CDC Scientist Admits Data of Vaccines and Autism Was Trashed - HUGE

a reply to: MRuss
This recent push to force all types of mystery solutions into our bodies on the pretense that it is best for us and the entire community is fairly recent. We didn't get all those shots when I was a child and we turned out darn well considering the only antibacterials we had back then was soap and water, and it was well water and spring water.

Of course we only had one common antibiotic at that time. If we got an infection our own bodies couldn't handle. Penicillin worked just fine, and few people were allergic to it back then.

It seems the more drugs they came up with, the sicker we got. Before someone comes along with the scythe, sure people are living longer now, but at what cost, and what kind of life? I work in our Geriatric communities. Most will tell you they are existing, not living.

I encourage people not to take any medicines they don't have to take. My elderly mother got pissed with me over a year ago because I was pushing all those darn pills the doctors convinced us she needed after a hospitalization. One day she told me she had had enough, and she wasn't going to take anymore pills. After explaining to me it was a choice she had made. She said she is an adult of sound mind, and she wasn't going to take any more pills. I backed down and let her make her own choices. That first month was a bit shaky because she had frequent bouts of nausea and some bowel upsets. I wasn't surprised, she had been taking a boat load of pills, and she stopped them all, cold turkey.

Amazingly after she got by those first 4 to 6 weeks she was a new person. To be honest she seems younger. Her doctor was against it, and kept monitoring her blood work every month, but now he is ecstatic. He is so pleased that he now only checks her blood work every 3 months and calls her his miracle patient.

Some medicine is much needed by many people. Medicines save people's lives everyday, and allow people to lead functional and productive lives. Unfortunately, too many doctors think the solution to all health issues comes in a pill or injection. These doctors are medicine doctors, not necessarily healthcare doctors, and too many are just minions to the big pharma.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

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That was interesting.

Even more interesting - Thread dated Thu Jun 4, 2015 10:06am EDT. With 6 replies.

Very interesting.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Isn't this old news dating from 2014?

Further, this is anything but uncontested: Forbes Magazine Aug 6, 2015

Now becoming widely known as the “garbage can quote,” the scenario it describes appears intended to conjure a group of people closeted in a windowless room stopping just short of building a trash fire to destroy evidence. The alleged “hard copies” in this case are related to a study published in 2004 showing no link between autism and the MMR vaccine in a population of Atlanta schoolchildren.

The person to whom the quote is attributed, William W. Thompson, is one of the authors on that study. Thompson has since said that the study showed an increased risk for autism among African-American boys who received the MMR but that the study authors decided not to publish that information.

Recent analyses of the data—which seem to have survived the garbage can—do not suggest this conclusion. As Jim Frost, the statistician who evaluated the 2004 paper and reanalyzed the data in the above links, noted:

The criticism that the study discarded data from African American subjects just doesn’t hold water. No data was discarded. For the subjects who were linked to birth certificates, the researchers performed additional analyses. In this light, I see a careful observational study that assessed the role of potential confounders.

Even if these guys did "burn data" back in 2002(!) this is a few cases in one sample from one study.

There are hundreds of other studies.

Worst case scenario, this is bad science on one study (it isn't, but, let's go with that) ... but it certainly DOES NOT PROVE that all the anti-vax accusations, conspriacy theories, wild exaggerations of data are verified by this one incident.

It's stunning that any one would make that claim.

Personally I find it stunning that people don't assume where there is one, there could be more, especially of pharma companies already caught (and sued by the US government) for multiple other infringements.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I have no idea how you have concluded that. I am saying: The dosage makes the poison.

So I ask again: At what dose is aluminium a neurotoxin?

People don't just get exposed to aluminum through vaccines.

You can be exposed to aluminum from all kinds of things. Antacids, for one, and if you've ever been pregnant, you understand the heartburn. I was told to stick to Tums or Zantac, but perhaps socioeconomic and education barriers leave some women without a clear understanding on why those are the recommended antacids.

Aluminum can be ingested and absorbed through antiperspirants, cookware, breath mints, etc...


EDIT: So to answer your question again, I don't know what level is safe for ALL people. What's safe for one person may not be safe for another.

People always say this but there is a HUGE difference between eating aluminum or absorbing it through the skin (which itself is a detoxifying organ) and INJECTING it directly into you, bypassing all of the body's filters. Again, HUGE difference between all your examples and direct injection.

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Oh, another round of "vaccines are from the DEVIL!"?

Polio was the devil.

