Atheists object to Christmas toy drive on Air Force base – and win

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: StoutBroux

Religious influence or no religious influence - who bloody cares as long as poor kids get some friggin toys for Christmas?

Then call it something that is not specific to one religion.

The two sides recently clashed over a letter from 66 House Republicans urging Defense Secretary Leon Panetta to investigate the USAF's growing "hostility toward religious freedom" under guidelines set last September by USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz. www.huffingtonpost.com...

a reply to: Annee

"If its only about giving needy children toys - - - then it doesn't need to be labeled with a Specific Faith."

Businesses attached their names.
Sectors of government attach their names.
TV/Radio stations attach their names.

And it's done not just at Christmas. There are toy and food drives several times a year.
But, if the word 'Christmas' is in the title of the drive, does it make it unworthy?

We got to outgrow our hatreds for people who don't agree with us on every little thing. We are a species of over 8 billion and each is as unique as their fingerprints. We are not robots.

Tolerance is preached. Tolerance is not practiced. The word that follows is, hypocrisy.

a reply to: Annee

I'm as anti-Church/Christian as the next average person but seriously - it's TOYS FOR KIDS for crying out loud. So bloody what if they want to pretend it's about Christianity or God or whatever.

The end result is the same - poor kids getting something for bloody Christmas.

originally posted by: Kryties

Can't people put aside their beliefs for 2 minutes so that some underprivileged children can have something for Christmas?

The Air Force has a "religious" problem:

The US Air Force has told a sergeant he will have to leave the military unless he agrees to take an oath with the phrase "so help me God," officials said Tuesday.

The above has been legally corrected.

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: Annee

I'm as anti-Church/Christian as the next average person but seriously - it's TOYS FOR KIDS for crying out loud. So bloody what if they want to pretend it's about Christianity or God or whatever.

The end result is the same - poor kids getting something for bloody Christmas.

Then call it "TOYS FOR KIDS".

Maybe some kid that isn't Christian deserves a toy.

originally posted by: Annee

The Air Force has a "religious" problem:

Yeah, OK. I'm not denying that.

But what has that got to do with helping put toys into the hands of underprivileged children?

This is, ultimately, about the children in this case, in case some people are confused.

Christmas as little to do with spirituality these days. Whats the clamor. Its commercial-mas.

Buying toys we don't want for people we don't know on a special day….

consume, spend, obey…

originally posted by: redoubt
. . if the word 'Christmas' is in the title of the drive, does it make it unworthy?

It makes it a problem.

Especially since its the Air Force.

a reply to: Annee

"Maybe some kid that isn't Christian deserves a toy."

Are you assuming that nonChristian children do NOT receive toys from these drives?

originally posted by: Annee

Maybe some kid that isn't Christian deserves a toy.

Where does it say that some of these toys AREN'T going to kids who aren't Christian? From what I've read it says nothing of the sort.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: Annee

The Air Force has a "religious" problem:

Yeah, OK. I'm not denying that.

But what has that got to do with helping put toys into the hands of underprivileged children?

This is, ultimately, about the children in this case, in case some people are confused.

Marines have been doing it a long time without a specific faith.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: Annee

Maybe some kid that isn't Christian deserves a toy.

Where does it say that some of these toys AREN'T going to kids who aren't Christian? From what I've read it says nothing of the sort.

CHRISTMAS

originally posted by: Annee

Marines have been doing it a long time without a specific faith.

Good for them. I'll send them a cookie.

I'm still waiting to hear why you think this particular case is denying non-religious children the toys?

originally posted by: redoubt
a reply to: Annee

"Maybe some kid that isn't Christian deserves a toy."

Are you assuming that nonChristian children do NOT receive toys from these drives?

Christmas is specific to one faith.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: Annee

Marines have been doing it a long time without a specific faith.

Good for them. I'll send them a cookie.

I'm still waiting to hear why you think this particular case is denying non-religious children the toys?

It is exclusive to one thing - - one faith.

Don't both re-asking the same question.

originally posted by: Annee

CHRISTMAS

People who aren't Christian still celebrate Christmas - I do, as does my family, all our friends and relatives - yet none of us or them are Christians.

Please answer the question as to how THIS PARTICULAR CASE is SPECIFICALLY denying non-Christian children some of the toys they collect?

originally posted by: Annee

It is exclusive to one thing - - one faith.

Don't both re-asking the same question.

You're deliberately avoiding answering the question properly. Why is that?

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Taking Christ out of Christmas toys......
Toys for tots is a Christmas toy drive to.

But it isn't based on any religion.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: Annee

I'm as anti-Church/Christian as the next average person but seriously - it's TOYS FOR KIDS for crying out loud. So bloody what if they want to pretend it's about Christianity or God or whatever.

The end result is the same - poor kids getting something for bloody Christmas.

Maybe some kid that isn't Christian deserves a toy.

Maybe...as long as his name isnt..Christian?

It was the message they were going to give with the toys that is the problem.
Give kids toys to remind them it's only Jesus that owns christmas.....
I say let all religions compete to give the best toys to the kids and the best toy givers get to have that child to be brainwashed into their club.
If religion was the answer there wouldn't be any kids in need anyhow.
Sod the toys sort out the problem of needy kids instead of putting your energy into BS.