Largest Ozone Hole Ever size of Russia and Canada Now.

www.wmo.int...

So i just saw this watered down version its a lot more serious than this folks. This is our atmosphere that's disappearing Folks ....

What if it covered Canada & Russia? populated area's. What would be done??

A snippet for reference-

On 2 October the ozone hole reached its maximum extent this year with an area of 28.2 million km2. This is the largest ozone hole area ever measured.
U.N. climate agency says "Don't panic!" as ozone hole gets wider

www.reuters.com...

a reply to: GnosticMountain

"This shows us that the ozone hole problem is still with us and we need to remain vigilant. But there is no reason for undue alarm,” said Geir Braathen, a senior scientist in WMO’s Atmospheric and Environment Research Division.

Image taken from WMO Antarctic Ozone Bulletin


The stratospheric ozone layer, which is found at about 25 kilometers altitude, protects us from the harmful rays of the sun. Ozone depletion – which occurs annually during the southern hemisphere spring - is caused by extreme cold temperatures in the stratosphere and the presence of ozone-eating gases in the atmosphere such as chlorine and bromine.

From WMO News link

They've taken data from 20+ Antarctic weather stations to arrive at these conclusions. The scheme to restore the ozone layer is still on track says the report and that's good news. They mention that, despite its current size, it's been stable due to atmospheric conditions in the Antarctic since August. They then point out that it's currently getting deep into polar Spring and that ozone depletion is increasing and not to the point of worrying.

I thought the hole in the ozone had gone the way of acid rain and a mini-ice age. Didn't realize it was still a problem. I must admit, being in Southern Australia, sometimes I go out unprotected for 10-15 minutes and find out that I sunburned later on. And most times you go out at the same time of day for the same or more length of time and you dont get burnt. This used to happen before I lived half way up the country for 7 years and after I got back to the south, but never when I lived halfway up. They say the hole is well south of us, but I am sure that a few times of year a finger of it must extend over Southern Australia.

I think these holes just tend to relocate, get bigger and smaller naturally all over the Earth, with some moderate influence by human activity. They cannot possibly be only in the Antarctic no?

a reply to: Kandinsky

"The scheme to restore the ozone layer" That's a laugh!! What Scheme is that??? Is China a part of that?? India?? the only scheme to abate depletion is ZERO tolerance on any and all substances that deplete the ozone as far as i can see that's not happening.

Refrigeration systems alone Globally add to depletion as well which has not been properly regulated or enforced.

I feel we are leaving a real mess for our children, grand children, .. the future of our proud & smart species

The fringes of the ozone hole 'wobble' around and do get as far north as Melbourne & Adelaide with the worst seasons being Spring and Autumn. It was years ago when I saw an animation of the collected data so, if it's worse now, the mainland will experience what Tasmanians have been getting for decades now in terms of extreme UV days. We get people from Queensland who claim to be used to the sun and not suffering sunburn but a day in Tassie sun especially in the highlands sees them seriously fried just like the rest of us.

Slip slop slap is the rule here or just stay in the shade.

Must be all those florocarbons....oh wait...those were banned....damn....guess it is just a natural phenomenon then.

originally posted by: odinsway
Must be all those florocarbons....oh wait...those were banned....damn....guess it is just a natural phenomenon then.

Thar is just not true. CFCs and Montreal Protocol

a reply to: reldra

Sorry I don't understand. The strength of current refrigerants to affect the ozone layer are too low to replace the CFC that purportately affected the ozone layer in the first place.

The ozone layer recovered faster then could be accounted for by the drop in CFCs.

www.nasa.gov...

Scientists expected the Montreal Protocol to be working in the middle and upper stratosphere and it is," said co-author Mike Newchurch of the University of Alabama in Huntsville. "The real surprise of our research was the degree of ozone recovery we found at lower altitudes, below the middle stratosphere. There, ozone is improving faster than we expected, and appears to be due to changes in atmospheric wind patterns, the causes of which are not yet well understood. Until the cause of the recent ozone increase in the lowermost stratosphere is better understood, making high-accuracy predictions of how the entire ozone layer will behave in the future will remain an elusive goal. Continued careful observation and modeling are required to understand how the ozone recovery process will evolve."

Now the ozone layer is getting worse despite the almost complete lack of CFC's that has been going on.

Are you sure it was CFC's affecting the ozone in the first place? Or could it have been something else?

There was a lot of counter talk in the 1990s that although CFCs could destroy ozone in a laboratory, it was unlikely to happen in the real world because CFCs are molecules that heavier than air.

