Kansas Republicans forced to raise taxes after Tax Cut Failure

a reply to: mOjOm

Right away I just have to point out that this is the dumbest phrase ever. I've never understood the reasoning behind it. Who the get's a cake knowing they won't eat it??? It's stupid. Nobody buys a cake just to look at it decompose in front of them.

Well then if tax cuts don't work. Then the middle class should give up theirs.

People getting paid for not the work they do, but what they think they are worth.

'Fringe' benefits such as holiday pay,double time,triple time, and vacations, and living wage crap.

That is called having their cake, and eat it too.

Of course that is not counting other benefits employee's have like workmans comp,health insurance, and medicare,and social security contributions employers have to shell out to employees.

The only 'dumb' here is the people refusing to see just exactly what it takes to run a business.

Yeah people, don't blame them for making good business decisions. All you have to do is undercut the Chinese sweat shops who work for 12 cents a day.

Since the thing to do is throw about blame. I blame Americans for that because they think they are better than the Chinese, and everyone else.

'American poor' is so effing laughable compared to what real poor looks like.

originally posted by: neo96
Well then if tax cuts don't work. Then the middle class should give up theirs.

People getting paid for not the work they do, but what they think they are worth.

'Fringe' benefits such as holiday pay,double time,triple time, and vacations, and living wage crap.

That is called having their cake, and eat it too.

Of course that is not counting other benefits employee's have like workmans comp,health insurance, and medicare,and social security contributions employers have to shell out to employees.

The only 'dumb' here is the people refusing to see just exactly what it takes to run a business.

Employees pay into insurance and social security as well so if you're going to throw a pity party about it don't just invite the business owners.

But you illustrate my point exactly. Apparently you're not happy unless businesses have all the rights and the workers have none. You're not happy until people will work for whatever the business decides is fair and they have no protections from being exploited. Just like the sweat shops.

Why not point out the money wasted on huge CEO bonuses along with those pesky holiday pays for employees??? As if while everyone else get's off for a holiday all upper management is still hard at work or something???

Since the thing to do is throw about blame. I blame Americans for that because they think they are better than the Chinese, and everyone else.

'American poor' is so effing laughable compared to what real poor looks like.

They don't think they are better than the Chinese. It's not a comparison. They just understand when they are being exploited. If you think it's such a great model they have in china why don't you go work for 50 cents a day and live in a shack with 15 other people???

They way you seem to see it is that Americans aren't poor because they aren't as poor as the Chinese who are poor. So you don't give a damn until Americans fall to that level. I'm saying that nobody, American or Chinese should ever be at that level and have it considered ok. Poor and homeless is poor and homeless regardless. Some places may be worse than others but that doesn't mean you measure it by the worst possible conditions before you try and fix it.

a reply to: neo96

'American poor' is so effing laughable compared to what real poor looks like.

Tell us how you really feel

a reply to: Aazadan

If you don't decrease spending it's easy to think you're on the wrong side of a Laffer curve, especially when you're talking about the Federal Government. When Bush cut taxes, the receipts increased, meaning there was more revenue, but since there was increased spending on the Federal level at the same time, it didn't matter.

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: neo96

'American poor' is so effing laughable compared to what real poor looks like.

Tell us how you really feel

OK, when I see people living in the cobbled together shanties in the slums of Latin America or in the wattle and daub mud huts of Africa and then I see people who have flat screens, air conditioning, microwaves, a car more often than not, and are usually obese complaining about being poor in the US, I wonder about them. Do they know what being really poor is?

originally posted by: ketsuko
OK, when I see people living in the cobbled together shanties in the slums of Latin America or in the wattle and daub mud huts of Africa and then I see people who have flat screens, air conditioning, microwaves, a car more often than not, and are usually obese complaining about being poor in the US, I wonder about them. Do they know what being really poor is?

Those aren't poor people. If you honestly think those people are the poor people I have to ask exactly in which Ivory tower do you currently live???

There are homeless people living on the streets and in tent cities all across this nation. There are real poor families with kids living in alleys and on street corners everywhere. If you don't know that it's because you refuse to see the reality of it. But don't dare sit there and try and marginalize them even more by telling them how well off they have it. It's repulsive to have to listen to such lies.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: neo96

'American poor' is so effing laughable compared to what real poor looks like.

