Steven Seagall Believes a Lot of Mass Shootings, and Other Gun Problems are Engineered.

By refusing to inform the public about the most important contributing causes of violence including child abuse bullying and hazing that leads to more violence later in life the government and mass media is making these shootings and other violent activity more likely. However this wouldn't be a bizarre conspiracy theory just ideological fanaticism and a thirst for power since the denial seems to help corporate interests one way or another. I went into some of the leading contributing cause of violence myself last year at Politicians increase crime; Grass roots efforts reduce crime; Politicians steal the credit. Addressing the root causes of violence can do an enormous amount to reduce it and research proves it although the media refuses to cover the good research.

Reasonable gun control is almost certainly part of it but not nearly the most important part even if it is the only thing the media discusses.

I'm not rushing into any far fetched conspiracy theory; but if there is one then the ones explored first will probably fall apart and if the real conspiracy is ever exposed it might be bigger and more far fetched than many people believe.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Steven Seagall ain't no hollywood sissy boy like Van Dam.
He's the real thing even more than Bruce Lee. A total bad ass.
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i mostly agree. he is the real deal. bruce lee was not.

but, ole steven is a giant punk bitch.
mr legit tough guy that likes to beat on the ladies he is with.

he was dating kelly lebrock for a bit when they filmed hard to kill. he tuned her up a couple time.

dude has like 7 kids with 4 different ladies. cheated on several of them. multiple sexual harassment 'allegations'...

dude is a total knob

Well that's some sick twisted up sh3t right there.
That's why I only have one hero I guess. And it ain't Steven Seagall.
Still hate to have to tangle with that bone manipulator.

Orchestrated/engineered my keister.

You take an extremely diverse population of 300some million people with near unfettered access to serious weaponry, mix in enough crazy (overmedicated, undermedicated and wrongly medicated) you don't need to orchestrate anything.

It's like going to a NASCAR race to orchestrate a drunken binge. Unnecessary.

We should do like Switzerland and give everyone one of those 147 blade army knives with tools and fence pullers and turducken pitters and stuff on them.

I wonder why it is so hard for people to accept that there is really something fundamentally wrong with American culture? Our society is like a petulant adolescent compared to other cultures around the world. We want everything now, we feel entitled to everything, our egos are over inflated and we do whatever we want despite the consequences.

We have all these benchmarks on what it means to be a successful person in American society. Get the girl, get the car, have the friends -- but real life isn't like TV and the movies. Reality TV isn't ... real. There isn't enough room on the summit of the mountain for everyone, and when that facade is shattered people snap.

We've fostered a culture of instant gratification and this weird belief that we are always right -- and everyone else is wrong. We hyper-inflate our self worth to overcompensate for the dehumanizing values we experience in American life. When the Jenga tower crashes down and the cold reality of life sets in, some people can't handle it.

These things don't need to be engineered at all ...

Milwaukee County, WI Sheriff David Clarke weighs in on the gun confiscation/gun control debate.

First he weighs in on some late cases of dunkin donuts employees making statements to police officers such as "we don't serve cops here", or another case in which an employee wrote in the cup of an officer "black lives matter". Then he weighs in on the subject that this thread is about.



Here is another video from 2013 of WI Sheriff David Clarke stating how "more" gun control laws could even lead to an American second revolution. He actually even states exactly what I wrote in another comment in this thread. If you push people, and keep pushing them, they will eventually push back. He states that the government asked him if he would confiscate firearms from Americans and he said he wouldn't, more so because he wouldn't want to be shot. Again, I am not advocating violence against anyone, just posting what he said.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I wonder why is it so hard for people to accept that there is really nothing fundamentally wrong with American culture?

Which part of American culture is so wrong? Japan has a culture that idolizes violent films, even violent anime cartoons, yet their crime rates are not that bad. Switzerland has more guns in the hands of their citizens than in the United States, yet they don't have the same crime rates with firearms, or near the same amount.

There are those in the United States, and outside the United States who have a sense of entitlement, that only their views are right, and their views should be imposed "in a civilized world". For example their anti-gun views.

These same people try to belittle those who disagree with them on topics like firearms, and gun control/gun confiscation. They would proclaim that the United States is not civilized, because only those countries which heavily restrict, and ban firearms are "the only civilized nations".

These people want the United States, and every other nation, to be exactly like x nation of their choice.

These people do not understand, and cannot comprehend, that the United States is not Europe, and it shouldn't try to emulate Europe, or any other nation.

These are the same sort of people who would make you think that only the government can protect you, and you don't have the right to protect yourself. That the government should treat every citizen like a child.

These are the same kind of people who would have agreed with authoritarian nations/governments such as NAZI Germany, China under communist rule, Cuba after the revolution, North Korea, etc, etc.

But in the minds of these people there is nothing wrong with doing exactly the same things that other authoritarian regimes have done in the past, and that it must be done "for the good of the planet, and the people".

Yeah, there is a lot of "self-entitlement" out there. Notice how these same people would belittle, and insult you for simply having a different political view.

Lots of "self-entitlement" going around.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Sure the US shouldn’t try to be like Europe, or anybody else.

Human advancement has often been based on seeing others do something that works for them…and adapts that methodology in some form

So when one sees things in other countries that work to enhance the peace and security of that country then it’s wise to look at it and possible adapt a similar way.

