High School Football Coach to Defy School District Order to not Pray after Game

a reply to: dawnstar

celebrating a religion or group on gov. property is not a violation of church and state.

now denying a religion or group the opportunity to celebrate on gov. property would be a violation of separation of church and state.

you muddy the waters much on the point I made that there are limits on how far a lunatic can take the separating of church and state. if taken to extremes then we would end up with an all atheist gov....

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So your saying that if this coach was a muslim and he started praying after the game youd be all over defending him right.

And whos the hypocrite here.

Damn those commie loving muslim lol.

Thanks for the laughs

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So your saying that if this coach was a muslim and he started praying after the game youd be all over defending him right.

And whos the hypocrite here.

Damn those commie loving muslim lol.

Thanks for the laughs

It does not really matter what religion the coach is or if he is lgbthsdkfhjde.

It matters that the kids are majority prayers. and that praying before or after the game is normal and the few that are not should have the choice to ignore it or have their own minute or two to pray or whatever gets them spiritually filled.

originally posted by: intrptr

Is that it, he called only those that want to pray everyone else can go, or gathered all together and said, let us pray?

No. The way it started, back in 2008, was that he walked alone to the 50 yard line. Subsequent to that some players asked if they could join him and he consented. It then became a regular thing at the end of each game. It was the players who initiated the issue by asking if they could join him. He did not "gather them all together," knowing it had to be voluntary. Many players went to the locker room and did not participate during all these 'sessions,' so I don't really think you can make a case that they were "compelled" to join in since so many did not.

The issue of the pre-game locker room is a little more fuzzy. At some point some time ago (I don't know when) he was told that such a practice was coercive, so he stopped doing it. I don't know the sequence of events here, such as if he stopped the locker room and figured, well, but I CAN do this, or whether it was concurrent. You'd have to go back to the articles, and this paper, the Kitsap Sun, uses a paywall, though some articles remain "open" for a few hours before they get locked up. The Seattle Times, cited by the OP, only recently got wind of this. They usually ignore Kitsap County, which is across Puget Sound from Seattle proper, an hour by ferry boat or drive 60 miles through Tacoma.

When he was told this was against school policy a few weeks ago, he claimed he did not know that it was and stopped doing it. (I find this a bit disingenuous, myself.) The paper was full of "Will he or won't he?" articles prior to the next game when he professed he did not know what he was going to do. Well, he did not and, frankly, I thought the issue was over and that he had conceded. It wasn't until mid-week last that the issue started up again.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Oh so you get to pick Who gets to pray, thats funny.

Is god a packers or a cowboys fan lol.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: CB328

So you want to force people to express themselves in designated areas of your choosing?

No. He wants to religion out of public schools, and keep teachers from pushing their beliefs onto students.

I see. So you aren't for letting a person pray. Got it.

Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Aren't people who are saying they are following the bible supposed to do what the bible says?

I don't dictate how a person should adhere to their religion. Or any belief. But again, I'm for freedom. I didn't realize that was such a negative thing here.

You are not as much for freedom as you claim. It is clearly against the constitution for a government funded organization which a public school is to promote religion. So you are clearly against the freedoms that the constitution gives us by saying it is ok for the coach to force his religion on others.

Show me where he is forcing religion.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

Keep your religion at home.

when ever I see that I have to shake my head and wonder what else you'd want people to keep at home. They can't march in a gay pride parade next?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Nope, behing gay is not some super natural magic, so plz stop it with your terrible analogies.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
I guess it would only be a problem if he forced others to join in?

Good question. Maybe I should show up with my Cthulhu statue and see what happens.

As a Christian,that would be awesome.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: DBCowboy

Nope, behing gay is not some super natural magic, so plz stop it with your terrible analogies.

I don't see a difference. THEY don't think it's magic. THEY think it's real. But you want to dictate the validity of what they think and WHERE they can express it.

a reply to: deadeyedick

celebrating a religion or group on gov. property is not a violation of church and state.

that depends, does your celebration leave some groups out or refuses them the same right to celebrate theirs? does it try to coerce those who don't wish to participate to pretend they are something they are not? the fact that you keep bringing up the fact that we are majority christian is what is making me think that you think that the minority should just suck if up and tolerate it, bend like a willow branch in the wind if necessary. the minority has the same rights as you do when it comes to religion, even if there is only one or two in the whole danged school believing that way.

you muddy the waters much on the point I made that there are limits on how far a lunatic can take the separating of church and state. if taken to extremes then we would end up with an all atheist gov....

well the opposite could also be said, blend the two together and we could possibly end up with the gov't telling the churches what their doctrines are!
ya know, it's funny really, most of the people holding office proclaim they are christians.... they seem not to have that much trouble separating their duties to their jobs from their duties to their god. I imagine many of them before they go vote on a bill might just spend a few moments in their office and have a chat with their god asking him for guidance without any problem whatsoever with it. but when they come onto the floor, and debate the issues, how often do you hear the word God spoken as a justification for their views? I doubt if it's often because someone's religious views, in and of themselves can't hold any ground in the gov't....
religion serves as a personal matter geared to guide people in their personal lives.....
there is nothing personal about gov't, it governs people hopefully in a way that best serves the group as a whole, while not depriving the minorities of that groups their basic rights! ]
the majorities rights, even the religious ones cannot be allowed to trample on the rights of the minorities.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." Galatians 5:22-23.

Ya know, I read somewhere that the reason that the ancient romens went after the christians so much was because the christians were very much liked by the roman people. they let the fruits of the spirit grow in them allowed them to flow from them, and well the people respected them, liked them because they saw something special...

it's the christians who supposed to be the light in the world of darkness, gentle, long suffering, kind and loving....
and not sending young first graders out into the hallway because they don't want to pray to your god, trying to get them to conform to your wishes!

i'd fire anyone who inflicted their religious claptrap on impressionable youngsters under their supposed educational care. all religion is fantasy.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Behing gay is a natural thing, believing in a god is not, whats your point again.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

just out of curiousity, what makes you think that believing in a god is not natural? it seems to have a history that goes back to the cavemen! a way to explain the unexplainable.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: DBCowboy

Behing gay is a natural thing, believing in a god is not, whats your point again.

I'm glad you and the others that are so terrified and thin skinned about religion aren't in charge. It would be. . .fascist. the religious people think it is natural. But you want to dictate your opinion over theirs.

I guess allowing people to believe what they want is pretty foreign to many of you.

So, according to the article, the coach preys at the 50 yd line at the end of a game. He does not require anyone else to participate.

It seems to me that it is within his rights in a free country to do that.

If he required his players or anyone else to prey that would violate others rights.

No where does the constitution guarantee that you won't see someone else practice their religion.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Again your making stuff up as it goes, whos afraid, religion has no other place than at home and church of where ever people get together to pretend the man in the sky is helping them.

a reply to: dawnstar

We have proof that nature does its thing, no proof that a god exist.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: DBCowboy

Again your making stuff up as it goes, whos afraid, religion has no other place than at home and church of where ever people get together to pretend the man in the sky is helping them.

So you want to dictate where someone can express themselves.

I get it. You and others here don't like freedom. Nothing to be ashamed about.