Tell us how you really feel

OK, when I see people living in the cobbled together shanties in the slums of Latin America or in the wattle and daub mud huts of Africa and then I see people who have flat screens, air conditioning, microwaves, a car more often than not, and are usually obese complaining about being poor in the US, I wonder about them. Do they know what being really poor is?

I've been to both places you mentioned and yes, there are people in the exact same situations here in the United States. I've seen it here and there. Have you, or are you going off of what your party tells you?

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: ketsuko
OK, when I see people living in the cobbled together shanties in the slums of Latin America or in the wattle and daub mud huts of Africa and then I see people who have flat screens, air conditioning, microwaves, a car more often than not, and are usually obese complaining about being poor in the US, I wonder about them. Do they know what being really poor is?

Those aren't poor people. If you honestly think those people are the poor people I have to ask exactly in which Ivory tower do you currently live???

There are homeless people living on the streets and in tent cities all across this nation. There are real poor families with kids living in alleys and on street corners everywhere. If you don't know that it's because you refuse to see the reality of it. But don't dare sit there and try and marginalize them even more by telling them how well off they have it. It's repulsive to have to listen to such lies.

That's what I was getting at. Yes, that is the situation for some people and get classified as living in poverty. But to suggest that every poor person in America has a place to live with big TV's etc. is just ignorant.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: neo96

'American poor' is so effing laughable compared to what real poor looks like.

Tell us how you really feel

OK, when I see people living in the cobbled together shanties in the slums of Latin America or in the wattle and daub mud huts of Africa and then I see people who have flat screens, air conditioning, microwaves, a car more often than not, and are usually obese complaining about being poor in the US, I wonder about them. Do they know what being really poor is?

Over 40 years since the war on poverty began.

Over 22 trillion spent, and today never before in this entire nations history are there now more people broke, and dependent upon government for their existence than EVER in this entire nations history.

We can thank the 'socialist's' for that.

Because all they do is vilify business, and whine, 'Where's my free iphone( made in China)?, and Where's my living wage? ( So they can go out, and buy more stuff made in china).

Socialists just love to think they are so 'righteous', and yet they are just, as greedy, and materialistic as those they decry.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
A sure sign that R's don't know what the f# they're doing.

Brownback is a decorated scumbag though.

They know what they are doing they just haven't figured out how to blame Obama and the Democrats yet.

hilarious coming from people who endlessly blame Republicans even though a democrat is running the show.

Bah. NM.

a reply to: neo96

Your comments are entirely too funny - and I might add, completely made up.

You sound mad, friend.

I would quote you for each time you've looked down open other people - for no apparent reason, "because they're poor - but American poor - ha! what a joke," but then I'd be quoting your entire post, and honestly, you're not worth my time.

People like you are so funny. Defend outsourcing jobs - it's good business! Minus the fact it's taking away jobs from your brothers and sisters, but your lust for that Almighty Dollar quenches that of your lust for desire of the heart, mind, and soul.

And fair enough. But people like you should not be allowed to dictate - ahem, control, - yeah, dictate, how others should live their lives and whether or not they're capable of having a "living wage," aha! what a joke - they didn't work for that!

Who do you sound like now, oh dear hypocrite?

Which is other thing I may mention, minimum wage hit its last peak in '68, about the time all the conservatives now not wanting a raise in the minimum wage were reaping the benefits of having that luxury that they now wish to impose on others.

Funny how that works.

Where's my free iPhone? I'm afraid you've been lost to the propoganda - universal healthcare, public university tuition free, increased wages - which I may note, the pewresearch has an article that mentions how the U.S. should have its minimum wage at around $12 - these are not iPhones - these are a way of life, and a way of attaining those "no skill," jobs that you often vilify those as lesser at.

It's clear you're an elitist, and feel as if you're better than others. You worked for it - and they didn't. They just want a handout. They're just entitled.

The rhetoric is empty, and the ones who so often blame of "whining," and being "entitled," are the same ones who have more value in your world of materialism than world of reality.

