“Abducting Women” and “Destroying Churches” is “Real Islam”—Iraqi Grand Ayatollah

originally posted by: Isurrender73

The Quran does not permit aggression, only self defense. Allah does not need men to fight his battles. Allah is capable of destroying mankind without the assistant of human soldiers.

It may take a generation or two for them to heal and return to the peaceful religion found in the Quran, but it will happen.

Yes, as I was reading elsewhere about interpretation.

You can't take ancient script literally and apply it to the modern world. You can't do it with the bible. You can't do it with the Quran.

We've seen/read about the tribalism still existing in some parts of the Middle East. They can't even come together in their own country with a tribalism conquering mentality.

Modern Muslims are like anyone else. They are not gonna go tribal on your ass and force you to accept their religious belief.

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: tony9802

There you have it from the horse's mouth.

He's one guy.

He doesn't represent all Muslims anymore then Bryan Fischer represents all Christians.

So, is he a liar who is entirely misrepresenting mohammadanism? At who's behest?

What part of his statement is inconsistent with your understanding?

Is he partially correct?

He's a religious radical.

They come in ALL "Flavors".

I don't think it matters if these people view of "true" islam is correct or not. They are not gonna sit on a philosophical debate about that any time soon, they'll just go and act on that, correct or not.
Every leader from the muslim world, now and in the past are advancing the same ideas, calling their people to the same actions. We see it again and again and yet some people still find them excuses or prefer to ignore it. It feels like living in a surreal dream.

I am yet to see one muslim leader calling their followers to peace, freedom and respect for other religions and nations. One.

Martial military exploits and conquering people is just what the medieval Christians did all over the globe and thankfully the enlightenment, renaissance, and later Masonic influence, that stopped after they looted the third world with colonialism and massive slavery.

The Arab Muslims did the same thing. They have to understand as the Christians did when they stopped this that this is garbage now and won't be allowed to happen.
this pre-modern nonsense is no longer valid!


The Quran despite these primitive thinking Imams, says

THERE'S NO COMPULSION IN RELIIGON


No where in the Quran does it say to conquest, rape and force people to be Muslims.


Sure the medieval Arabs did that but they were using religion as an excuse as did the Christians as well


If any “Muslims” try that the world should unite and wipe them out like it should have done to ISIS

This is seen a lot in commentary talking points, if one of the group does it they all do- X group ___insert demeaning term__ are all the same-. That couldn't be father from the truth but no one wants cares about that unless it's personal to them.

originally posted by: Kemal
a reply to: Shamrock6

Since when does the Shia sect represent "true" Islam...

Luckily, there are only 163 million of those Shia... according to a Sunni website.
I suppose that if a Shiite would say that they are the only 'true Islam', why wouldn't a Sunni claim the same title?

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I have posted this before but I still say it's true.

There are two types of muslims.
Extremist and moderate.

Extremist muslims want to kill all non muslims.

Moderate muslims want extremist muslims to kill all non muslims.

Basic and direct but the polls agree with this assessment.

a reply to: butcherguy

Perhaps because despise the tribal rivalries, they still follow and worship the same religion including the same teachings.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I have posted this before but I still say it's true.

There are two types of muslims.
Extremist and moderate.

Extremist muslims want to kill all non muslims.

Moderate muslims want extremist muslims to kill all non muslims.

Basic and direct but the polls agree with this assessment.

Only had a few interactions with Muslims myself. Currently work with two. Worked with another at another place. One commonality besides all three being smoking hot was that as they got more comfortable with me and opened up all three complained about how strict their husbands were. One was pretty paranoid about it.

If I didn't think there would be a lot of honor killings as a result of it , dare I say a good women's rights movement in the Muslim community might do some good. Who knows.

originally posted by: whyamIhere
Yes,

There is going to be a big war.

Soon

Prepare physically, spiritually, and emotionally..all the best to you..

Religion has always been used as a moral cloak for people to justify their agendas and greed. You can get a great many more people fighting for you if you convince them it's 'God's will.' Christianity did it, The Japanese did it, Islam and Judaism is doing it now. These views are no more representative of Muslims than Westboro Baptist Church is of Christianity. By seeding distrust and enmity between non-Muslims and Muslims is part of their battle plan.

this guy is usually a rabid anti-christian but boy oh boy, he no like islam. is he right? are we already dhimmis? who made that choice for us?

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Sadly every time a Muslim women raises up in a muslim country they are either incarcerated, stone and killed. Lately is been more and more Muslim women in the middle east that are taking a stand even when the repercussions affect them for life.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

If I didn't think there would be a lot of honor killings as a result of it , dare I say a good women's rights movement in the Muslim community might do some good. Who knows.