Were we scammed?
Tired of control Freaks

You need a cross-section of the atmospheric CFC vs Ozone over time.

would there be any correlation between the now large Ozone Hole and the latest barrage from a CME that produced that spate of Northern Lights that has been reported ?

I seem to recall a lot of northern lights lately, including that astounding Eagle in the Sky and a few boron looking wisps of ionized gas... do a search for the winged Eagle display in the steve quayle.com archives

www.telegraph.co.uk...

a reply to: GnosticMountain

Then the time will come when Karma decides to punish humanity by bombing us back to Stone Age.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

It is absolutely astounding how environmentalism and healthism has become a religion! Complete with "sins" and an angry enitity to punish us!

I was looking around to find the concentrations of CFC in the atmosphere today and historically.

www.esrl.noaa.gov...

Table 2. Global Radiative Forcing, CO2-equivalent mixing ratio, and the AGGI 1979-2013
Global Radiative Forcing (W m-2) CO2-eq
(ppm) AGGI
Year CO2 CH4 N2O CFC12 CFC11 15-minor Total Total 1990 = 1 % change *
1979 1.027 0.406 0.104 0.092 0.039 0.031 1.699 382 0.785
1980 1.058 0.413 0.104 0.097 0.042 0.034 1.747 385 0.807 2.2
1981 1.077 0.420 0.107 0.102 0.044 0.036 1.786 388 0.825 1.8
1982 1.089 0.426 0.111 0.107 0.046 0.038 1.818 390 0.840 1.5
1983 1.115 0.429 0.113 0.113 0.048 0.041 1.859 394 0.859 1.9
1984 1.140 0.432 0.116 0.118 0.050 0.044 1.900 396 0.877 1.9
1985 1.162 0.438 0.118 0.123 0.053 0.047 1.940 400 0.896 1.9
1986 1.184 0.442 0.122 0.129 0.056 0.049 1.982 403 0.916 1.9
1987 1.211 0.447 0.120 0.136 0.059 0.053 2.026 406 0.936 2.0
1988 1.250 0.451 0.122 0.143 0.062 0.057 2.086 411 0.963 2.8
1989 1.274 0.455 0.126 0.149 0.064 0.061 2.130 414 0.984 2.1
1990 1.293 0.459 0.129 0.154 0.065 0.065 2.165 417 1.000 1.6
1991 1.313 0.463 0.131 0.158 0.067 0.069 2.200 419 1.016 1.6
1992 1.324 0.467 0.133 0.162 0.067 0.072 2.225 421 1.027 1.1
1993 1.334 0.467 0.134 0.164 0.068 0.074 2.240 423 1.035 0.7
1994 1.356 0.470 0.135 0.165 0.068 0.076 2.270 425 1.048 1.4
1995 1.383 0.472 0.137 0.168 0.067 0.077 2.304 428 1.064 1.6
1996 1.410 0.473 0.139 0.170 0.067 0.078 2.336 430 1.079 1.5
1997 1.426 0.474 0.142 0.171 0.067 0.079 2.359 432 1.090 1.0
1998 1.465 0.478 0.145 0.172 0.067 0.080 2.406 436 1.111 2.2
1999 1.495 0.481 0.148 0.173 0.066 0.082 2.444 439 1.129 1.8
2000 1.513 0.481 0.151 0.173 0.066 0.083 2.468 441 1.140 1.1
2001 1.535 0.481 0.153 0.174 0.065 0.085 2.493 443 1.151 1.2
2002 1.564 0.481 0.155 0.174 0.065 0.087 2.526 446 1.167 1.5
2003 1.601 0.483 0.157 0.174 0.064 0.088 2.567 449 1.186 1.9
2004 1.627 0.483 0.159 0.174 0.063 0.090 2.596 452 1.199 1.3
2005 1.655 0.482 0.162 0.173 0.063 0.092 2.627 454 1.213 1.4
2006 1.685 0.482 0.165 0.173 0.062 0.095 2.662 457 1.229 1.6
2007 1.710 0.484 0.167 0.172 0.062 0.097 2.692 460 1.244 1.4
2008 1.739 0.487 0.170 0.171 0.061 0.100 2.728 463 1.260 1.7
2009 1.760 0.489 0.172 0.171 0.061 0.103 2.755 465 1.272 1.2
2010 1.791 0.491 0.175 0.170 0.060 0.106 2.793 469 1.290 1.7
2011 1.818 0.492 0.178 0.169 0.060 0.109 2.825 471 1.305 1.5
2012 1.845 0.494 0.181 0.168 0.059 0.111 2.858 474 1.320 1.5
2013 1.882 0.496 0.183 0.167 0.059 0.114 2.901 478 1.340 2.0
2014 1.909 0.500 0.187 0.166 0.058 0.116 2.936 481 1.356 1.6
* annual change (in %) is calculated relative to 1990

now just to put this in perspective: The Montreal Protocol was adopted in 1994. Emissions of CFC has dropped to 4 % of the volume that was emitted in the 1980s.