Don't believe everything the internet tells you. Those people are not the wardens of knowledge. Everyone here has his/her own agenda.

Mine would be to deny ignorance about science.

Yes, like the recent news item saw about the World Health Organization commenting that a boy in a third world country who died of polio, and then going on to comment that the polio vaccine can and does spread its own virulent form of polio through feces. Essentially a child in Laos dies, and they blame it on low vaccination rates, even though polio had been erradicated in 1993 in Laos, only reemerging after they pushed more vaccinations, which they themselves know and say can spread polio in unsanitary enviornments. To ignore THIS is the opposite of science. READ HERE

a reply to: thebtheb

Of course there is.

What's your point? That aluminum doesn't accumulate unless it's injected? That's not true.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: MRuss
This recent push to force all types of mystery solutions into our bodies on the pretense that it is best for us and the entire community is fairly recent. We didn't get all those shots when I was a child and we turned out darn well considering the only antibacterials we had back then was soap and water, and it was well water and spring water.

I don't know when or where you were a child, but childhood mortality in the US has been declining for at least the last century. So no matter how well your generation turned out, later generations have turned out even better (Achievements in Public Health, 1900-1999). The ones that come after us will be even better yet.

Of course we only had one common antibiotic at that time. If we got an infection our own bodies couldn't handle. Penicillin worked just fine, and few people were allergic to it back then.

Even assuming penicillin worked against every bacteria out there, it does not work for viruses (or prions or, I assume, fungi). So no, penicillin was not the panacea you think it was.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
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I think the point is that protocol was not followed because the conclusions were controversial. This is one example that we know about. Are there others we don't know about?

There are/have been quite a few more.

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Thu Jun 4, 2015 10:06am EDT

By Brendan Pierson

Two former Merck & Co Inc scientists accusing the drugmaker of falsifying tests of its exclusive mumps vaccine said in a court filing on Monday that Merck is refusing to respond to questions about the efficacy of the vaccine.

Attorneys at Constantine Cannon, who represent the scientists, asked U.S. Magistrate Judge Lynne Sitarski of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania to compel Merck to respond to their discovery request, which asks the company to give the efficacy of the vaccine as a percentage.
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And...

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Central Figure in CDC Vaccine Cover-Up Absconds With $2M
Posted: 05/11/2010 5:12 am EDT

A central figure behind the Center for Disease Control's (CDC) claims disputing the link between vaccines and autism and other neurological disorders has disappeared after officials discovered massive fraud involving the theft of millions in taxpayer dollars. Danish police are investigating Dr. Poul Thorsen, who has vanished along with almost $2 million that he had supposedly spent on research.

Thorsen was a leading member of a Danish research group that wrote several key studies supporting CDC's claims that the MMR vaccine and mercury-laden vaccines were safe for children. Thorsen's 2003 Danish study reported a 20-fold increase in autism in Denmark after that country banned mercury based preservatives in its vaccines. His study concluded that mercury could therefore not be the culprit behind the autism epidemic.

His study has long been criticized as fraudulent since it failed to disclose that the increase was an artifact of new mandates requiring, for the first time, that autism cases be reported on the national registry. This new law and the opening of a clinic dedicated to autism treatment in Copenhagen accounted for the sudden rise in reported cases rather than, as Thorsen seemed to suggest, the removal of mercury from vaccines. Despite this obvious chicanery, CDC has long touted the study as the principal proof that mercury-laced vaccines are safe for infants and young children. Mainstream media, particularly the New York Times, has relied on this study as the basis for its public assurances that it is safe to inject young children with mercury -- a potent neurotoxin -- at concentrations hundreds of times over the U.S. safety limits.
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Among many others.

Not to mention Merck was sued by the United States government for falsifying data on the since removed Vioxx that caused strokes and heart attacks in people. But one thing I have learned: none of these examples will make a difference to anyone who just doesn't want to give up their vaccines. Maybe they've been using them too long, and giving them to all their children for so long that they just don't want to turn back.

a reply to: FurvusRexCaeli
I don't know how your post came out of anything I wrote.

I think maybe you should re-read my post.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I think s/he is assuming you are over 115 years old. I think you 'read' much younger. I'm not just trying to flatter you either.

even if the vaccines are causing some rate of autism they have prevented far far far far far more damage by preventing infectious disease
and it seems to me absolutely retarded to remove that benefit on that tiny chance that someone is going to get autism from it

because without them a lot of you with kids would have lost them already

a reply to: MotherMayEye

You cannot compare water to aluminum.

