Florida’s New Anti-Gay, Anti-Woman Bill May Be the Most Malicious Yet

originally posted by: grandmakdw


The idea that people will refuse to treat
medically when someone is in need is
the boogie man hypothesis.

That isn't going to happen, it is a paranoid
illogical extension of the legislation
designed to scare people into submission;

Ahhh, but it HAS happened.

www.usatoday.com...

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: grandmakdw

But the fact that people are so anxious to make
people hide their values/morals that you and others
deem unacceptable
in a closet and keep it private and not expose others
to the values/morals you don't like;
and to punish them and make fun of them for
being the way they are;
well what does that remind you of?

I have no dog in this fight - but

payback's a bitch.

BINGO
opposing the legislation
is all about revenge.
Forcing some people into the closet
that other people were just let out of.

The people who oppose it are in essence
in my opinion saying:
"We are angry about how you treated XYZ
because you hurt their feelings by
disagreeing with their lifestyle
so we are going to make it illegal for you
to ever disagree with XYZ or anyones lifestyle
and you are going to be forced to hide your
feelings and your morals and values,
or you will lose your job or your business.
Revenge is so sweet."
What does revenge do

Bring people together? No
it divides people.

Bring about reconciliation? No
it creates deeper and more
profound distrust and hatred.

Increase understanding? No
it causes a toxic environment
where understanding becomes impossible.

Increases tolerance? No
it increases intolerance

Bring about understanding, and
acceptance?
No
it drives a wedge so deep that understanding,
and acceptance may never happen

That's what happens when people rejoice
in payback and revenge.

Revenge creates a toxic hatred that infects everyone and everything
it touches,

making real tolerance on the part of
everyone nearly impossible to achieve.

But it does seem to make the inflictor of
revenge happy - in the short term - but
causes a great deal of unhappiness and
misunderstanding and toxicity in the long run.

The opposite of what people say they want to achieve,
tolerance, understanding and kindness.

Good call Buzzy, you got the idea clear and simple!

Revenge is a #$% and it creates more problems
than it fixes with short term joy.

Long term gloating and revenge make the situation far far far worse
for absolutely everyone involved.

So force people to do things against their will
and make them hide who they are
their values/morals
in the closet and keep the closet door shut
or risk losing their job or business.
Because you happen to disagree with their
chosen lifestyle.

And keep the ugly toxic cycle of hatred and
distrust growing off the spores of gleeful revenge.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Good call Buzzy, you got the idea clear and simple!

Wow!! O_o!!!!

*gets out pompoms and does a cheer*

Do I get a "C" then???

Revenge is a #$% and it creates more problems
than it fixes with short term joy.
Long term it makes the situation far far far worse
for absolutely everyone involved.

Then stop bitching about it.

So force people to do things against their will
and make them hide who they are
their values/morals
in the closet and keep the closet door shut
or risk losing their job or business.

Like happened to you when you were up for tenure, right? I get it.

Because you happen to disagree with their
chosen lifestyle.

If their "chosen lifestyle" is NOT ILLEGAL, it's none of your damn business.

I told off my bosses 30 years ago who wanted me to "co-sign" checks that I KNEW (as the office manager) were going to bounce. I refused to do it. It was illegal. I didn't lose my job.

STOP already with the victim card, gma!!! Own your own 'sh!T' - and stop blaming everyone else for your own losses and discomfort. Just like you keep telling everyone else to do.

Deal?

a reply to: grandmakdw

No, it's not revenge to want equal treatment under the law. What Buzzy means is that it is a sort of karmic payback. What goes around comes around, in a cosmic sense.

a reply to: grandmakdw

The Muslim marrying a very very young bride can claim
discrimination, just like LGBT.

So me and kay have both asked if this would be an issue if it wasn't a muslim with no response from you.

Literally every situation is just you making stuff up and throwing it against the wall hoping it makes sense.

Nazi's are not a protected class so again, your example doesn't fit what you are trying to say.

a reply to: Darth_Prime

except i am NOT denying service based on sexual orientation, but based on my interpretation of a dangerously mentally ill individuals who pay to self mutilate their bodies and ingest chemical cocktails that scramble their confused brains even more so. Considering the recent spate of horrific violent crimes committed by mentally ill individuals, it is easy for me to determine that an individual who self mutilates their sexual organs and makes certain the world needs to know it is already predisposed to violence. Because they already committed violence against themselves, as a result of what I perceive and interpret as mental illness.

Gay and bisexuals shop my store all the time, I got good rapport with many of my shoppers. Some of them know I give the mentally unstable transgenders a hard time due to my fears of them committing possible terrorist acts resulting from their mental instability. I dont need that baggage. They can go to wal-mart or 7 eleven and wait in line with the rest of the zombies. I cannot determine when a normal man or woman is a possible threat, but its easy with transgender folk who brag and glorify the self mutilation of their bodies. If a person decides to hack off their limbs because that is how they identify, even the most liberal judge would consider that mentally unstable. Why is it different when a man chops off his organ or a women does away with her breasts??

