My father's missing time experience

First off, english isn't my native language so my apologies in advance.

Ok I've been an user here from a long time now, but it's not as today that I was told by my own dad about an odd experience he had several years ago in his youth.

Doing the math, it seems it happened circa 1968. My father and his friend of about the same age, around 16-17, went to a town (let's call it 'B') that was around 10 miles from the town they used to live (let's call it 'A'). They both had girlfriends on 'B', as a matter of fact they were sisters so lived together. They went and stayed for a certain time and around the midnight they started the way back, together, to 'A'.

Oddly, they decided to make the way back walking the road, it was a dirt, country road, and the traffic was almost inexistent at that moment. In fact, my dad remember just seeing a couple of cars that night. I said oddly because as far he remembers, and despite they went to 'B' several times, they never made the trip on foot, usually using a car or train.

In any case, at some point after leaving 'B', they observed at the horizon a light. My dad thought it was maybe a train (the train tracks were close to the road, in fact going parallel to it). Here it is when it becomes strange. The next thing they BOTH remember, is being very close to 'A', but around 7 hours later after leaving 'B', still walking the road, the sun was shinning and without any recollection whatsoever after seeing the light. It's like a big chunk of space and time was just erased from their memories. My father remember talking to his friend about this before arriving to 'A', how late it was, and his friend was as confused as he was.

He also confessed to me that he finds strange that the topic was like buried for some time, like he didn't feel the need to talk about it despite the obvious strangeness of the whole situation.

In any case, some years later after dating my mom, he mentioned the experience to her, and today I got knowledge of it.

Sadly, my dad's friend is long gone, he passes away years back. I thought it would be interesting to see what he remembered, but yeah, dead end there.

Looking at the map of the area, and considering the distance, I find strange the fact it took to them around 7 hours to walk 10 miles. And of course, the fact they just won't remember a pretty big part of the trip. There was a small town before arriving 'A' and he doesn't have any memory of passing it.

So yeah, we all know the 'missing time' phenomena and how it relates several times to 'odd' lights in the sky. When I was listening the experience, knowing what I know, it sounded in every sense to a classic abduction scenario.

It remains unclear if my dad will be willing to try to 'uncover' the missing memories using hypnosis-like relaxation techniques. We discussed the possibility.

What really hit me was the fact he was with somebody else and this person went through the same 'missing time' experience.

So well, just passing the story to you guys, contributing my small first-hand information about this enygma.

a reply to: JackHill

I wrote a paper which sheds some light upon this and it is called END OF REALITY POINT THEORY THE EXPLANATION FOR PARANORMAL APPEARANCES. Basically the theory is this there are flaws in four dimensional space time and this is because the universe is woven from a dimension or string: this is not string theory by the way: and this leaves flaws and where these flaws are is where things like time slips and hauntings can appear. But most of the time these things do not happen because there is a cloaking mechanism which covers these points up which are probably everywhere. These points are shown to be cloaked by how things like ghosts disappear and time slips erase photos and evidence. Of course this theory only makes sense if you read the full paper which is available from academic.edu
However ghosts have been shown to even think: some do many people believe, and this is because much of thought if physical and is the brain and as the cloaking mechanism drawn on things around is to cover it up then usually it works well but when it doesn't then strange things occur. The reason your father does not remember MAY be because he has had his memory erased by the cloaking mechanism, something I have been trying to prove and have suspected. Of course there may be other explanations but I would most appreciate it is you contacted my through my site because this helps to make my theory more complete.

a reply to: JackHill

A fine, but typical case from that period when abductions frequently were of that type. They later shifted to nighttime bedside abductions/visitations. That seems a logical progression as that method would cause few problems with time, location and exact, waking memories.

I had a time-loss of about two hours in 1964 which was about the time of the famous Barney and Betty Hill case. Memory blanking is an important part of the deal. As I mentioned, if the abduction is done at night, there are few clues that will allow the abductee to remember if it even happen or was a horrific nightmare. In my case, I had know that I had seen a UFO that night as I was driving home. UFOs had long been a favorite topic of mine. But it was a full ten years later before I could piece it all together, retrace my actions that night and fully understand what had transpired.

