Death of Fox Lake officer a 'carefully staged suicide'

a reply to: deadeyedick

That's why I said what I said early in the thread. It is 100% plausible, to me, for him to shoot himself in the vest and then give himself a non-survivable wound elsewhere.

I stated in the other thread that his description of the subjects, viewed from the angle of a suicide setup, fits. He gave a very vague, brief, and nonspecific description of three subjects. That way responding units would be looking for somebody, but they would also be looking for damn near anybody. If he had said "chasing a male black short hair neck tattoos" that would be too specific and very quickly eliminate a lot of possible suspects. "Chasing a white male with long hair" is pretty wide open, to me.

There's more to this story than we'll ever know. But at this point, most people are growing fatigued from hearing about it, and the winter holidays are almost upon us. Time to move on...

a reply to: Shamrock6

If the allegations are true do you believe that he acted alone in the criminal events that led to the situation that seemed to force him to want to die if that was the case.

I find it hard also beside shooting oneself twice that for 7 yrs he could alone cash in without anyone else noticing.

The story you tell of the people able to shoot themselves and not be stunted reminds me of those guys that used to go around breaking handcuffs in bars to promote the power of christ. Possible but very far from the norm and likely their is a huge learning curve.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I doubt it very much that is was suicide, shooting ones self in the torso is not as easy as you might think. Was there GSR on the hands??? If so, how many rounds had been discharged, I doubt he took time to wash his hands and reload after shooting himself.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Dude. It's not "a story I tell." You can literally, quite literally, go find dozens and dozens of videos of people being shot in body armor and popping right back up and staying in the fight. It is completely, utterly, and entirely possible and plausible.

As for acting alone, who knows? I haven't seen anything so far that makes me think he didn't act alone. But I haven't seen anything that rules out other people being involved, either.

I know, My girlfriends brother works at a dealer ship in Fox Lake and hes an IT guy there. He sat with Homeland Security for "hours" going over surveillance footage. I would like to think that the wool is being pulled over our eyes, but we all know how corrupt law enforcement can be. Enjoy your day folks

a reply to: Shamrock6

Ok we can disagree that a person not in a gunfight can shoot themselves in the chest then turn right around and shoot themselves again with a high power weapon. I do agree that adrenaline fueled people can do great things. Highly unlikely that a person could shoot themselves twice.

There were indications at the crime scene that a struggle occurred, but test results were inconclusive in determining whether Gliniewicz fired his service weapon, Filenko said.

Tribune

Well I call bs on the official story.

The worst kind of dirty cop......the one that hides behind a badge of accolades & sucks the entire community into his lie.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

why do you think most criminals do what they do?
or right to take care of their families and better their lives

some of the worst monsters the world has ever seen were just doing it for their kids
i dont see how this could possibly make you think he was incapable of stealing money (in fact in my opinion it seems far more likely)

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Shamrock6

Highly unlikely that a person could shoot themselves twice.

It happens. See also: Jeremy Boorda.

eta: I suppose now the local LEOs can stop kvetching about people saying it was a suicide. I'm not sure why that was such a sore issue with them. Him being a criminal (possibly) would seem to be a worse stain than him killing himself.

I think this cop is guilty. At this point it's pretty hard to cover anything up due to how many layers of law enforcement as well as independent investigators are involved. They have text messages, paperwork, threats, and all sorts of evidence from this guy. He did it and he did it to protect his family from himself. There was probably money involved for the family too. What's really disturbing is that he attempted to frame 3 men who had nothing to do with the shooting, but thankfully for them they did have a rock solid alibi that was confirmed by police. I think receipts and video evidence. Apparently the cop stole money from the community program he was working in and all the while the media had spread this GI Joe narrative. I got buddies out there telling me people were driving around with GI Joe bumper stickers. The media really screwed this one up. Told the story of a community hero who in reality was a piece of garbage. The people who knew what he was up to must have been disgusted by the media's portrayal.

So, he called in 3 suspects and is found dead by his car, with 1 in the vest and 1 in the chest.

Suicide.

Is anyone really buying that? Like the guy a couple years back who committed 'suicide' by shooting himself 8 times in the head and chest with a nail gun. Okay, sure.

As the police seem to be dismissing the scenario, I imply that he pissed off some other cops. I think this was a planned hit.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

It's looking very bad for late officer Gliniewicz:

Lake County Major Crimes Task Force Commander George Filenko revealed Wednesday that Lt. Joseph Gliniewicz had been stealing and laundering money from the Fox Lake Police Explorer Post over the past seven years, using thousands of dollars for personal purchases, mortgages, travel expenses, gym memberships, adult websites and to facilitate person loans. He also said Gliniewicz forged signatures in official documents.

And the messages recovered give this credence:

JG: “You are borrowing from that ‘other’ account, when you get back youll have to start dumping money into that account or you will be visiting me in JAIL!! The 1600 and the 77 all came from there…”

...

JG: “So if called on the carpet I can say, “we give our explorers and advisors loans from time to time if it is needed, and this is proof it is being paid back” you get whwre I’m coming from? This village administrator hates me and the explorer program. This situation right here would give her the means to CRUCIFY ME it it were discovered.

So he knew he was doing wrong and covering it up. This is sickening especially when considering everything that happened as a result of attempting to find his 'assailants.'

Messages Recovered From Fox Lake Lieutenant's Phone Shed Light on 'Extensive Criminal Activity'

We have, what was to all outward appearances, a "hero cop" and it turns out he was as corrupt as Nixon.

Sad day in America in a long line of sad days...

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Still that does not much to prove suicide.

I personally feel that if a person pulls a trigger of a gun twice then residue can be found on the hand that will clearly prove the trigger was pulled.

The problem is that it just appears to be too convenient for them now to pinn much on a dead man.

As if in planning his death did he really believe that all this info would not come too light.

I think serious consideration should be givin to those above and around him.

Wasn't the entire police forum closed down for a day or so for this guy? Unbelievable.....

originally posted by: Shamrock6

Is it out of the realm of possibility that he was offed to shut him up? No, not at all. But I'm not so quick to dismiss it being a staged suicide, especially if he himself was taking money that wasn't his.

Makes you wonder though what warning signs there were, (if any) that his activities would be discovered for him to go the the way he did, seven years is a long time.

Maybe the story is legit and the 3 perps he was chasing happened to be the same people wrapped up in it but deeper?

Would explain the initial call, he was legitimately chasing suspects just didn't know he shouldn't have been.

Would explain no struggle, cop recognizes his partners in crime but doesn't see what's coming next.

Could explain 2 shots, shooter not knowing officer had a vest.


The whole story in general has this glaze of bull# flavored icing, I wouldn't be surprised if the story changes a bit once or twice more.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Incident

Prior to the shooting, Gliniewicz had radioed dispatchers, claiming that he was in pursuit of several suspects. Gliniewicz's death was initially assumed to be a murder committed by the suspects he mentioned, which spurred a massive manhunt with more than 400 law enforcement officers on foot, all-terrain vehicles, and horseback raking through the heavy woods near Fox Lake.

From wiki.
en.wikipedia.org...

So he radioed dispatch then shoots himself twice with his own firearm in a staged suicide?

Am i missing something in this story? i haven't really been following it.

a reply to: EA006

That's it in a nutshell.

Add a Breaking Bad twist that has been the cherry atop a very nasty cake when you consider the former chief was run out of town on rails for conspiracy and corruption.