The threat is real and I prefer to keep such threat out of my establishment. Now that I am done repeating myself, I still dont believe the law would be signed by the governor if it were passed. Someone like Lindsay graham or Ted Cruz may sign it into law, but I doubt Rick Scott has the cojones.

This city would surely get alot more interesting if this law came into being as there is a big population here of that demographic. Truth be told, most businesses would just go as is typical. If one employee refuses to serve someone based on the backing of this law, they can simply step aside and allow another employee to do so and the establishment would be prevented from imposing repercussions on those who stay with their convictions.

Besides I keep my sidearm on me openly inside my store, which is my property. Good luck demanding I be prevented from refusing service to anyone whom I so choose on my own property. I do not lease from a landlord.

I dont offer a public service, I just sell retail goods and consumables as well as exotic imports.

On the flip side though, I dont believe even a transgenders deserve to be refused medical service. It would certainly be a contradiction to the whole point of entering the medical profession.

originally posted by: grandmakdw
The Muslim marrying a very very young bride can claim
discrimination, just like LGBT.

Not if it's against the state law. Muslims still have to obey the law. (Duh!)

If a baker bakes custom shaped cakes and a person
requests a penis or breast cake, they could sue
for sexual discrimination.

Wrong. Unless he makes penis cakes for other customers, he cannot be successfully sued. Because he's treating all his customers equally. When you think up these while scenarios, always ask yourself, "Is he treating all customers equally? Does he make penis cake for other customers?" That will help you to stop wasting your time with these outlandish scenarios.

A Nazi could also sue for discrimination based on
discrimination against Nazi's for not making a swastika.

Nope. You're simply wrong. A cake maker gets to say what PRODUCTS he sells. Discrimination is NOT about the PRODUCT, but about the CUSTOMER (a person).

The more you bring up these ridiculous arguments, the more you show that you don't know or understand the law at all. You're grasping at straws and missing.

a reply to: grandmakdw

It's discrimination to offer a Service and deny people based on their Sex,Sexual-Orientation, Gender-Identity, Race Etc.

Maybe this Bill will never pass and hopefully it doesn't, but the fact is that someone thought up this Bill and there are others that agree with it, that alone is scary enough.

it was like the Bill that was purposed in California, to Punish homosexuality by Gunfire. everyone knew the bill would never pass, but he thought it up and he got a lot of Signatures, again that is scary enough


You keep bringing up the same thing

"Hide your Values/Morals"

How? how is saying you can't discriminate forcing anyone to hide any "Values" or "Morals" and like i said before, if your Morals include Discrimination than your Morals are Bad


Sorry, not sorry, but you can't play the victim here

a reply to: AmericanRealist

You lost all credibility with that post..


Terrorist attacks... and we are Mentally Unstable? Read your post again..

a reply to: AmericanRealist

So, because a person is transgender, they must also be violent?? Where do you get this stuff? Obviously just out of your own messed up head. I recommend therapy. It works wonders.

Just for the record, some transgender people live their lives as the gender they identify with without ever having the surgery. You are okay with them I suppose, because they weren't "violent with their own bodies"? How do you know which ones have had the surgery and which ones haven't. Is there something you're not telling us about your relationships with transgender people?

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Darth_Prime

Soo..... Can we mandate that a christian has to act like a christian? A muslim, like a muslim? And when they step out of line, can we stone them? It is what their religion calls for and i want them to have the freedom to be religious.

The irony being that a true Christian would abhor this law and break it, since they believe in loving all other humans, forgiveness, turning the other cheek and, indeed, all the teachings of Christ .... And if they do not love and respect all people of all ethnicity and all sexual persuasions then they are not Christian at all. Just stupid bigots. What would Jesus do?

Those of you in favor of this legislation ... can you please explain why with the US Constitution, the Florida Constitution, and the Florida Religious Freedom Restoration Acts (which expands religious protections even further than the Constitution) ... what this new law needs to protect against?

I've been looking for a couple of days for evidence that the religious in FL are being forced to do things against their will.

I have found precisely zero cases. There have been no cases in which a religious person was forced to do anything for anyone.

How does this make any rational sense?

Followup: How can the "small government" folks be in favor of an unnecessary law that addresses no actual cases of restriction of religious freedom in Florida.

Government should be small only when it's not protecting the religious?

a reply to: grandmakdw

All the boogie man things they pretend
will happen, won't.
People won't be denied
needed medical care.

So then what's this doctor's motivation for making this bill if it's not his desire to deny medical care to certain people that he deems contrary to his beliefs?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: pyramid head

I'm not aware of what you are referring to regarding the POTUS funding the murder of LGBT people. You'll have to provide more info on that - but, do it on another thread please.

If you actually care, you'll do your best to inform yourself. This isn't some secret, it's mainline current events. Pres funds and runs ISIS. They murder gays and women.