And don't get me wrong - I'm not a Democrat. As far as I'm concerned, they operate in the same way, only they, too, believe to be the good guy.

Truly creating a never-ending tug, when both doing the tugging believe they are the righteous, and the other tarnished.

Enough is enough, human beings are human beings, and it is neigh time we usher out those who see themselves as better and others as less.

These are Universal truths that America once stood for, and too many wolves harbor onto "The Consitution," while remaining horrifyingly ignorant on the contents of such - yet still hold its "sacredness."

Take my words as mad ranting, but yours are of hate, intolerance, and bigotry.

Qualities to be found in lesser man, and often projected out on to others.

Your post is full of nothing but non-sensical hatred. $22 Trillion has been spent on the War on Poverty?

You do realize that would exceed the entire GND, which is $18 Trillion?

You are literally making statements up and passing them off as truth.

www.seattletimes.com...

www.pewresearch.org...

www.usatoday.com...

www.aetna.com...

www.highereducation.org...

www.frbatlanta.org...

Everything has continued to sky-rocket in price upwards, and the blame is placed at the feet of those not having enough to pursue higher educations and those who barely make it by - as if they have ANY strain on a system that spends BILLIONS that amounts to pocket-change in a never-ending parade and glorification of war, and the profits therefore instilled.

Yet again, there lay no quarrel - yet the poor take the brute of the anger.

There is again, no quarrel on the matter of outsourcing - seeing as a matter of must being able to compete in a global market - while not realizing or caring that is shows our country cannot compete in that market.

The massive tax-breaks that are then found in offshore accounts, that we are to be told will "trickle-down," has been tried, and is true to have failed.

If it had succeeded, why are our job creators hiding the key to our fundamental economic success in other nations - that are not legally tied to the U.S.?

But alas - blame the poor, for "they want a free iPhone."

Try tasting that of truth on your lips rather than politic, and hate, and see it where may lead you. Beyond that, realize there are three fundamental elements that you want to revoke from others - tens, hundreds of millions, you know nothing about, because you do not like them, how they live, where they work, etc etc.

- Freedom
- Equality
- Justice

All men, and woman should be born with these traits, and to never lose their glory until their death. To those of you who wish to deny others of these; I apologize but you've been born too late; your empire fell in the 40's, but your government also recruited them afterwards, so take solace, all of your wanton hatred and disgust towards others is serving its purpose beyond hand in glove.

As for your comment, "American poor is an effing blah blah blah,"

yourlogicalfallacyis.com...

You hand-selected your own cherry to go on top of this post filled with the verbal hatred.

Well deserved.

EDIT: And might I add, I am no Democrat - so I'll save you that attempt at slander. I supported Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and now stand between Bernie Sanders/Rand Paul, but I feel that Bernie serves a better chance. I'd love to see Rand in the future, however.

Just thought I would clarify, that seems to be the number one jump to conclusion:

"He doesn't agree with me, damn liberals."

Nope. Not even close.

a reply to: neo96

The wars on poverty, drugs and terror. And we've not won a single one.

a reply to: RomeByFire

Your comments are entirely too funny - and I might add, completely made up.

Made up eh ?

The American republic has endured for well over two centuries, but over the past 50 years, the apparatus of American governance has undergone a radical transformation. In some basic respects—its scale, its preoccupations, even many of its purposes—the U.S. government today would be scarcely recognizable to Franklin D. Roosevelt, much less to Abraham Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson.

In 2010 alone, government at all levels oversaw a transfer of over $2.2 trillion in money, goods and services.

Are entitlements corrupting us

This year marks the 50th anniversary of President Lyndon Johnson’s launch of the War on Poverty. In January 1964, Johnson declared “unconditional war on poverty in America.” Since then, the taxpayers have spent $22 trillion on Johnson’s war. Adjusted for inflation, that’s three times the cost of all military wars since the American Revolution.

The War on Poverty: 50 years of failure

You sound mad, friend.

Oh and I decide who my friends are.

And they are not those who keep pushing the same FAILED ideology, and call it 'empty rhetoric' for those that expose the farce for what it is.

As progressive ideology has YET to deliver on ANYTHING.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: RomeByFire

Your comments are entirely too funny - and I might add, completely made up.

