if Newsweek isn't a good source, how about the White House government website? Is that official enough for you?

www.whitehouse.gov...

People are going to have varying opinions. For every website that has positives there's a website that has negatives. It doesn't change how I feel about its negative effects on people, which lead to negative effects on society and affect me personally. If just one person sits on their butt and doesn't pull their weight when they could be, because of marijuana, that's enough for me to say no, because I refuse to support laziness and non-contributing members of society any more than I have to.

a reply to: Freth

Did you read that link? It really doesn't say anything. At all. Like legalization will lead to increased usage? Really? No #! Why is that a danger exactly though? It also talks about marijuana addiction like it is a troubling aspect of using the plant. Heck, it flat out lies about marijuana being a "major cause for emergency visits".

When was that #ty document written? All that information is just fear propaganda to keep people scared of Marijuana. This is the funniest part of the whole document:

It is for these reasons the Administration continues to oppose legalization, and instead focuses on drug prevention, treatment, support for recovery, and innovative criminal justice strategies to break the cycle of drug use and crime. This approach is helping improve public health and safety in communities across the United States.

These points were incredibly weak. I mean legalizing won't get rid of the black market? So? It'll DEFINITELY put a dent in it and I'd guarantee that many users would LOVE to buy marijuana legally if given the chance.

You need a better source still. The White House is apparently still toeing the DEA's anti-pot propaganda line.

a reply to: Freth

That's an opinion piece (no resources to prove what she says) written by "ReaganGirl"...

Conservative Patriot activist, prepper, agitator and conscience of the local GOP... my alter-ego is that of a fire-breathing Capitalist chicken named the Little Red Hen. And yes, I'm a MORMON.

Source

Being an Ohioan, I'm sure I'll get a chance to vote on it again next year. If something comes up that changes my mind, maybe I'll consider voting yes. Right now I'm a solid no.

a reply to: Freth
If you were to do some research you would find out there are several lies being told in this article. This is one of the statements I thought was the funniest.

Some farmers have expressed alarm over the potential of marijuana growing operations in close proximity to established crops. Plans for a medical marijuana facility in Palisade, a tiny farming town whose main crop is peaches, have peach growers worried about the potential spread of pests, molds and fungi from cannabis to their established orchards.

Where the pot is being grown is far more sterile than a dirty peach orchard.

The agricultural implications of the cannabis industry, it seems, were not a consideration at the time it became a legal crop.

The agricultural implications of the cannabis industry has been known since before WW1 when it was a major cash crop here in the states.
This article is nothing more than one woman's opinion.

originally posted by: Freth
People are going to have varying opinions. For every website that has positives there's a website that has negatives. It doesn't change how I feel about its negative effects on people, which lead to negative effects on society and affect me personally. If just one person sits on their butt and doesn't pull their weight when they could be, because of marijuana, that's enough for me to say no, because I refuse to support laziness and non-contributing members of society any more than I have to.

You also appear to not support scientific data that says that your opinion is wrong. I guess if the evidence doesn't agree with you, you gotta pretend it doesn't exist right?

Ugh... It's so annoying that I can't use personal experience and anecdotes on this website about this plant to tell you how wrong you are...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
You also appear to not support scientific data that says that your opinion is wrong. I guess if the evidence doesn't agree with you, you gotta pretend it doesn't exist right?

Ugh... It's so annoying that I can't use personal experience and anecdotes to tell you how wrong you are on this website...

You can't dismiss the negatives while espousing the positives. The main negatives that concern me are addiction and non-contributors to society. Not everyone will become addicted. Not everyone will be non-contributors. It will still add to the burden we already have with assistance to people who can pull their own weight, but choose not to (or can't because of addiction). Is it worth it to me to vote yes and pull money out of my pocket (to pay for added non-contributors), just so joe average can legally use marijuana recreationally? No.

a reply to: Freth

And data and studies have shown that marijuana is barely addictive.

It's funny you are accusing me of only looking at the positives while dismissing the negatives, when you refuse to even consider the positives and are VASTLY over-inflating the negatives.

Like I just went through both of your sources and explained how they are dishonest propaganda (yes even the white house one). I didn't just look at the source and write them off. I actually read them and gave you some points on why they were dishonest, yet you STILL refuse to even consider that your position may be flawed.

Answer these questions: How many people have died from a marijuana overdose? How many have died from alcohol poisoning this year?

More to consider, I've seen you admit that marijuana has medical applications, so where do you get the reasoning that recreational use will suddenly be bad for you?

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Butterfinger

I'm trolling for bringing up a valid point?

This site gets dumber by the month.

No I found it ironic that you said we need to look at it "rationally".

Just a lot of generalizations, and assumptions that havnt been measurable in other legal states.

Yes it makes you tired, and anyone can abuse it. Should we trust the public with what to do with their own bodies?

I see both sides, but I'd rather have the freedom to do something that has more pros than cons, especially compared to pills and alcohol.

New highly addictive meds with horrific side effects(chance of anal bleeding for a better nights sleep?) make it to the market before less testing has been done than MJ.

My only issue being, why hasn't the U.S. banned tobacco? BECAUSE OF MONEY. GOD DAMN.

REGULATE MARIJUANA. BAN THE GODDAMN TOBACCO. U.S.A.

originally posted by: Freth

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Aazadan
Partially, but at the same time there was an anti monopoly bill on the ballot (which passed, although barely), which would have struck down that part of the marijuana law.

