There never has been a Christian nation

a reply to: randyvs

I mean I agree. It is a good idea to give them a place to stay, but the odds of you getting away from the Socialist aspects of it are slim and none.

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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Well it was implied.

They are saying to fend for themselves because it's their tax money that's going to be paying for it. They're basically saying they don't want to take money out of their own pocket (their taxes) to help those in need. That's the definition of fend for yourself.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Well it was implied.

They are saying to fend for themselves because it's their tax money that's going to be paying for it. They're basically saying they don't want to take money out of their own pocket (their taxes) to help those in need. That's the definition of fend for yourself.

But they are more likely to take money out of their own pocket, their own paycheques, their own incomes, voluntarily, whereas the opposite side of the spectrum is less likely to do so. Paying more taxes is not a sign of generosity or helping those in need. It's a sign of giving more money to the government.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

They voluntarily give up money for lots of things through taxes, just not for the poor right? That's going too far to help the poor with their taxes. If they're willing to give money out of their own pockets they should be willing to pay taxes. It's the same thing. As long as the taxes are going toward helping the poor and results are there, what's the big deal?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: randyvs

I mean I agree. It is a good idea to give them a place to stay, but the odds of you getting away from the Socialist aspects of it are slim and none.

Don't be so negative Shot, there's more than one way to
skin a cat as they say.

Why do they say that anyway? Very cruel!

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

They voluntarily give up money for lots of things through taxes, just not for the poor right? That's going too far to help the poor with their taxes. If they're willing to give money out of their own pockets they should be willing to pay taxes. It's the same thing. As long as the taxes are going toward helping the poor and results are there, what's the big deal?

If people are willing to pay taxes, then they should also be willing to give money out of their own pockets. What's the big deal? But it doesn't appear as if they do. The big deal is being able to choose where one's own money goes. For instance, anyone can choose to give their money toward helping the poor already, by their own volition. If they believe their tax dollars are doing that work for them, they will be sadly mistaken when they find their dollar also goes to the military, to the politicians, and to public works that have nothing to do with the poor.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Their money already goes to those other things through their taxes though, so why not to the poor as well? If results show as they are in Utah, they know their money is going where it needs to. If they are willing to pay out of their own pocket then they should be willing to pay taxes. They don't want to though, why? I have a good guess.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Their money already goes to those other things through their taxes though, so why not to the poor as well? If results show as they are in Utah, they know their money is going where it needs to. If they are willing to pay out of their own pocket then they should be willing to pay taxes. They don't want to though, why? I have a good guess.

I bet you have a guess. But I'm wagering that's all you have.

Of course, all this happened in Utah after finding it would save them tax dollars, not cost them more tax dollars.

a reply to: randyvs

You know, many people call me negative or pessimistic because I like to shoot their idealistic ideas down, but I usually just consider myself a realist. That's why I agreed that it is theoretically possible, but highly unlikely that you'd reduce government spending for the project to zero. I'm also pretty sure that any government contractors working on those houses aren't going to be too keen on working pro bono. I know if I had a business with a government contract, I'd protect it like a Faberge Egg. Those things are VERY lucrative.

Why do they say that anyway? Very cruel!

Good point. Let's start a petition to change it to "more than one way to skin a potato".

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I see a growing trend of falsifying and lying here on ATS.

Oh, you do not -

Being persnickety doesn't make you the keeper of the truth

criminy...

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

No one is a keeper of truth. But clearly there are people who will attempt to disguise it if it doesnt match their version of it.

You never heard of habitat for humanity?

www.habitat.org...

Habitat for Humanity: A Christian ministry

Shelter from wind, rain and cold is a basic human need
Habitat for Humanity International is a nonprofit, ecumenical Christian organization. We are dedicated to eliminating substandard housing and homelessness worldwide and to making adequate, affordable shelter a matter of conscience and action. Our ministry was founded on the conviction that every man, woman and child should have a simple, decent place to live in dignity and safety.



Interested in how your church can get
involved with Habitat? Visit Faith Engagement


We have a policy of building with people in need regardless of race or religion. We welcome volunteers and supporters from all backgrounds.

We are driven by the desire to give tangible expression to the love of God through the work of eliminating poverty housing. Our mission and methods are predominantly derived from a few key theological concepts:

Putting faith into action
Habitat’s ministry is based on the conviction that to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, we must love and care for one another. Our love must not be words only— it must be true love, which shows itself in action. Habitat provides an opportunity for people to put their faith and love into action. We bring diverse groups of people together to make affordable housing and better communities a reality for everyone.

We have more than 1,400 local affiliates in the United States and more than 70 national organizations around the world. Together, we have helped more than 1 million families — representing 5 million people — improve their living conditions since our founding in 1976.

we have a local one, with a warehouse full of materials donated by construction companies.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Yes, we've all heard of it. Great organization! What's your point? That is a totally different situation from the one in the OP, where the government is actually helping people, which is a great thing.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

No one is a keeper of truth. But clearly there are people who will attempt to disguise it if it doesnt match their version of it.

True enough - but not in this thread. You should give it a rest

This is a thread where the left and the right, the religious and the godless - recognize something important with each other about each other and then share a happy moment

You can join in if you like, but otherwise you're not exposing a thing - you're just being a killjoy

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Well ... technically, you said killjoy instead of spoilsport, so you're obviously hiding something.

Also, note that you used the word religious before the word godless when Poupon claimed that these are the same category.

Additionally, you use the word "you" with impunity ... but you are obviously unaware of what Marcus Aurelius stated clearly about pronoun usage.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

True enough - but not in this thread. You should give it a rest

This is a thread where the left and the right, the religious and the godless - recognize something important with each other about each other and then share a happy moment

You can join in if you like, but otherwise you're not exposing a thing - you're just being a killjoy

You're free to write a thread on me all you wish. Until then, I'm not the topic. I'm sorry I ruined happy time with you and the words on your screen. How sentimental.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Curses! Foiled again! I can't help myself - apparently

thanks for being funny Gryffindor :-)

Er, I mean Gryphon...

a reply to: Gryphon66

Well ... technically, you said killjoy instead of spoilsport, so you're obviously hiding something.

Also, note that you used the word religious before the word godless when Poupon claimed that these are the same category.

Additionally, you use the word "you" with impunity ... but you are obviously unaware of what Marcus Aurelius stated clearly about pronoun usage.

Never quite your day-job friend—that is if you have one.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

Well ... technically, you said killjoy instead of spoilsport, so you're obviously hiding something.

Also, note that you used the word religious before the word godless when Poupon claimed that these are the same category.

Additionally, you use the word "you" with impunity ... but you are obviously unaware of what Marcus Aurelius stated clearly about pronoun usage.

Never quite your day-job friend—that is if you have one.

What did you say about making it personal, LesMis?

LOL ... focus on the subject not me.