I see the concept of dosage still evades you.

Science doesn't even claim to have all the answers with regard to the toxic effects of aluminum

But you said "But no one can deny that aluminum is a neurotoxin -- science agrees with that". Now you're saying that not only do you not know the dose at which it is a neurotoxin, but apparently "Science doesn't even claim to have all the answers with regard to the toxic effects of aluminum"?

You're basically full of it. You can't even make your scaremongering internally consistent. But hey, you're not anti-vax, you're just repeating the same anti-vax lies and spreading misinformation about vaccines. Totally not anti-vac.

It's ok to admit you were wrong, you know? That would be the intellectually honest thing to do. Not keep repeating a factual inaccuracy to scaremonger even after it's been pointed out to you.

a reply to: MotherMayEye
Thank you for your thread, but I am afraid I have to leave now. It happens often; when people have an agenda or feel overly passionate about a subject, their ability to read, think and reason becomes impaired and the thread suffers.

See you around the boards.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Thank you for your thread, but I am afraid I have to leave now. It happens often; when people have an agenda or feel overly passionate about a subject, their ability to read, think and reason becomes impaired and the thread suffers.

See you around the boards.

Thanks, but it's not my thread. And I hear what you are saying. Apparently it's unreasonable to be aghast at the idea of the CDC destroying data.

It would be great, also, if the commenters here who believe that aluminum is completely safe would consume a bucket full! Or maybe they already have...that would explain their comments that make no sense, whatsoever.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Nobody said consuming a bucket full of aluminum wouldn't be harmful. Were you to consume a bucket full of say, sugar or salt, it would be lethal. You can live a long and healthy life consuming a small amount of each every day though.

I'm with you on the CDC covering evidence though. I always thought the answer to ignorance and lies was facts and truth. It's disturbing to me that people think otherwise when it comes to government.

originally posted by: VP740
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Nobody said consuming a bucket full of aluminum wouldn't be harmful. Were you to consume a bucket full of say, sugar or salt, it would be lethal. You can live a long and healthy life consuming a small amount of each every day though.

I'm with you on the CDC covering evidence though. I always thought the answer to ignorance and lies was facts and truth. It's disturbing to me that people think otherwise when it comes to government.

If my comments are going to be distorted and conflated into something they aren't, then I reserve the right to do the same. There's no middle ground in the vaccine debate -- you either have to be a rabid a-hole pro-vaxxer or a batsh*t crazy anti-vaxxer. Question nothing or question everything. If you don't fit one of the extremes, people like GetHyped will declare your position for you.

Bleh. No thanks.

Oh hell, not another vaccines = evil thread? Seriously? Is that all that this site has plummeted to? Yet another rehash of the mindless wailing about vaccines again?
A few facts. Wakefields original study was debunked so thoroughly and comprehensively that the man's now a medical laughing stock. Sadly his study gained some credence due to some very shoddy journalism.
In the meantime it's worth pointing out that the reason why the number of autistic people are growing is because we now have better parameters for what constitutes an autistic person, as well as a wide range of symptoms. Twenty years ago some people would not have been diagnosed with what we now know to be a high-functioning form of it. Translation: we know more about the condition.
And before I smash my keyboard in anger, let me point something out to you. When was the last time that anyone on this site was ill with smallpox or polio? Answers on a postcard please. Anyone? Anyone recently, in the last 30-40 years?

Vaccine hysteria, ladies and gentlemen. The last bastion of scientific misunderstanding, delusion and 'look at me, I know anti-vaccine stuff' moronic behaviour.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

When you eat aluminum in your food or drink it in liquids, very little goes from your stomach into your bloodstream. Most aluminum leaves your body quickly in the feces. The small amount of aluminum that does enter the bloodstream leaves in the urine. You breathe in very little aluminum from the air, and very little can enter your body through the skin.
www.eoearth.org...

There is a problem if you have kidney disease as this means the kidneys are not filtering your blood properly and you may store aluminum in your blood.

With children is the same: if they have kidney disease they can end up with brain and bone disease due to high levels of aluminum: www.atsdr.cdc.gov...

Hope this helps.

After western vaccines in South Korea autism + 3000%, and the country of morning freshness of the DPRK (on the western qualification commie dictatorship and concentration camps, etc.) 0% increase the autism

a reply to: mangust69

1) because of standardised testing and increased awareness of autism.

2) because north Korea are totally a legitimate source.

But let's not let the facts get in the way of a good scaremongering.