You might reminisce about your father's philosophy of life and views. Some of us eventually emerge with drastic changes from what we were before the incident. Personally, I don't think the tinkering stops with the abductee because it seems to me that the typical "medical exam" that many abductees report is only the cover story. My belief is that DNA manipulation was done and the progeny of abductees come forth with totally new views about what the human race is supposed to be striving for versus old, conventional views in regard to about everything.

a reply to: Aliensun

Although I have not written about this I think that some UFO cases are a case of an END OF REALITY POINT badly cloaked and also the reason I believe that it is crucial that my theory gets known about and I research it further is that I believe that by using these points(probably with a combination of occultism and a large physical force) that this is how many ufo's aliens come through which means that hopefully we could reach a state where we could use these points for travel. But a lot more needs doing in terms of research with this theory yet and I mainly want researchers to read the paper and to bear it in mind when they research things so that we can use this to crack this element of the universe and also in time as I said before hopefully someone will technologise it.

Great thread, validation for your interests. You may be part of a generational ET experiment.

Suggestion:

Let Dad leave his experience in the past, talk about it for sure as it may open other memories for him and be kind of entertaining to boot, good bonding time for certain yet leave hypnosis out of it as false memories or implants can muddy the experience and just leave more questions than answers.

Most importantly have fun with your Father, look always to the positive.

a reply to: JackHill

Perhaps your Dad could participate in regressive hypnosis. You may know this, but if not, it seems to be a trend in a lot of abduction cases, that family members are often involved as well. Through many lines.

a reply to: simro

I disagree with your premise in that that is how these UFOs and abductions take place. I don't see the need for a special operation to cause the event. Very much like I see no need for the endless chatter about "worm holes" when a means of anti-mass (anti-gravity) is a very understandable concept by which to nicely traverse the local galaxy.

To both ends, mine and yours, UFOs themselves display a quite unique flair for seemingly to operate without outside conditons. So any theories need to not ever advance beyond that. Some will howl, but that is using Sagan's old Occam's razor argument in its best form.

a reply to: antar

You are right hypnosis isn't reliable in terms of finding out what occurred, its ok for some things. But what he remembers is important and with other information it could be very precious indeed. Its the way he was walking which is interesting because when people have time slips many people either turn back or keep travelling: at least most of the ones we hear about. It would be interesting to try and check if anyone else had any strange experiences one the same spot: although many end of reality points don't exist in a particular point for long: there being four dimensions including time for them to be in.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: JackHill

A fine, but typical case from that period when abductions frequently were of that type. They later shifted to nighttime bedside abductions/visitations. That seems a logical progression as that method would cause few problems with time, location and exact, waking memories.

I had a time-loss of about two hours in 1964 which was about the time of the famous Barney and Betty Hill case. Memory blanking is an important part of the deal. As I mentioned, if the abduction is done at night, there are few clues that will allow the abductee to remember if it even happen or was a horrific nightmare. In my case, I had know that I had seen a UFO that night as I was driving home. UFOs had long been a favorite topic of mine. But it was a full ten years later before I could piece it all together, retrace my actions that night and fully understand what had transpired.

You might reminisce about your father's philosophy of life and views. Some of us eventually emerge with drastic changes from what we were before the incident. Personally, I don't think the tinkering stops with the abductee because it seems to me that the typical "medical exam" that many abductees report is only the cover story. My belief is that DNA manipulation was done and the progeny of abductees come forth with totally new views about what the human race is supposed to be striving for versus old, conventional views in regard to about everything.

Thanks for your inputs Aliensun. I'm pretty sure that whatever my father and his friend experienced was real and physical. There you have two young guys, that were completely sober at the time, and suddenly just lost track of time and space, and 'appeared' miles away without no recollection of what happened. According to Google Maps, you should lose like 3:30 hs in about 10 miles on foot, whatever happened to them, it took them around 3 additionals hours. That's certainly completely unexplainable and considering what we already know about 'alien abduction' scenarios, I cannot imagine what kind of memories could arise regarding 3 hours of time loss. Scary to ever think about it.

In any case, my dad don't have any traumatic feelings associated to the event, neither his friend appeared to have at the time, just the complete oddity regarding the event, the confusion. I asked him about physical effects he could note the day after, but he cannot remember any particular.

originally posted by: donktheclown
a reply to: JackHill

Perhaps your Dad could participate in regressive hypnosis. You may know this, but if not, it seems to be a trend in a lot of abduction cases, that family members are often involved as well. Through many lines.