Really? I didn't know that... Just to be clear, are you saying that if both had passed, the monopoly wouldn't have had control of the state's marijuana? I wonder how many residents knew this...

They were saying on AM news radio that whichever issue had the most votes would cancel out the other, if they both passed. So if the anti-monopoly issue had less votes and the pro-marijuana monopoly issue had more, the anti-monopoly issue would be overridden by the pro-marijuana monopoly issue and vice versa.

I voted yes for anti-monopoly and no for pro-marijuana monopoly. When next year comes, I'll probably vote no for pro-marijuana.

My thinking on it... I've never smoked marijuana. I don't plan to smoke marijuana. I've been around it a few times, but never felt the effects of it. I will vote against any issue to legalize marijuana (in general) because I feel it will have a negative effect on society that will far outweigh anything positive. We already have alcohol, tobacco and caffeine, we don't need to add more to the pile.

As for the positive benefits of marijuana... I'm all for controlled medical uses, like prescription based distribution. It's the recreational aspect I don't agree with.

And it was selfish people who voted like you, that made Issue 2 law.

Now, the next time it tries to come up for vote, it will have to go through a political committee. Pretty much gauranteeing that it will never make it on the ballot again.

Thanks. You probably should have read Issue 2 before you voted on it.

I voted yes on 3 and NO on 2.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Freth

Except in EVERY state and country that has legalized marijuana, literally NONE of what you just said there has happened. NONE of it. To pretend like it will is just dishonest.

You are 100% correct!

The brainwashing these people have against it is disturbing. Especially having ZERO experiance with it, and NOTHING to base an opinion on.

SMH.

Just like a politician!

It'll probably be stalled in a subcommittee like all the others. Not to be a negative Nancy or anything, but I've given up on the United States on being the first country to legalize marijuana. Politicians in this country are cowards and sheep.

I do like old Bernie though. I'd love for him to win, but I just don't see it happening. This country still has a 1950's attitude about socialism. It's sad.

I guess it's pretty clear who the socialists believe some of their biggest supporters are.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
I guess it's pretty clear who the socialists believe some of their biggest supporters are.

So legalizing marijuana is a Socialist idea then?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
I guess it's pretty clear who the socialists believe some of their biggest supporters are.

So legalizing marijuana is a Socialist idea then?

Oh please. Everyone knows it's always been the hippies and the potheads pushing socialism. It's like giving out free Bibles at a Republican convention. Or giving out free citizenship at a liberal convention. It's just base pandering.

The socialists know the potheads are their bread and butter. Always have been. The only thing I have against pot is it makes people stupid. If we ever needed fewer stupid people it's now.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Um... More than just hippies and potheads support legalizing marijuana.

Majority Now Supports Legalizing Marijuana

The survey by the Pew Research Center, conducted March 13-17 among 1,501 adults, finds that young people are the most supportive of marijuana legalization. Fully 65% of Millennials –born since 1980 and now between 18 and 32 – favor legalizing the use of marijuana, up from just 36% in 2008. Yet there also has been a striking change in long-term attitudes among older generations, particularly Baby Boomers. Half (50%) of Boomers now favor legalizing marijuana, among the highest percentages ever. In 1978, 47% of Boomers favored legalizing marijuana, but support plummeted during the 1980s, reaching a low of 17% in 1990. Since 1994, however, the percentage of Boomers favoring marijuana legalization has doubled, from 24% to 50%. Generation X, born between 1965 and 1980, came of age in the 1990s when there was widespread opposition to legalizing marijuana. Support for marijuana legalization among Gen X also has risen dramatically – from just 28% in 1994 to 42% a decade later and 54% currently.

The only generation being sticks in the mud still are the silent generation, but even they are starting to come around.

The Silent Generation continues to be less supportive of marijuana legalization than younger age cohorts. But the percentage of Silents who favor legalization has nearly doubled –from 17% to 32% – since 2002.

Oh and before you try a partisan slant. Here's this:
63% of Republican Millennials favor marijuana legalization

Six-in-ten (63%) GOP Millennials say the use of marijuana should be made legal, while 35% say it should be illegal, according to our February 2014 survey. That level of support is higher than among Republican Generation Xers (47%) and Baby Boomers (38%), and much higher than among GOP members of the Silent generation (17%). (When we asked the question again in October, overall opinion was only slightly changed.)

Times are changing. Supporting marijuana legalization isn't a fringe movement anymore. It's mainstream. Just because you cannot accept that reality doesn't make it not true.

It's just funny how a lot of people always seem to line up the whole cannabis things as either non-smoking or smoking a lot....

Just like alcohol, this substance has a very nuanced crowd of users and abuses.

Heck, I like to smoke once or twice a year, but I would never start doing it twice a week, once a week or even twice a month if it became legal.

That's where the responsibility of the individual comes into play, and if you don't posses responsibility before legalization of cannabis, you didn't posses it before. It's nok like the substance takes anything away from you... it's all you...

The good thing would be, that we would have a more correct image of use and abuse. Heck, I'd be ok with having to register to buy in a shop, if it meant that some form of government could monitor people's usage on a precise level. I honestly believe that we need a similar system in regards to purchasing alcohol, as alcohol has way more consequences on society than cannabis has.

The numbers change as the paradigm has changed.

And the polls show it.

People of all demographics are speaking out now that the stigma of conversation has largly been removed.