To dismiss something just because it’s not ”the American way” whatever that is; is not, imo a wise approach

originally posted by: yeahright
Orchestrated/engineered my keister.
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Yeah right... (see what I did there?)
As if the Obama administration didn't orchestrate Fast and Furious, among other similar programs, to them blame American gun laws for the firearms that drug cartels not only in Mexico have gotten their hands on, when it was the United States government with the blessings of the Mexican government that gave these firearms to these drug cartels...

originally posted by: Willtell
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Human advancement has often been based on seeing others do something that works for them…and adapts that methodology in some form

So when one sees things in other countries that work to enhance the peace and security of that country then it’s wise to look at it and possible adapt a similar way.

To dismiss something just because it’s not ”the American way” whatever that is; is not, imo a wise approach

Human advancement has more often come from countries that embrace individual freedoms, and allow each individual to express themselves as long as they don't harm others.

Why did China, and even the Soviet Union had to steal secrets from the United States, and other nations to advance militarily and in civilian life?

Because gun control "might" work in some country it doesn't mean it will work in another. Not to mention that this doesn't mean other countries should try to be like "x" country.

Human advancement comes from the free will of "individuals". When people are allowed to embrace their own thoughts and ideas, and are able to express themselves freely without a government imposing itself on them and telling them they shouldn't be like x or y, or shouldn't think in this or that manner.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Allowing weapons to be smuggled into Mexico for the purpose of tracing them to drug cartels very different than orchestrating mass murders here in the states, tho, no?

If anything that whole debacle demonstrates these clowns couldn't orchestrate a fart at a bean supper.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Has anyone else noticed the pro-2nd Amendment people getting more and more militant? Several years ago advocates for gun rights would claim personal protection from "bad guys" (robbers and rapists) as their main argument.

Today? Today protection from a tyrannical government is their main argument.

Yeah except they never do anything to stop any of the tyranny going on already. They will put up with the government doing anything except maybe take their precious guns. Even then it would be a very short fight..

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I'm not suggesting people be compelled to do what other countries do.

If x works for one country who has a problem I just said it MIGHT work here.

I didn't say WE ARE COMPELLED TO DO IT..

Freedom has nothing to do with what I'm suggesting...that's a straw man

For example, the American revolutionaries adapted much from the French and the French copied much from the America revolutionaries.

Similar experiences where one side can learn from the other

There's nothing wrong with learning from the experiences of others


It happens all the time

When scientific advances take place, you don’t think others adapt such advances?

Of course they do.

They don’t say

Well my country needs to discover this for itself

With that kind of thinking people would still be in the Stone Age

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I find that a lot of the gun crowd romanticizes the old west. It's really not all that long ago, and a large portion of the population lives in an area where cowboys and indians was a real thing. The Swiss haven't had that type of history for a long time, they don't have a recent violent history to idolize.

When I listen to a lot of the 2nd amendment people I think they long for the days where each person had Smith and Wesson revolver on their hip so they could shoot a horse thief, and a Spencer repeating rifle on their back to shoot those violent injuns coming to scalp them.

Then you throw in the near deification of the founding fathers who threw off the shackles of oppression and tyranny and rose up against their government in the name of freedom with nothing more than the muskets they owned, mixed with a healthy dose of political disagreement when the right lacks anything other than complete and total power and I see where they're coming from.

originally posted by: yeahright

Allowing weapons to be smuggled into Mexico for the purpose of tracing them to drug cartels very different than orchestrating mass murders here in the states, tho, no?

Tracing them? You obviously did not read that the weapons did not have tracking devices.
The only way to trace those guns back was AFTER they were used in crimes... And then the United States government, alongside the Mexican government claimed that the Mexican drug cartels got their hands on said firearms because of the lax gun laws in the United States. The Mexican government has gone so far as to demand the United States to give the names of all gun owners in states that share the border with Mexico, and that the United States should ban all assault rifles.

originally posted by: yeahright
If anything that whole debacle demonstrates these clowns couldn't orchestrate a fart at a bean supper.

No, that debacle shows that this administration is capable of doing anything, including arming criminals, and allowing criminals into the United States to impose their un-Constitutional laws. including their anti-gun laws.

It shows that this administration doesn't care if people in Mexico and the United States are murdered with those guns they gave to the Mexican drug cartels, and other criminals from other countries.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I wonder why it is so hard for people to accept that there is really something fundamentally wrong with American culture?

Probably the same reason why the pathological socialists have never given up. Just sayin.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Fast and Furious has nothing to do with whether or not the government is orchestrating mass murder here in the US in order to use it as an excuse to confiscate guns. What it demonstrates is the administration's inability to run any sort of orchestrated event without botching it horribly.

The government is capable of some improbably horrific and stupid acts. However,

I've seen nothing outside the ramblings of some paranoiac's feverish dreams to indicate the government is in any way responsible for engineering any of the mass shootings, and as I've already stated, they wouldn't need to be.

a reply to: yeahright

it shows they are very capable of doing so. Again, they armed Mexican drug cartels knowing full well, and being advised by officers who work in the field that this would not only increase murder rates in Mexico but could cause the deaths of Americans in U.S. soil. Yet they went ahead with arming the criminals from the Mexican drug cartels and others.

ATF officers have stated that such firearms were also allowed to be acquired to arm criminals in other nations as well. How much of a coincidence that both the United States, and the Mexican government, both who knew that it was the U.S. government under Obama that armed such criminals, and then they tried to blame the U.S. gun laws...

How many times have the Mexican drug cartel moved in and out of the U.S. soil with their firearms to smuggle their drugs?

And how much of a coincidence that under the Obama administration there seems to be more such gun related crimes.

Then there is www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: yeahright

Or.

FBI figures tweaked to show phony increase in mass shootings, report says

No matter what your cause is, having Steven Seagal's support is not helping.

a reply to: Aazadan

And the help of the French. America wouldn't have won independence without the massive support France gave us. We kind of skirt over that in American public school though...