Yes I'm completely aware on the generational factor on the abduction 'lore'. I was always interested in the UFO field, but besides that personally I don't have any recollection of any rare events happening to myself.

I don't doubt the account.
I have had a missing time experience, with a friend, where we ended up several miles behind a point we had already passed. A couple of hours and about 15 miles were just gone.
There is no making sense of it.

originally posted by: skunkape23
I don't doubt the account.
I have had a missing time experience, with a friend, where we ended up several miles behind a point we had already passed. A couple of hours and about 15 miles were just gone.
There is no making sense of it.

I've had a missing time occurrence myself,however it wasn't as strange as yours(didn't go far),I was taking out the trash at 3:05 am(I remember the exact time because I checked my phone as I was going out the door and this was only 2 months ago)and I went to the side yard of my house to throw a bag of trash into the garbage container and I had this feeling like I should look at the sky,so I did and there was a bright neon green flash(think original xbox green)that looked like it covered the whole sky for less than a second,I thought that was kind of weird and went back inside after seeing it,when I look at my phone after I go inside it said the time was 4:56.I wonder what causes these strange missing time events to happen.

originally posted by: skunkape23
I don't doubt the account.
I have had a missing time experience, with a friend, where we ended up several miles behind a point we had already passed. A couple of hours and about 15 miles were just gone.
There is no making sense of it.

I would love to hear the whole experience, if you find some time.

I won't waste any time to making up a story like this one, so I appreciate not doubting, this first-hand account only confirm what I always strongly suspected, that there's indeed people who had similar experiences all over the world, at it clearly involves 'something' that is able to erase with a high level of effectiveness entire conscious memories. And it obviously had been happening from a long time now.

You can only guess what the goal is, it's clear that the intelligence behind want to mantain it as secretive as possible, leaving us with doubts and confusion, never the clear picture. I personally don't trust whoever acts like that. That's why I always mantained a position of high criticism to whoever is doing it. I simply don't trust them. I believe they have their agenda and they just need us to achieve their goals, and period. I don't believe they really care at all about us. And it's obvious to me that the silence and the negative of the powerful governments it only reinforces the idea they know pretty well what's going on, and for whatever reason won't share a thing with the population.

Strange world we live in, huh? Thankfully, I was kind of prepared because I already knew about the subject. But it's just I wouldn't expect this also happened to somebody withing my close family circle. Kind of shocking, I guess.

originally posted by: VashTheStampede

originally posted by: skunkape23
I don't doubt the account.
I have had a missing time experience, with a friend, where we ended up several miles behind a point we had already passed. A couple of hours and about 15 miles were just gone.
There is no making sense of it.

I've had a missing time occurrence myself,however it wasn't as strange as yours(didn't go far),I was taking out the trash at 3:05 am(I remember the exact time because I checked my phone as I was going out the door and this was only 2 months ago)and I went to the side yard of my house to throw a bag of trash into the garbage container and I had this feeling like I should look at the sky,so I did and there was a bright neon green flash(think original xbox green)that looked like it covered the whole sky for less than a second,I thought that was kind of weird and went back inside after seeing it,when I look at my phone after I go inside it said the time was 4:56.I wonder what causes these strange missing time events to happen.

It seems according to the research made since several decades now, that the missing time is pushed into the victims minds to forget what really happened. And it usually involves some sort of contact/abduction scenario. As fantastic it must sound, the research clearly points to that, and it reached epidemic levels, to say at least.

The operation is really massive, in scale and time. Whatever had been happening, must be really really huge. Who knows, maybe those 'abductees' claiming things like entire rows filled with fetuses aboard 'ships' are giving us a concrete example of what it's all about, or at least one of their primary objectives.

Maybe it's like Aliensun told, it involves some sort of generational ADN 'upgrade', maybe there's even more. Stranger than fiction, no doubt.

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: VashTheStampede

originally posted by: skunkape23
I don't doubt the account.
I have had a missing time experience, with a friend, where we ended up several miles behind a point we had already passed. A couple of hours and about 15 miles were just gone.
There is no making sense of it.