There were huge celebrations. The Montreal Protocol was used over and over what humanity had accomplished and what could be accomplished if we worked cooperatively. At the same time as the Montreal Protocol, of course, was the birth of the global warming movement and the need to work cooperatively to reduce the discharge of CO2.

But a strange thing happened after 1994, the ozone layer healed much faster then scientists could account for if CFs were the actual CAUSE of the ozone layer depletion.


www.huffingtonpost.com...

"Ozone holes with smaller areas and a larger total amount of ozone are not necessarily evidence of recovery attributable to the expected chlorine decline," Susan Strahan of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center explained in a media briefing. "That assumption is like trying to understand what's wrong with your car's engine without lifting the hood."

Instead, the scientists believe the most recent ozone hole changes, including both the largest hole ever, in 2006, and one of the smallest holes, in 2012, are primarily due to weather. Strong winds have the ability to move ozone in large quantities, effectively blocking the hole some years, while failing to block it in others.

“At the moment, it is winds and temperatures that are really controlling how big [the ozone hole] is,” Strahan told the BBC.

And let us look at the size of the ozone layer for the last 12 years:

www.livescience.com...

With this link you will be able to view the size of the ozone hole going back to 1979.

You will be able to compare the size of the ozone hole to exactly the total CFCs contentrations for about the same time period.

There is little to no change in the CFC contentrations during the last 14 years or so but suddenly we have this bigger-then-ever hole in the ozone layer.

Now the hole in the ozone layer is not restricted to recent history. It has been under observation since 1956. Now CFCs were invented and used during World war II but they were really new and were mostly used for aerosols, paints etc. They really didn't come into use as refrigerants until the 1960s.

So to sum up this thread. The hole in the ozone layer existed prior to the common use of CFCs. The hole in the ozone layer healed faster then could be attributed to the decrease in emissions after the 1994 Montreal Protocol AND now the hole is the largest its ever been despite the fact that the concentration in CFCs has not changed from the previous 14 years.

Scientists are saying NOW but not before that Montreal Protocol that it is the interaction of colder than normal air with the CFCs that are causing the changes in the ozone layer. This now confirms for sure that it is NOT CFCs alone that cause holes in the ozone layer and that global warming may play a role, however, there has been no change in the stratspheric temperature since the global warming scare started.

Folks - is it possible that the hole in the ozone layer is a natural phenomena of temperature and solar winds.

Did we get scammed here?

Tired of Control Freaks

Maybe that could be the source for the climate change?

More harmful rays are making it to the surface of the planet coupled with deforestation and large areas covered with asphalt and concrete?

I don't know, I am no expert, but this is just food for thought.

a reply to: bitsforbytes

The CFCs that are supposedly reacting with the ozone is occurring in the stratosphere. This is the layer above the Troposphere where global warming is said to be occurring.

Also the article states that the damage to the ozone layer occurs with COLD temperatures,not warm.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: Pilgrum

I visit Tassie, my Mum lives there. It's true- on a 20 degree day, you will get burnt. Where I live in SE Qld you wouldn't burn on a 20 degree day.

I opt for shade.

Oh no! "Science" has "found stuff"!??!! I highly suggest, mass suicide for all believers of "Science"! We stopped using. ..."hair spray",..stopped "burning wood", created other "revenues" with DEQ. .. Cows are still belching, Ozone harming gases, humans are still breathing!!!? Good, Mother Earth! Batman!

I remember reading that CFCs were slow to break down and that the CFCs we were releasing now would make in to the Stratosphere in 20 years, so we would need to wait 20 plus the number of years for them to break down till the hole started to get smaller and till then it would get bigger. Also CFCs were like free radicals, in that they destroyed more than one molecule of ozone each, destroying one and then moving on to another.

What's the latest on acid rain nowadays?

a reply to: Cinrad

Yes they did say that it would take up to 200 years for the ozone layer to fully recover. This is part of the mystery. If you read my long post, you will see that the ozone layer healed much much faster than could possibly be expected IF CFCs were the cause of its depletion.

As a matter of fact, the last 12 years have had smaller and smaller holes in the ozone layer. To 2013 was the smallest hole ever recorded.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

So the planet cooling would cause this hole to grow?