There are Women's Rights groups in the Middle East and other Muslim communities.

Unfortunately, many religious women (all faiths) still believe God made woman to serve man.

Women need the support of other women to fight for Equal Rights. Instead they get opposition.

a reply to: infolurker

Post that poll please, if it is the one I am thinking about it hardly supports what you are saying.

OP I see that your other thread got 404'd from last night so guess you had to get abother one in huh.

At least you are not using Geller this time.

a reply to: Annee

That is true, sadly in most middle eastern nations women are to be marry in arranged marriages by their family, they have no other choices as even their fathers have the right to kill them if they refuse.

Is hard to change when traditions are so embedded in the minds of girls from birth

a reply to: marg6043

You know there is muslim countries that have had women leaders right?

Not all the countries are stuck in those backwards ways, we just like to focus on those ones and act like they are the only ones that exist.

a reply to: Sremmos80

counterjihadreport.com...


People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
people-press.org...

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
pajamasmedia.com...
www.ynetnews.com...

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
www.worldpublicopinion.org...

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
pewglobal.org...

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
pewglobal.org...

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
pewglobal.org...

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
www.hln.be...

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
www.populuslimited.com...
www.danielpipes.org...

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
pewresearch.org...=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
www.people-press.org...

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
pewresearch.org...=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
www.scotsman.com...
www.danielpipes.org...

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
www.fosis.org.uk...
www.danielpipes.org...

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
www.icmresearch.co.uk...
www.danielpipes.org...

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
www.populuslimited.com...
www.danielpipes.org...

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
www.pewforum.org...

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
www.pewforum.org...

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
www.jihadwatch.org...

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
www.pewglobal.org...

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
comres.co.uk...

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.
www.israelnationalnews.com...

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
www.pewglobal.org...

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org...

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
www.centerforsecuritypolicy.or...

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: marg6043

You know there is muslim countries that have had women leaders right?

Not all the countries are stuck in those backwards ways, we just like to focus on those ones and act like they are the only ones that exist.

How many current?

a reply to: Sremmos80

Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.
pewresearch.org...=60

Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).
www.people-press.org...

Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
people-press.org...

al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
terrorism.about.com...

Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007
56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
www.forbes.com...

Pew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden
54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden
frontpagemag.com...
pewglobal.org...

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
www.torontosun.com...
www.macdonaldlaurier.ca...

World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law.
Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries;
(Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%)
www.worldpublicopinion.org...

ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
www.icmresearch.co.uk...
www.danielpipes.org...

World Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden:
Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings
Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer)
Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer)
Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings
Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27 percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings).
www.worldpublicopinion.org...

Pew Research (2010): 49% of Nigerian Muslims have favorable view of al-Qaeda (34% unfavorable)
23% of Indonesians have favorable view of al-Qaeda (56% unfavorable)
34% of Jordanians have favorable view of al-Qaeda
25% of Indonesians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden (59% had confidence in 2003)
1 in 5 Egyptians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden
pewglobal.org...

Pew Research (2011): 22% of Indonesians have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (21% unfavorable)
www.people-press.org...

Gallup: 51% of Pakistanis grieve Osama bin Laden (only 11% happy over death)
44% of Pakistanis viewed Osama bin Laden as a martyr (only 28% as an oulaw)
www.americanthinker.com...

Zogby International 2011: “Majorities in all six countries said they viewed the United States less favorably following the killing of the Al-Qaeda head [Osama bin Laden] in Pakistan”
www.google.com...
www.washingtonpost.com... /gIQASzHVBI_blog.html

Populus Survey: 18% of British Muslims would be proud or indifferent if a family member joined al-Qaeda.
www.populuslimited.com...
www.danielpipes.org...

Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
www.policyexchange.org.uk...
www.danielpipes.org...

Informal poll of Saudis in August 2014 shows 92% agree that Islamic State (ISIS) "conforms to the values of Islam and Islamic law."
muslimstatistics.wordpress.com...

Hurriyet Daily News / Metropoll (2015): 20% of Turks support the slaughter of Charlie Hebdo staffers and cartoonists.
www.hurriyetdailynews.com...

al-Jazeera Poll (2015): 81% of respondents support the Islamic State (ISIS).
www.breitbart.com...

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 33% of Muslim-Americans say al-Qaeda beliefs are Islamic or correct. (49% disagree),
www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org...

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 38% of Muslim-Americans say Islamic State (ISIS) beliefs are Islamic or correct. (43% disagree),
www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org...

ICM (Mirror) Poll 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
www.mirror.co.uk...

Clarion Project Study (2015): 11.5% of Arabs support ISIS, or about 42 million.
www.clarionproject.org...