I've had a missing time occurrence myself,however it wasn't as strange as yours(didn't go far),I was taking out the trash at 3:05 am(I remember the exact time because I checked my phone as I was going out the door and this was only 2 months ago)and I went to the side yard of my house to throw a bag of trash into the garbage container and I had this feeling like I should look at the sky,so I did and there was a bright neon green flash(think original xbox green)that looked like it covered the whole sky for less than a second,I thought that was kind of weird and went back inside after seeing it,when I look at my phone after I go inside it said the time was 4:56.I wonder what causes these strange missing time events to happen.

It seems according to the research made since several decades now, that the missing time is pushed into the victims minds to forget what really happened. And it usually involves some sort of contact/abduction scenario. As fantastic it must sound, the research clearly points to that, and it reached epidemic levels, to say at least.

The operation is really massive, in scale and time. Whatever had been happening, must be really really huge. Who knows, maybe those 'abductees' claiming things like entire rows filled with fetuses aboard 'ships' are giving us a concrete example of what it's all about, or at least one of their primary objectives.

Maybe it's like Aliensun told, it involves some sort of generational ADN 'upgrade', maybe there's even more. Stranger than fiction, no doubt.

You are to quick to assume it is Aliens,I think it more likely that it is the mind being put in autopilot or going through some sort of refresh,or maybe it has something to do with the fluoride in our drinking water.

a reply to: JackHill

Good post.. At the chance of having people ridicule me. I wanna get your opinion on my "encounters"/sighting, if you will. Its a little long tho. Maybe five or 6 years ago I was walking home one night and was not far from my house and I looked up to the sky for no reason and saw a white light slowly traveling. I was kind of into the ufo topic but didn't read about it or anything like that. I thought It was weird cuz it wasn't blinking which they usually did in that area. All of a sudden the light literally turned into a white line of light. The object just hyper jumped into nothingness and left behind a long trail of white light that disappeared a mili second after. From my perspective, I looked like the white light transformed into a very long line, it was so fast that a difference from the light and the line it left couldn't be seen. After some years, around two years ago I started jokingly wondering if I had some sort of contact. Right around this time I was thinking this, I believe it was around this time, I walked outside my house now in a different location and right after I got outside I looked to the sky again for no reason and right where I looked to the sky a blueish white sphere of light appeared from thin air. Less then half a football field away, the orb looked to have been already moving before it showed itself and was going around 10 mph maybe. It traveled for 20 or 30 feet and blinked right out. After this I knew someone happened or was going on or something, I didn't know tho. Ok now this is where it gets crazy but il say as best as I can. I believe after this sighting or around this time, believing I was chosen as a worker for good lol, I started going through the most insane thing I'll ever experience the rest of my life (and still experience). I started going through extreme psychological changes, my entire perception of reality was gone and I didn't know what life really was anymore. I'm not exaggerating and I'm still like this today, a forever changed person from the stupid and "nothing to lose" person I was before, tho I can now coup with it. I just remember after this sighting, I was mentally immobile and my understanding of what I thought reality was, was turned upside down on my head. After not knowing what happened to me some of the many things that this change caused in me is, when I made it outside my eyes couldn't handle light at all (but I did stay inside very long), the same culture I kind of used to be apart would deeply disturb me and kind of scare me, when I was able to go the the gas station I felt like I could know what people inside the store meant behind things they said to each other and that I could know what people felt behind their words. I still feel like this, but I not only now feel I'm out of place in society now, i know I am. I feel to aware of reality and my existence and sometimes have to try very hard to act normal and talk about normal things. I felt the most alone feeling that Ive now gone to a state of mind no one else is in and this really messed with me because I became convinced that most people I talked to, at least heard talking, were delusional in that they didn't understand or see life that way it really is. Then I questioned maybe it was just me that had an altered perception and peoples where normal but just that the average persons weren't anything to cause them life pondering questions. I would look at this like I never saw them before, my own hand or looking at a sunset I would wish I could give people the perception of what I saw when looking at anything and everything.