There's a lot more to it than just a thread.

a reply to: pyramid head

My reply is about pointing out the Hipocrisy of the thread that people like yourself will get angry about a law or bill but be silent on the murder of these groups by the president.

This makes very little sense to me.

We are also not discussing poverty in this thread. Or sexual slavery. That doesn't mean we don't care about them.

This thread is about a specific topic. That's what we are discussing.

a reply to: AmericanRealist

Some of them know I give the mentally unstable transgenders a hard time due to my fears of them committing possible terrorist acts resulting from their mental instability. I dont need that baggage. They can go to wal-mart or 7 eleven and wait in line with the rest of the zombies.

Or maybe. They appear 'unstable' because you treat them like mentally unstable terrorist zombies right from the get-go!

Besides I keep my sidearm on me openly inside my store

Good luck demanding I be prevented from refusing service to anyone

Nice subtle threat..

I am much more worried about you shooting a transgender customer than I am of gun-weilding transgender terrorists.

a reply to: Darth_Prime

it was like the Bill that was purposed in California, to Punish homosexuality by Gunfire. everyone knew the bill would never pass, but he thought it up and he got a lot of Signatures, again that is scary enough

Literally death by firing squad. Even supporters were to be fined up to $1 million. I forgot all about that. Right in our home state too

I agree with you completely. Regardless of whether it passes, it's tremendously depressing that people write these bills and garner supporters.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

I was like nooo not California!!

McLaughlin calls homosexual sex "buggery," and "sodomy," and labels it "a monstrous evil that Almighty God, giver of freedom and liberty, commands us to suppress on pain of our utter destruction even as he overthrew Sodom and Gomorrha [sic]."

He says that it's "better" that non-gay Californians kill the gays rather than have to suffer God's punishment.

He was a Special one

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Those of you in favor of this legislation ... can you please explain why with the US Constitution, the Florida Constitution, and the Florida Religious Freedom Restoration Acts (which expands religious protections even further than the Constitution) ... what this new law needs to protect against?

I've been looking for a couple of days for evidence that the religious in FL are being forced to do things against their will.

I have found precisely zero cases. There have been no cases in which a religious person was forced to do anything for anyone.

How does this make any rational sense?

This is Florida, enough said right??
a reply to: kaylaluv

So, because a person is transgender, they must also be violent?? Where do you get this stuff? Obviously just out of your own messed up head. I recommend therapy. It works wonders.

Just for the record, some transgender people live their lives as the gender they identify with without ever having the surgery. You are okay with them I suppose, because they weren't "violent with their own bodies"? How do you know which ones have had the surgery and which ones haven't. Is there something you're not telling us about your relationships with transgender people?

Thats cute. If A man comes dressed in the store as a woman with makeup on and clearly does not have breast implants and butt implants (an unfortunately common sight in this city) that is just a regular old drag queen in my books. I dont so much bother the drag queens unless they get too fresh with anyone around, they can be pretty funny and comical. Kind of like a jester or clown. They clearly love the attention because all the ones I have met love to make people laugh.

Its not as if I am inundated with transgender post op people trying to shop here. There is only like three of them that I have kicked out, all were men with breast implants and God knows what else they did to their body. I just cannot trust what is going on in that persons mind enough knowing what they did to themselves to feel safe with them shopping around my store and customers. The parents are very thankful anyways.

Would you just trust a teenage girl who slashed her wrists to watch your child?? How about an old man who cut off his ears because he was tired of hearing voices (as if that were going to fix it) to babysit your pet for a weekend?? Would you trust a man who stuffed himself with boobs and very likely did away with other parts??


Transgender people are frequently on anti anxiety medicine and other SSRI's AS WELL AS hormone treatments. That is not ever a healthy combination for ones mental well being. Fact I dont trust ANYONE who is on ANY SSRI because I have no idea if they will be part of the 15,000 (less than 1%) out of 15 million plus who will be guaranteed to experience escalated hostility, aggression, and violent outbursts as a result of the medication they have been manipulated into believing will save their mental health. It only turns people in pharma slaves because the consequences of suddenly stopping the medication can be very devastating.

So while I may never know who is on SSRI's when walking about as regular men and women, I will trust statistics and just make it easy to pick out the mutilated men and women who are clearly "not well" .

I also have a "no adults wearing face covers" policy, but I let it slide for this one Muslim chick who insists on wearing her total body cover thing. I know her and her husband after speaking with her about not needing to be forced into this kind of subjugation, but she insists that it is her choice, and her husband does not force her. None of my business though to make it a crusade. She just gets milk and eggs and the occasional magazine to read and snacks for the kids.

a reply to: AmericanRealist

The fact that you kicked them out for such trivial reasons, and that you think they are necessarily prone to extreme violence, makes me question your state of mind. Since you're being so blunt and asking those questions... I honestly would not trust you, or someone with your mentality, to babysit kids or pets. You essentially come across to me, as you perceive them.

Transgender people are frequently on anti anxiety medicine and other SSRI's

That's fairly common among our nation's entire populace.

So again... something your paranoia should extend to every potential customer.