Made up eh ?

The American republic has endured for well over two centuries, but over the past 50 years, the apparatus of American governance has undergone a radical transformation. In some basic respects—its scale, its preoccupations, even many of its purposes—the U.S. government today would be scarcely recognizable to Franklin D. Roosevelt, much less to Abraham Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson.

In 2010 alone, government at all levels oversaw a transfer of over $2.2 trillion in money, goods and services.

Are entitlements corrupting us

This year marks the 50th anniversary of President Lyndon Johnson’s launch of the War on Poverty. In January 1964, Johnson declared “unconditional war on poverty in America.” Since then, the taxpayers have spent $22 trillion on Johnson’s war. Adjusted for inflation, that’s three times the cost of all military wars since the American Revolution.

The War on Poverty: 50 years of failure

You sound mad, friend.

Oh and I decide who my friends are.

And they are not those who keep pushing the same FAILED ideology, and call it 'empty rhetoric' for those that expose the farce for what it is.

As progressive ideology has YET to deliver on ANYTHING.

You actually think I am a supporter of the War on Failure?

You are truly a remarkable one, making all the crass assumption. I don't support the War on Drugs, War on Terror, War on Poverty - how can one have war on animate objects, but alas, something the conservative base love so much - war.

And out of my entire post, you literally deflect every point made and link presented, and instead call me a progressive, and tell me you that you decide who your friends are?

Um, congratulations - I wasn't aware of any who had no say in their friends, so good on you, man.

And my "progressive ideology?"

I should've further clarified my first edit:

I'm not a liberal, nor a conservative, nor a progressive, nor a neocon, nor a Socialist, nor a Democratic Socialist, nor a Republicist, nor a Consitutional Republicist, I'm an anarchist - if you wish to insult my beliefs and as if I alone stand behind some sort of ideology implemented about 25 years before I walked on this Earth - at least measure a medicrom of accuracy.

I love how when pressed, the immediate response is deflect to another subject.

Where did you address any of the links I presented?

You have no interest in truth, only in politic and gain. Typical of an American who waters at the mouth of their messiah, overtaking all those below as lesser and above as equals.

Progressive ideologies alike with your Conservative have collectively embraced one another to sew the stitches in the demise and detriment of the common man; something you have no quarrel with, clearly, as you see yourself above the common man.

EDIT: What else I find truly amazing, is how it is never demonstrated what exactly led to the failure of - say, the war on poverty - instead, a brutish finger is pointed and bellied laughs cry exclaiming, "Ha! You failed!," yet never wanting to understand the failures and the implications to ensure it doesn't happen yet again.

But it happens, under different part affiliation, under different platform, under different voice and different person. But the continued delay and decay of wealth redistribution solely residing in the top has remained the only constant.

Yet this issue is never mentioned or quarreled on, only the failures which are mocked and replaced with even greater failures.

And do you not comprehend, that raising a wage, would result in less in poverty - as well as tuition free education, thus leading to more achieving better paying jobs?

Or do you want not them to have these opportunities, and instead things remain how they have been? I asked this question in my previous post, as well as many more, and (don't expect) didn't get an answer - typical.

What do you think people would do with more money? Eat it? Burn it? Flush it down the toilet?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: neo96

The wars on poverty, drugs and terror. And we've not won a single one.

Just as any war, they're not meant to be won. They're meant to be perpetual, in whatever direction it is aimed at.

The War on Drugs results in more drug arrests, which in turn leads to more drug arrests - as well as gun arrests. The fundamental flaw is that the drugs will always remain, it is the people being arrested however that is the constant revenue.

The War in Terror results in more terror, a six year old child could inform you that being mean to a dog will cause it to bite you. Invading, occupying, overthrowing, destroying, and killing others in other countries in order to fight terrorism is going to cause others to join the terrorist cause - one that has deep roots back to the U.S. Military and other covert jackets.

The War on Poverty - you guessed it.

However, I've made it known to me that I am a progressive, and support such policy. Of that myself I was unaware.

Failed policies are failed, and will continue to fail, regardless of voice or affiliation that peddles it.

a reply to: RomeByFire

You are truly a remarkable one, making all the crass assumption.