I also experience good feeling much stronger, as well as the opposite. Psychedelic drug use can also completely destroy ones view of themselves and reality, in either good or bad ways. It's widely known that they can "expand" your mind, past anti war movements/free love and peace etc, make you sensitive and give you a higher understanding of life. But they can also dissolve ones ego, where I've read people will feel as they've lost there personality etc, similar to what I've felt. Ok, now I used mushrooms once years ago and I noticed I started thinking about weirdly abstract ideals and suddenly became a lot more sensitive and liked talking about the truth, in whatever form it comes in. As a side note I just want to state that many people in cultures that use a certain psychedelic as religious practice for spiritual enlightenment, they say, and people report that when under its influence you literally are contacted by a spirit that guides you in understanding yourself and gives you knowledge for bettering yourself. Anyway, what's messed up is that also around the time of my sighting I believe, Im pretty sure I unknowingly smoked weed that had a chemical in it that could have altered my mind negatively. However this lead to my, I believe, better understanding that ended up helping me and changing myself. Now It gets even more weird. I wasn't sure what it was that effected me, but then I had a hand full of dreams with ufos and one with an alien in it. One ufo dream was scary and it was coming for me I was running, but another dream was one of those that you didn't want to wake up from because of how much serenity there was. I was looking at several colorful ufos just dance in the sky and It gave me an amazing feeling. Then my alien dream, I was moving across grass fields in the sky right above the ground in an object I was standing in, but I couldn't see anything around me or holding me. Then I knew I was with someone, but I wasn't looking in their direction for some reason. And then the dream skipped to the image of the top half of a greenish blue aliens face with not almond, but oval shaped black eyes. It wasn't a scary dream or a very amazing dream, it was kind of neutral but leaned more toward good then bad.

a reply to: Aliensun

I just posted this to the op for just some thoughts, but I'd like to also get your opinion on my sighting/"encounter", if you will. Its a little long tho. 5 or 6 years ago I was walking home one night and was not far from my house and I looked up to the sky for no reason and saw a white light slowly traveling. I was kind of into the ufo topic but didn't read about it or anything like that. I thought It was weird cuz it wasn't blinking which they usually did in that area, and all of a sudden the light literally turned into a white line of light. The object just hyper jumped into nothingness and left behind a long trail of white light that disappeared a mili second after. From my perspective, It looked like the white light transformed into a very long line, it was so fast that a difference from the light and the line it left couldn't be seen. After some years, around two years ago I started jokingly wondering if I had some sort of contact or that I was made to purposely look and see what I did. Right around this time I was thinking this, I believe it was around this specific time, I walked outside my house now in a different location, and right after I got outside I looked to the sky again for no reason and right where I looked to the sky a blueish white sphere of light appeared from thin air. Less then half a football field away, the orb looked to have been already moving before it showed itself and was going around 10 mph maybe. It traveled for 20 or 30 feet and blinked right out. After this I knew someone happened or was going on or something, I didn't know tho. Ok now this is where it gets crazy but il say as best as I can. I believe after this sighting or around this time, believing I was chosen as a worker for good lol, I started going through the most insane thing I'll ever experience the rest of my life (and still experience). I started going through extreme psychological changes, my entire perception of reality was gone and I didn't know what life really was anymore. I'm not exaggerating and I'm still like this today, a forever changed person from the stupid and "nothing to lose" person I was before, tho I can now coup with it. I just remember after this sighting, I was mentally immobile and my understanding of what I thought reality was, was turned upside down on my head. After not knowing what happened to me some of the many things that this change caused in me is, when I made it outside my eyes couldn't handle light at all (but I did stay inside very long), the same culture I kind of used to be apart would deeply disturb me and kind of scare me, when I was able to go the the gas station I felt like I could know what people inside the store meant behind things they said to each other and that I could know what people felt behind their words. I still feel like this, but I not only now feel I'm out of place in society now, i know I am. I feel to aware of reality and my existence and sometimes have to try very hard to act normal and talk about normal things. I felt the most alone feeling that Ive now gone to a state of mind no one else is in and this really messed with me because I became convinced that most people I talked to, at least heard talking, were delusional in that they didn't understand or see life that way it really is. Then I questioned maybe it was just me that had an altered perception and peoples where normal but just that the average persons weren't anything to cause them life pondering questions. I would look at this like I never saw them before, my own hand or looking at a sunset I would wish I could give people the perception of what I saw when looking at anything and everything.

