Analyzing the "BUK transport" footage.

I am analyzing the "BUK transport" footage.

According to Bellingcat and the Ukrainian government, this is the actual location where the BUK was filmed.

www.bellingcat.com...





And this is a screenshot of the footage,





So before I continue I would like some input by ATS members.

Which road is the truck driving on, when looking at the pic of the supposed location?

At which side of the road is the billboard located, when looking at the screenshot?

Do you agree the vid was shot from ground level, looking at this screenshot?

It's very difficult to tell and how much of this is disinformation or distortion to cast doubt on current theories. Comparing a still photo with a still from a grainy YouTube vid is fraught with dangers! Perhaps you could post where you sourced this info?

However, I see similarities, not least in the sign, posts, trees etc...

a reply to: paraphi

It's very difficult to tell and how much of this is disinformation or distortion to cast doubt on current theories. Comparing a still photo with a still from a grainy YouTube vid is fraught with dangers!

Yet I used the exact same sources that are being used to prove that a BUK was transported across rebel held territory.

Which road is the truck driving on, when looking at the pic of the supposed location? At which side of the road is the billboard located, when looking at the screenshot? Do you agree the vid was shot from ground level, looking at this screenshot?

Since you were able to determine this,

However, I see similarities, not least in the sign, posts, trees etc...

even though that is not what I asked, you should be able to answer the questions I did ask.

Maybe I should rephrase one of the questions and ask, "what road was it definately not driving on"

However, I see similarities, not least in the sign, posts, trees etc...

Off course you do, what would be the point of faking it if you wouldn't see similarities at first glance.

a reply to: paraphi

However, I see similarities, not least in the sign, posts, trees etc...

In the screenshot you can see that there is a light pole on the right hand side of the road, billboard, and the truck. Can you point out this light pole in the pic of the supposed location?

When Crimea was lost, an anti aircraft unit joined the rebels. The unit had BUK's and of course experienced operators. I'm hearing reports that the rebels claim they don't have BUK, but that is bull#. Just saying.

Judging by the picture above and below....it was on the lower road on the picture above. You can see the same tree and brush pattern and the giant bilboard is at the same location.

a reply to: weirdguy

I am pointing out that the evidence that supposedly shows that they had a BUK, is BS.

What a coincidence that you entered this thread claiming the exact opposite, without anything to back it up, in order to cement the BS claims.

Just saying.

Yes, you are just saying it. Meaning you offer not a shred of evidence, or credibility for that matter.

a reply to: dreamfox1



Which road, 1,2,3 or 4?

And if you, or anyone else, has picked the road you think this truck was on, can you then point out the location of this pole(red arrow) in the location pic?



For starters.....

a reply to: paraphi

So, paraphi, which road was it on? Bellingcat used the exact same material to come to a conclusion, so you should be able to do so too.

Road #2 is the only one that makes sense.

I don't think #3 and #4 are actually roads... they look like paths. Much too small for equipment that size.

A Kremlin troll on photoshopping...

MH17 – Paris NO Match

a reply to: RogueWave

2&1/2.... It looks to me to be on number 2 but is taking the right hand of the y junction exiting off of 2. The 2nd pic looks like it is from ground level between 3 and 4 looking toward the Y on number 2. It is hard to be 100% but that is my 2 cents.

Yes, road 2 makes the most sense, only, none of them actually make sense.




At 1 you can see the pole, at 2 there is a road to the right.

So where is the road in the location pic?





It's not there.


The vid is taken from ground level, or just slightly above.

Look at the height of the billboard in the location pic. It is way higher than the BUK on the trailer, yet in the vid, the BUK passes behind the billboard.



www.youtube.com...

Not only that, but the billboard seems out of place in the vid, in relation to the road, it looks like it is actually suspended across the road.


To me it seems that the billboard was shopped into the vid, to make it look like it was recorded at the location where the billboard is actually located.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Yes, those Paris Match are obvious fakes just at first glance. The BUK is all blurry and the truck is normal image quality.

Please look at the billboard on the lower pick and you'll see that it is held up by a post on the corner. Now look at all the billboards in the upper screenshot and you can clearly see they are held up by posts in the centre of the billboards.
They are of differing locations.

a reply to: crayzeed

Please look at the billboard on the lower pick and you'll see that it is held up by a post on the corner.

No, that is actually a pole in the background, this is not the issue.

In this pic you can see that it has to be in the background, since it is obscured by the truck.

a reply to: RogueWave

Your evidence is piss weak ha ha. Just saying.

a reply to: weirdguy

When Crimea was lost, an anti aircraft unit joined the rebels. The unit had BUK's and of course experienced operators. I'm hearing reports that the rebels claim they don't have BUK, but that is bull#. Just saying.

Problem is the one's obtained by the separatists from Ukraine were all inoperable, but they had one that was that wasn't from Ukraine.

a reply to: RogueWave

I am pointing out that the evidence that supposedly shows that they had a BUK, is BS.

Really, because they have admitted to having a BUK operational in the area that MH 17 was shot down.

While he said he could not be certain where the BUK system operating on rebel territory at the time of the air crash had come from, he said it may have come from Russia.

www.reuters.com...

That was from Alexander Khodakovsky commander of the Vostok Battalion.

He also had this to say...

"They knew that this BUK existed; that the BUK was heading for Snezhnoye," he said, referring to a village 10 km (six miles) west of the crash site. "They knew that it would be deployed there, and provoked the use of this BUK by starting an air strike on a target they didn’t need, that their planes hadn’t touched for a week."

www.reuters.com...

Not BS it's fact.

“The air defense units, which turned over to the Crimean government, are armed with more than 20 Buk missile systems and more than 30 S-300 PS missile systems,”sputniknews.com... t-spokesman-7040/