Since when are assumptions bad ?

There were a hell of alot of them earlier.

I love how when pressed, the immediate response is deflect to another subject.

Yeah well personal attacks don't have to be answered like the one below.

Who do you sound like now, oh dear hypocrite?

And another one.

It's clear you're an elitist, and feel as if you're better than others. You worked for it - and they didn't. They just want a handout. They're just entitled.

Really thanks for telling me what I think, and what I am. Although don't know what the hell it has to do with the topic.

So deflection no. Just didin't bother answering the TROLL.

You have no interest in truth, only in politic and gain. Typical of an American who waters at the mouth of their messiah, overtaking all those below as lesser and above as equals.

Hey thanks for telling me what I think again. I really had no idear.

Of course there no such thing as TRUTH in American politics.

EDIT: What else I find truly amazing, is how it is never demonstrated what exactly led to the failure of - say, the war on poverty - instead, a brutish finger is pointed and bellied laughs cry exclaiming, "Ha! You failed!," yet never wanting to understand the failures and the implications to ensure it doesn't happen yet again.

That was pointed out earlier in the thread for those that bother to READ it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Wage, and benefit is the biggest reason business leaves this country.

TO SAY IT ONE MORE TIME because good's are cheaper to make eslewhere.

But it happens, under different part affiliation, under different platform, under different voice and different person. But the continued delay and decay of wealth redistribution solely residing in the top has remained the only constant.

And that's 'truthful' ?

It itsn't.

Americans today make more, have more benefits from the STATE, and employers than at any other time in American history.

It is a LIE to say 'wealth is concentrated' at the top. Because it damn well isn't.

And do you not comprehend, that raising a wage, would result in less in poverty - as well as tuition free education, thus leading to more achieving better paying jobs?

And that is a load of bull crap because all work is not created equal.Especially when it comes to skilled, and unskilled labor.

Basically meaning those that put in the time,effort, and money should make a higher wage. Than someone who hasn't.

That is why CEO's make more than a janitor cleaning a toilet.

That is why a doctor makes more than someone flipping a burger.

A universal wage puts people out of work. THAT IS A FACT.

Because that translates more money employers have to shell out for social security contributitions, and medicare contributions,workmans comp, and unemployment isurance.

Yeah employers are ALREADY shelling out more to employees than they should have to.

Never satisfied people whine raise the wage!

Well what's the point of college degree when people want to make universal wages laws?

Rewarding the mediocre for doing absolutely nothing. Unlike skilled laborers.

What do you think people would do with more money? Eat it? Burn it? Flush it down the toilet?

Obvious answer is flush it down the toilet. Because most people are stuck on their ID complex of 'I WANT!,I WANT!'.

Give a million dollars to most Americans, and they would be broke within 1 to 2 weeks.

After all we know how dumb Americans are thats why we 'need' government to feed them,cloth them, educate them, and give them free homes'.

Yeah progressive ideology doesn't look very pretty, and is the INSULT here.

a reply to: mOjOm

When rich people get money, it doesn't necessarily go back into the economy, especially if they are storing it in something like a Swiss bank account. That is why in Europe, banks are considering negative interest rates on savings accounts to stimulate the economy - it is so that the rich people are forced to spend their money or lose it. Although this plan hurts the poor and middle-class too and is unfair, the reasoning behind it is an example of how money given to rich people doesn't go back into the economy.

Poor and middle-class families are spending most of what they have to offer, although the middle-class family might put a bit aside for savings.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: neo96

The wars on poverty, drugs and terror. And we've not won a single one.

Not only have we not won any of them but made each one of them bigger and more powerful in the process. With that track record if we had a War on Education and a War on Peace we'd all be brilliant and living peacefully more than ever.

a reply to: darkbake

Exactly, I agree with you 100%.

People complaining about social programs that help the poor don't realize that without that food money and aid money going out to people all over the nation, cities would simply stop functioning. Because every month those monies are used in full to buy things at local stores which keeps businesses running. If the money stops moving the whole things crashes. That's why Wealth Holding does no good. Give a rich person more money they are still not going to spend much more than they already do. It doesn't help anyone. Give it to people that will spend it and bingo, you're economy is off and running.