I also experience good feeling much stronger, as well as the opposite. Psychedelic drug use can also completely destroy ones view of themselves and reality, in either good or bad ways. It's widely known that they can "expand" your mind, past anti war movements/free love and peace etc, make you sensitive and give you a higher understanding of life. But they can also dissolve ones ego, where I've read people will feel as they've lost there personality etc, similar to what I've felt. Ok, now I used mushrooms once years ago and I noticed I started thinking about weirdly abstract ideals and suddenly became a lot more sensitive and liked talking about the truth, in whatever form it comes in. As a side note I just want to state that many people in cultures that use a certain psychedelic as religious practice for spiritual enlightenment, they say, and people report that when under its influence you literally are contacted by a spirit that guides you in understanding yourself and gives you knowledge for bettering yourself. Anyway, what's messed up is that also around the time of my sighting I believe, Im pretty sure I unknowingly smoked weed that had a chemical in it that could have altered my mind negatively. However this lead to my, I believe, better understanding that ended up helping me and changing myself. Now It gets even more weird. I wasn't sure what it was that effected me, but then I had a hand full of dreams with ufos and one with an alien in it. One ufo dream was scary and it was coming for me I was running, but another dream was one of those that you didn't want to wake up from because of how much serenity there was. I was looking at several colorful ufos just dance in the sky and It gave me an amazing feeling. Then my alien dream, I was moving across grass fields in the sky right above the ground in an object I was standing in, but I couldn't see anything around me or holding me. Then I knew I was with someone, but I wasn't looking in their direction for some reason. And then the dream skipped to the image of the top half of a greenish blue aliens face with not almond, but oval shaped black eyes. It wasn't a scary dream or a very amazing dream, it was kind of neutral but leaned more toward good then bad.

originally posted by: VashTheStampede

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: VashTheStampede

originally posted by: skunkape23
I don't doubt the account.
I have had a missing time experience, with a friend, where we ended up several miles behind a point we had already passed. A couple of hours and about 15 miles were just gone.
There is no making sense of it.

I've had a missing time occurrence myself,however it wasn't as strange as yours(didn't go far),I was taking out the trash at 3:05 am(I remember the exact time because I checked my phone as I was going out the door and this was only 2 months ago)and I went to the side yard of my house to throw a bag of trash into the garbage container and I had this feeling like I should look at the sky,so I did and there was a bright neon green flash(think original xbox green)that looked like it covered the whole sky for less than a second,I thought that was kind of weird and went back inside after seeing it,when I look at my phone after I go inside it said the time was 4:56.I wonder what causes these strange missing time events to happen.

It seems according to the research made since several decades now, that the missing time is pushed into the victims minds to forget what really happened. And it usually involves some sort of contact/abduction scenario. As fantastic it must sound, the research clearly points to that, and it reached epidemic levels, to say at least.

The operation is really massive, in scale and time. Whatever had been happening, must be really really huge. Who knows, maybe those 'abductees' claiming things like entire rows filled with fetuses aboard 'ships' are giving us a concrete example of what it's all about, or at least one of their primary objectives.

Maybe it's like Aliensun told, it involves some sort of generational ADN 'upgrade', maybe there's even more. Stranger than fiction, no doubt.

You are to quick to assume it is Aliens,I think it more likely that it is the mind being put in autopilot or going through some sort of refresh,or maybe it has something to do with the fluoride in our drinking water.

Yeah well, that's the beauty of it, right? In the majority of the cases, experiencers just remember as much as some sort of light in the sky, and that's basically it. The problem wasn't the 'light', but the fact that an average of 1-2 hs were completely lost. Sure, if you're alone out there, you could blame it to mind tricks, you just were distracted, and so on.

But, what about the cases involving more than a person? Not so easy to explain, right? Well, this is precisely the case I'm talking about here, and what drove me to post it in first place: we have TWO witnesses experiencing the same missing time, together. And not only they 'forgot' what happened on the road, but they LOST 3 HOURS.

Well no, not 'mind put on autopilot' here. This clearly involves an external factor causing the situation. And, like it has been extensively researched, it usually could be blamed to non-human, intelligent beings using highly advanced, unknown, technologies. Can we prove that my dad's experience was caused by 'aliens'? No, we cannot. So just give me your alternative explanations, that would make sense of it.

a reply to: JackHill

Interesting story, and no worries on the language; you relayed it just fine! I would recommend real caution when it comes to hypnosis. The mind wants to please the person asking questions, and people can invent details that weren't there, if they truly don't remember. He could end up with false memories, quite easily.