Another One That Didn't Bite The Dust

a reply to: thegimprider

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WATCH and even more important LISTEN to first minute ........

They recovered many parts of the planes at Fresh KIlls . Including pieces from the engines

Also found one of the engines on the street

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As for the passport - recovered items of similar size from the Space Shuttle COLUMBIA which broke up at 200,000 ft
going Mach 14

Those pieces were scattered over 3 states yet they recovered items from inside the cockpit

a reply to: thegimprider

And yet a terrorist passport is found nearby.

The passport was found after the impacts but before the collapse.
Just like the body parts you can find pictures of online.

Don't forget the passports and bodies were traveling 500 mph too.
Once the building was opened up by the plane, parts can travel through.

I don't know which impact the passport came from. But if I had to guess I would choose the second.
The second plane struck the corner and parts exited the adjacent side.

Jump to the 2:15 in the video and see the debris fly hundreds of feet out the other side.

a reply to: samkent

where on the plane would have this passport be located?....probably in a clothing pocket, or some type of luggage, and yet it survived the fire and heat, the impact, and magically opened up whatever it was contained in, and flew out of that, and then somehow flew passed all the other exploding debris, and left the plane fully intact....riiiiight, sure.

a reply to: samkent

Can see the rain of debris from South Tower upon impact of United 175

Watch starting at 900 minutes

One young woman was struck by piece of landing gear and severely injured - can see her on street

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a reply to: jimmyx

and yet it survived the fire and heat, the impact, and magically opened up whatever it was contained in

Since the passport was one of the hijackers, I assume he was in or near the cockpit.
Yes I assume his passport was on his person. Mine is when I fly.
How many feet behind was the fuel tanks ? About 75 feet.
The impact speed was about 806 feet per second.
So why is it a surprise to you that fire didn't get to it?
The passport was out the other side of the building just as the explosion was taking place.

a reply to: firerescue
No chain of evidence was kept, the jet engine and tires could have come from anywhere. Forensic evidence was not stored because it was obvious no court was ever going to be called. Almost the entire plane that blew up over Scotland was reassembled inside a large building yet 911 did not produce one single FAA investigation. They still refuse to show us one single video of plane hitting Pentagon, only those two partial shots that only show explosion.
Cover up after cover up that makes zero sense if what they claim is true but is damning when withheld. 4 black boxes and 4 flight recorders yet not one is available due to national security? Serial numbers are not available to prove which jet.
The more the official story offers the deeper the rabbit hole goes.

a reply to: thegimprider

Getting somewhat off topic here but reconstructions are only done to determine the cause of a crash and take measures to prevent it happening again if it's mechanical failure, human error etc when the cause is unclear. The cause of the 11/9/01 crashes was very clear, it was a deliberate act. Only the recorders from the 2 WTC planes were never recovered, the other 2 planes' recorders were found and analysed (Pentagon and Shanksville).

a reply to: thegimprider

Serial numbers are not available to prove which jet.

Yes they are.
Conspiracy believers just don't want to look beyond conspiracy websites.

a reply to: samkent
Are the serial numbers in the NIST report? I doubt very much.

a reply to: thegimprider

Why would the serial numbers be in the NIST report? Its an "engineering" report.

The planes are just a distraction.

The 9/11 story is massive. Stick to the bits replete with solid evidence before and after or you'll be lost for a thousand years.

Ignore the monkey mind, concentrate on the nature of the physical evidence on the Fresh Kills landfill.

a reply to: thegimprider

No chain of evidence was kept, the jet engine and tires could have come from anywhere.

So we have someone driving down the street throwing out jet engines and aircraft tires....?

In broad daylight.... In middle of Manhattan......

Right??

What chain of evidence is that - we have FBI agent photographing engine . Notice yellow crime scene tape

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a reply to: Kester

Totally different type of construction but things like that are lost on conspiracy believers.

Red Road Flats During Construction

The Towers were tube in tube so they had large open plan floors for office space,the floors could drop internally as you can see from above picture link the Red Road flats have MANY internal columns & floor beams. That's the trouble when people don't actually understand construction/building design!

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: hellobruce

We can nitpick over the exact meaning of all concrete disintegrated in mid-air.

We can also study the photographic and video evidence of the destruction of the buildings and subsequent grading and burial of the concrete on the Fresh Kills Landfill. Try 1:08 in this video for example.

Notice the investigators are told to look for evidence among the debris. If they were told to view the debris itself as evidence they would very soon realise the average particle size indicates extraordinary demolition.

Some of the photographs of the destructive process show the rows of concrete panels in the core blowing out. They are seen as striations in the dust cloud. There are some good examples of such images on this page. www.ussartf.org...

What concrete panels in the core the Towers were tube in tube steel frame the main concrete in the Towers was the 4.5 inch thick floor slabs which was flooring grade !

You may not know about this story

IN ONE of the most amazing stories of survival from the destruction of the World Trade Center, a window cleaner has been revealed as a hero who saved the lives of five other men using only his squeegee.

Jan Demczur was trapped in an express lift with the group in the north tower on his way to work when the first hijacked plane hit the building. The lift "swung from side to side like a pendulum'' he recalled yesterday, and then stopped.

After 10 minutes, they were told over the intercom that there had been an explosion. Shortly after, smoke began to seep through the doors.

Using the handle of Mr Demczur's squeegee several of the men forced open the doors, but discovered they were on the 50th floor, 500ft above the ground, where the lift did not stop. In front of them was a wall.

At this point, Mr Demczur, a Polish immigrant who once worked as a builder, had a brainwave.Realising the wall in front of the lift was only made of plasterboard, he began using the metal edge of his window washer as a crude knife, cutting into the surface.

Concrete core ?

a reply to: Pilgrum
Found and analyzed? Please show me this info. Oh wait, national security is threatened.

a reply to: firerescue
where is this evidence today?

a reply to: wmd_2008
The nature of forensic investigation is a process of nit picking. Please show us the evidence. Why not one single photo of a plane hitting pentagon? Because it was a missile, not a plane. Oh wait that does not gratify official story line.

a reply to: samkent
It is called evidence and is required under US law to prove guilt. How many terrorists have come to trial from 911 investigation? We have destroyed most of the evidence. We murdered Osama Bin Laudin without trial, evidence, or even official charges. What judge issued assassination/arrest warrant for Osama? On what international law did we kidnap him and kill him? If we operate outside of law how can we pretend to uphold law?

a reply to: thegimprider

On what international law did we kidnap him and kill him?

err... Osama Bin Laudin was shot dead on site.

How did you come to believe he was kidnaped?

a reply to: thegimprider

You'll find it all right here on ATS for the Shanksville & Pentagon 757's - not sure if the links to the raw data will still be alive though by now.

Was discussed at great length years ago in this very forum.